Church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594432#Comment_594432

Thank you Lynden. That is very insightful. It is evident that this post has gone "south" so to speak. The purpose of this thread was to announce the work and continue building up a list of members in churches of Christ who use Logos and would offer to contribute to the work. It has created a large degree of confusion as you can see, since there are several movements that have sprung out of churches of Christ (some liberal, and some anti), yet continue to identify themselves with churches of Christ. A reverse method may be more successful as you suggest here. Thanks again.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594432#Comment_594432

If I understand Daniel correctly, he's attempting to create a library, to which a series of members can purchase and have a reasonable assurance what they're reading is consistent with their faith (or as Daniel says, the New Testament church).

Personally, I think that's great. I'd recommend that for many smaller groups, especially if they can fund a significant portion of the cost that Logos must pay. And I wouldn't be surprised if indeed Logos invited Daniel to do just that. It'd especially be great for groups that having preaching schools, etc. and even better with missionaries being trained individually overseas.

That said, I'd think to be successful, there'd need to be a clue in the name more than 'not liberals or antis'. Or 'not liberals or legalists'.

But ignoring the naming, Daniel's invitation I would hope to be great example for other groups as well.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594410#Comment_594410

I think Daniel is having the wrong attitude in trying to put this "Package" together and there might be some speculation on his part as to who is liberal and who is not.

It still begs the question; "Who should pass judgement on the churches of Christ?"

Should Daniel be the one who decides what should go in a Logos package?

Answer to question 1: Christ will judge the churches of Christ, as He has been appointed to be judge.

Answer to question 2: It comes across as if he wants to be the one who decides, but he's not clear on that either.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594421#Comment_594421

Elsewhere in the forums, I have supported a Restoration Movement package. I think anything narrower would be difficult to market.

One of our former members has spoken wisely! [;)]

Paul quoted poets and philosophers of his days, we, too, should do the same when it comes to having a "Restoration Base Package" that includes more than what a "narrow" group would have to offer. The church is divided as it is and by narrowing it down we'll divided it even more and that will leave us with only a few articles online and a few books here and there - I think we should include "Restoration" in a broader sense.

By the way, Daniel's references to Lynden are just references that contains information about the church of Christ that has already been elaborated. Those references are not our creeds, our only creed is the Bible - i.e. The Word of God! [Y]

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594422#Comment_594422

We NEED a great collection of Restoration Movement scholarship.

I welcome any and all College Press published works. The Bible Study Textbook series has been in Pre-Pub too long. I hope that is not an indication of a lack of interest.

I would also like to see the Gospel Advocate and Coffman commentaries.

Me too! Though to be honest, Gospel Advocate is a little outdated. The only good volumes that have some meat on them are the ones by Guy N. Woods and McGarvey; the others are way too simple for me to invest my money on the whole set - plus, I already own it in another software. Now Coffman has more scholarship and is a complete OT and NT set, I'd rather push for that one, though I haven't used them in a long time. I would also go for the church of Christ version of the Tyndale commentaries - i.e. The Living Word Commentary Series and the several Denton/Shertz Lectureship Books which would be (sort of) the equivalent to the Preaching the Word Series by Kent Hughes.

I commend Daniel's suggestion, but I think he should just go ahead and contact Logos so they can guide him better as to how to go about this whole process. I think there's plenty of material on the Restoration movement (broader sense) that could/would make for a great new line of Restoration Base Packages that would cover from Starter all the way through Portfolio. It's all a matter of pulling the right strings to make it a reality.

By the way, one thing I love about Coffman is how most of his work contain the famous "catch phrase" (if you would) ---- "As 'so and so' aptly said...." or "As 'so and so' stated..." and then he goes on to quote non church of Christ commentators.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594399#Comment_594399

And to Brother Daniel: The whole point of writing about Wayne Jackson, how he gets crucified by others for teaching head covering and the use of song books that are not written by members of the church of Christ was to get you to see that you cannot get too narrow in your approach to this new line of Restoration Base Package because that would pretty much leave you with nothing but a few resources that will not even make a Silver Base Package. We would barely get to Bronze if you narrow it down too much. We'd probably have to start with "Starter" then "Semi-Starter" and then "Bronze" LOL so you gotta be a little bit more open.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594441#Comment_594441

The purpose of this thread was to announce the work and continue building up a list of members in churches of Christ who use Logos and would offer to contribute to the work.

Please clarify. Are you a new product manager that works for Logos?

I am still doubtful excluding those groups closest to your own is productive.

Who decides what is acceptable for this package?

James C.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594408#Comment_594408

Mark and James, it's very obvious to me both of you are members of the churches of Christ. I have little use for liberalism or legalism, and I identify with those who love The Lord and His grace. I have been a Logos user since 1993, and I know Bob Pritchett. do you think we should form a group. I lean towards forming a Restoration Movement Group. I would appreciate hearing your opinions?

I'd be happy to be part of a "Restoration Movement" Group dedicated to trying to get a "Restoration Movement" base Package in Logos.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594441#Comment_594441

The purpose of this thread was to announce the work and continue building up a list of members in churches of Christ who use Logos and would offer to contribute to the work.

It sounds as if the best route for you to take is the PB route I've mentioned before. That is the only way to maintain as narrow a perspective as you appear to want as Logos for business reasons needs to address broader markets. Put another way, Logos' apparent thrust currently is (1) to expand the languages that it serves and (2) to address the major theological streams e.g. it is an Orthodox product manager not a Russian Orthodox Church in Exile product manager.

It is evident that this post has gone "south" so to speak.

Actually, I've been pleased at the degree to which the forums users have not spoken judgmentally/insultingly regarding the various subgroups - I unfortunately have a reputation of "police" because I don't allow slander or libel in my living room.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594442#Comment_594442

If I understand Daniel correctly, he's attempting to create a library, to which a series of members can purchase and have a reasonable assurance what they're reading is consistent with their faith (or as Daniel says, the New Testament church).

Personally, I think that's great. I'd recommend that for many smaller groups, especially if they can fund a significant portion of the cost that Logos must pay.

I may be wrong but I believe that this is what the long promised, still coming PB store was envisioned to provide. Because of Logos' generous policy of perpetually updating the tagging on resources, they have an overhead level that would be hard to negotiate if they took over such resources. I would love to see Logos become the hub for all church publications.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594461#Comment_594461

Hi Super (...)? I honestly don't feel comfortable quoting your user name. Nevertheless, you have asked this question several times, thus I would like to respond to you just quickly. 1st, judgment would be guided by a publications adherence to God's word. 2nd, judgment concerning the package resources will preferably be discerned collectively by the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software group.

A church of Christ Library for Logos Bible software should not be treated as if we are canonizing Scripture. This is a man made pool of resources that will in some degree be judged by the group's interest and likes. Some publications may not even wholly comply with New Testament doctrine, but given a high degree of leaning toward New Testament doctrine, it may qualify. I disagreed with some responses above such as Everett Ferguson, but some of his works are very helpful to the cause of New Testament teaching, and would likely be included as I have some of his works in my own library. Hope this helps, but if you are sincerely interested, please check back soon as I hope in the near future a collection of publications will be put together for the project and presented publicly.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594473#Comment_594473

Thanks for the insight MJ. I am not familiar with "PB." Would you mind explaining that further?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594491#Comment_594491

Thanks for the insight MJ. I am not familiar with "PB." Would you mind explaining that further?

Personal Book = PB

I have Brother Guy N. Woods commentary on James in Personal Book format in my Logos Library. I'm planning on taking the time to do his volume on John, 1st, 2nd Peter, 1st, 2nd, 3rd John and Jude. Also Bro. McGarvey's volume on Mark, since I already have his Acts volume in my Logos library. Personal Books would be a last resort alternative, in case Logos can't come to an agreement with "Church of Christ Publishers." Also, it would be cheaper doing them this way. Note: This is a screen shot when I had Logos 4, I now own Logos 5 along with some of the other new line of base packages.

DAL

Take a look:

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594491#Comment_594491

Oh my goodness, I didn't even think. 'Denise' might sound tramp-y. But maybe not. It's hard to say, when one is an anti.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594496#Comment_594496

I like the recently introduced idea of a denomination (or New Testament church) funding a package. Contents could be determined by the religious group (though once developed, rights are between Logos and the publisher). Could be sold by Logos to anyone of course.

But the cost might be sky high. It'd sort of be a 'denomination pre-pub' (or New Testament church pre-pub).

Conceptually Logos, similar to being a publisher for an author (self-publish), it would step into the shoes of many dieing small religious publishing houses attached to smaller religious groups.

OK, maybe not.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594489#Comment_594489

1st, judgment would be guided by a publications adherence to God's word

Talk about a non answer. Most views represented in Christianity believe themselves to adhere to God's Word. Some can do a better job of defending their answer than others. Here the answer appears to be "me and my buddies." BTW ST grew up as a Church of Christ missionary kid in Japan - he was asking an honest question with a genuine purpose. You might also want to ask him who the original "Super Tramp" is.

2nd, judgment concerning the package resources will preferably be discerned collectively by the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software group.

I would be very disappointed in Logos if they promoted this.approach. I see it as potentially eroding their credibility. If various denominations/sects/cults/theological stances which to form Faithlife Groups and/or offer PB files - more power to them.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594500#Comment_594500

1st, judgment would be guided by a publications adherence to God's word

Talk about a non answer. Most views represented in Christianity believe themselves to adhere to God's Word. Some can do a better job of defending their answer than others. Here the answer appears to be "me and my buddies." BTW ST grew up as a Church of Christ missionary kid in Japan - he was asking an honest question with a genuine purpose. You might also want to ask him who the original "Super Tramp" is.

2nd, judgment concerning the package resources will preferably be discerned collectively by the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software group.

I would be very disappointed in Logos if they promoted this.approach. I see it as potentially eroding their credibility. If various denominations/sects/cults/theological stances which to form Faithlife Groups and/or offer PB files - more power to them.

Don't be disappointed M.J. This is the type of inconsistent and somewhat arrogant attitude the younger generation of preachers get at some "schools of preaching." I can tell he either went to SW or to Elvis' town to study to become a preacher (you know where Elvis Presley was from, right?).

One of the things that disappointed me a lot when I went to preaching school was to see how the school of preaching from the SW and the one in Elvis' town always thought they were better than other preaching schools. Our students would be in one end and they (both SW and Elvis' town) would look at us and pretty much walk away. If you wanted to talk to some of their students, they would barely talk to you or pretty much ignore you. My thought to that kind of attitude was, "How disappointing is to see this type of attitude in our brotherhood when we're trying to promote the same goal as they." Soon I learned they were trained to have the "holier than thou" attitude and my school is better than yours. So my approach was to continue preaching the Word and let God judge each according to their deeds/attitudes.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594489#Comment_594489

Hope this helps, but if you are sincerely interested, please check back soon as I hope in the near future a collection of publications will be put together for the project and presented publicly

I am sincerely interested. I will pray for your speedy success.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594500#Comment_594500

You might also want to ask him who the original "Super Tramp" is.

Regardless of who the original "Supertramp" is - I think Daniel approached his "screen name" with a pre-conceived idea and why not "passing a little bit of judgement" hence violating John 7:24, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." - In short, he jumped the gun when he said he didn't feel comfortable quoting Supertramp's screen; mainly, the tramp part...LOL...that's why looking up words is helpful, because not all mean what we think they mean. Take a look:

1. Supertramp

Someone who wants to explore new places on foot, car, plane, etc.

Chris McCandless referred to himself as "Alex Supertramp" as a surname.

2. tramp verb

1 to walk, tread, or step especially heavily <heard hobnailed boots tramping across the square>
synonyms trample, tromp; compare PLOD 1
related words march; thud; footslog, stodge, trudge; stamp, stomp
2
synonyms HIKE 2, tromp
3
synonyms TRAMPLE 2, stamp, stomp, tromp

Also: a journey on foot or a walking trip <took a long tramp through the woods>

Merriam-Webster, I. (1996). Merriam-Webster’s collegiate thesaurus. Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster.

Now that you know, don't feel bad quoting the "tramp" part of his name [:P] [A] It's in the Bible too and it doesn't mean what you thought it meant [;)]

19 “Gad, a troop shall tramp upon him,
But he shall triumph at last.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Ge 49:19). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594516#Comment_594516

WoW, DAL,

I just thought it meant hobo. [:P]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594517#Comment_594517

WoW, DAL,

I just thought it meant hobo.

It might, it might [:P] - but as we emphasize in the church of Christ - Context, context, context! or else it becomes a pretext [;)]

All joking aside, I don't think Daniel meant any harm. I think he's just a newbie who's really excited with Logos that I totally agree with him that we should have a "Restoration Base Package" for those of the restoration persuasion - and I just made it an alliteration...hehehe

I'd love for it to be sooner than later, though, as that would be the best way to get resources cheaper.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594506#Comment_594506

(you know where Elvis Presley was from, right?).

I'm old enough to remember Elvis getting drafted[:D]

school of preaching

Dad put literally hundreds through Boise ... how's that for a hotbed of Church of Christ preachers? Since Puget Sound College of the Bible closed there aren't many local choices.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594521#Comment_594521

I don't think Daniel meant any harm. I think he's just a newbie who's really excited with Logos that I totally agree with him that we should have a "Restoration Base Package"

No harm done. I just hope he succeeds. I'm a little jaded and tend to throw cold water on everything. Sorry.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594530#Comment_594530

Most readers at this point I would strongly suggest to see original posting and purpose of thread. If you do not identify with churches of Christ (non-liberal and non-anti movements, as should have been originally stated) then this thread may have little of any value for you at this stage in our development. This would especially relate to those who may disagree with the approach of the work. As stated before, however, a collection of titles and authors will hopefully be presented soon for public endorsement, which would then have a much broader relevance to the public square.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594567#Comment_594567

Most readers at this point I would strongly suggest to see original posting and purpose of thread. If you do not identify with churches of Christ (non-liberal and non-anti movements, as should have been originally stated) then this thread may have little of any value for you at this stage in our development.

You seem to still not understand that your definition is meaningless to most people on the forums. To show you why, as I was growing up "anti" applied to those who did not use musical instruments, "liberal" applied to the Christian Churches in the ecumenical movement that resulted in the United Church of Christ. To my sister-in-law, being from a different part of the country, "anti" meant unwilling to engage in multi-congregation institutions and "liberal" meant Northern/Western. To others "anti/liberal or" was used for the open/closed communion issue or one/many communion cups or separate preacher/elders as preachers or separate Bible classes for children or .... It would make more sense to make a Faithlife group for Restorationists and allow people to drop out as they see your goals are incompatible with your goals ... or be observers until they see your goals are similar to their own. Making a push that publicly fails can make it much harder to convince Logos that this is a group that needs attention. Please listen to your allies who have worked with Logos on the forums for years and have seen how groups succeed in getting recognition as a target audience. Otherwise, please stick to the PB route.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594575#Comment_594575

Hi again, M.J.

Thank you again for the comment. I understand that this "description," I would better understand it may be broad and have a wide-range of meaning to some. I appreciate the concern. That is why those who do make request to join the group (again there is already a group established, readers please visit https://www.facebook.com/groups/1485846511646120/ to make request) these will receive further information as a type of screening to help better establish unity and prevent conflict. If I could edit my original post, I would probably change the description to say something a little more specific like churches of Christ (No non-institutional, instrumental, hand-clapping, boston, ecumenical movements, Christian church, or Disciple of Christ, etc.) Then again, this still might not cover every base, which is why further information will be shared upon request.

The good thing is, this post has already generated over a thousand views, and people are making request to join the group and help the effort. As Nehemiah said, God will prosper us. Readers are welcome to look again at our original post to see the purpose of this good work and join if this is something of interest.

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594605#Comment_594605

...I understand that this "description," I would better understand it may be broad and have a wide-range of meaning to some... If I could edit my original post, I would probably change the description to say something a little more specific...

Daniel,

Although, you can not change your original post you might consider creating a FaithLife account and group there, too. (see here https://faithlife.com/ ) . Faithlife is Logos.com's social network and it is simular to facebook, but your faithlife account would be directly connected with your Logos.com account and Logos software account, too. Which means that as you and others create documents and personal books inside of Logos Bible Software you can immediately share them with anyone in your group or the greater public. In a Faithlife social group you and others could help share the work of editing resources before they are finally released, too. Anyway, there you could create a new statment of purpose and one that could be editied if you or someone else wanted to clear up a misunderstanding.

And, please keep in mind that on the world-wide-web our words are never as clear as we might imagine them to be!

Modern English has a great many dialects and is a mother tongue spoken in many nations(not to mention a 2nd or addition language for many, many others around the globe).

Some words, terms, or jargon that have taken on one meaning within the society (fellowship / congergation) that we live in might have a very different range of meanings in another English speaking community or within another dialect. And, guess what? Churches of Christ exist in many different countries and those that fellowship with it may use dialects of English and languages that differ in many ways from those that you are used to.

One last thing though Daniel; I admire the humble spirit I sense in your words.

Grace and Peace,

Brian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594613#Comment_594613

Oh, I think Daniel knows the english language quite well. And he also knows the terms liberal in the presence of anti .... they're church of Christ 'fightin' terms. Kind of like motorcycle colors.

I think the part Daniel is clueless on, is the word 'forum'. I think he's under the impression this is an announcement board and that the OP can 'manage' the conversation. I think we all know starting a thread only stays on-course for a single entry.

But his comments bring back many, many hurtful memories. I'm not referring to the hurt resulting from abiding by the guidance from the New Testament. Nor the hurt on the receiving side. Rather the penchant for managing other human beings by virtue of ones opinion (i.e. 'belief') and demanding the divine's full agreement.

The churches of Christ are a rough and tough world. Whether it's representative of the early first century church, hard to say. 1st John is a good clue. And of course the early chapters of 1st Corinthians.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594605#Comment_594605

I would probably change the description to say something a little more specific like churches of Christ (No non-institutional, instrumental, hand-clapping, boston, ecumenical movements, Christian church, or Disciple of Christ, etc.) Then again, this still might not cover every base,

Do you actually paint that on your church signs?

I wonder if you screen baptismal candidates that well.

Matthew

Daniel,

I would be interested in seeing such a package be developed and would be very interested in purchasing it depending on the number and quality of the resources that would be included. Here is a starter list of resources I would like to have access to in Logos. It is by no means complete, but I wanted to at least put it out there to see if others have interest as well.

Apologetics Press Articles

Many of these articles are probably already available in the various publications put out by Apologetics Press that are also on this list.

http://apologeticspress.org/APTopicsList.aspx?pub=1

http://apologeticspress.org/PDF-books.aspx

Apologetics Press Books

While they do not do this for their entire catalog, many of their books are offered for free in PDF form.

http://www.bellviewcoc.com/lectures.php

Bellview Church of Christ Lectureship Books

These are available on CD in PDF form. I believe the electronic copies go back to 1975.

http://www.bellviewcoc.com/

Bob Winton Outlined Commentaries

Commentary set covering the Old and New Testaments. Unfortunately, I could not find direct contact information for Bob Winton, whom I **believe** self-publishes. The best I could do was find a link to a vendor. However, I **believe** the vendor's list of available volumes may not reflect all of Bob Winton's writings.

http://www.tuckersbooks.com/cobw.php

Christian Courier Articles

These are mostly (if not exclusively) written by Wayne Jackson and are available for free.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles

https://www.christiancourier.com/contact

Complete Library of Foy E. Wallace

This is actually the tile of a CD that includes the following works by Foy E. Wallace:

A Review of the New Versions

The Book of Revelation

Bulwarks of the Faith

The Christian and the Civil Government

Commentary on Romans, Galatians & Ephesians

Current Issues

Evaluation of the New International Version

God's Prophetic Word

The Gospel For Today

The Instrumental Music Question

Mission and Medium of the Holy Spirit

The Neal-Wallace Discussion

Number One Gospel Sermons

The Plain Truth About the Revised Version

The Story of the Fort Worth Norris-Wallace Debate

Sermon on the Mount and the Civil State

The Present Truth

King James Version of the Bible

A Large Photographic Section

Articles Appearing in Gospel Magazines: Gospel Advocate Editorials (1930-1934); Gospel Guardian (1935-1936); Bible Banner (1938-1949); Torch (1950-1951)

The copyright says Foy E. Wallace, Jr. Publications, but I have not found a specific website for the publisher (and am not even sure if they are still in business). The link provided below is simply for an online vendor.

http://www.ceibooks.com/reference-materials/church-history/biographies/complete-library-of-foy-e-wallace-cd-rom/

Discovery Magazine

A monthly Christian evidences magazine by Apologetics Press for kids. Issues are already available online for free in PDF format.

http://apologeticspress.org/DiscoveryArchiveIndex.aspx

http://www.fsop.net/Lectureships/booksandmedia.html

Florida School of Preaching Lectureship Books (South Florida Avenue Church of Christ)

These are available on CD in PDF form. I believe the electronic copies go back to 1994.

http://www.fsop.net/contact.html

Fortify Your Faith

Publisher affiliated with Christian Courier (see above). Books for sale on Christian Courier link here. The website appears to be undergoing maintenance right now, but I **believe** this is the publisher Logos would need to contact regarding obtaining the rights of any of the many books published by Wayne Jackson.

http://www.fortifyyourfaithbookstore.org/

Freed-Hardeman University Lectureship Books

These are available on CD in PDF form. I believe the electronic copies go back to 1953.

http://www.fhu.edu/lectureship/index.aspx

http://www.fhu.edu/lectureship/contactus.aspx

Focus Press Articles

I would suspect that many of these articles would be included in Think Magazine (see below) .

http://www.focuspress.org/Articles.html

Gospel Advocate

Publishes a wide range of material affiliated with the churches of Christ, including a complete New Testament commentary set. Some of their material appears to be available in digital format already.

http://stores.gospeladvocate.com/

James Burton Coffman Commentaries

Commentary set on covering both the Old and New Testaments. As far as I know, these are currently available electronically in two formats. They can be viewed online for free one chapter at a time or they can be purchased for use with Theophilos. Looks like Abilene Christian University Press is the publisher.

http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/

http://www.theophilos.com/products.htm

http://www.acu.edu/campusoffices/acupress/

Memphis School of Preaching Lectureship Books (Forest Hill Church of Christ)

These are available on CD in PDF form. I believe the electronic copies go back to 1982.

http://www.msop.org/lectures.php

http://www.msop.org/foresthill.php

National Christian Press

Publisher with the rights to various books by Thomas B. Warren.

http://www.nationalchristianpress.net/NCPcatalog.pdf

http://www.nationalchristianpress.net/about.html

Power Lectureship Books (Southaven Church of Christ)

These are available on CD in PDF form. I believe the electronic copies go back to 1989.

http://southavencoc.org/?page_id=173

Reason & Revelation

A monthly journal by Apologetics Press on Christian evidences for adults. Issues are already available online for free in PDF format.

http://apologeticspress.org/APArchiveIndex.aspx?pub=1

Http://sainpublications.com/catalog/

Sain Publications

Publisher affiliated with the churches of Christ. I do not readily see any resources already available in PDF format on their website, so I have simply provided the link to their catalog.

Schertz Church of Christ Lectureship Books

The Schertz lectureship was previously known as the Denton Lectureship. This is important to know because the Schertz/Denton lectureship books work together to form a set. Each year the lectureship has focused on one or more specific books of the Bible. When the books are taken together, they essentially form a commentary set. I know that there is a CD available with these books in electronic form, but I do not know how far back they go.

http://www.schertzcofc.org/lectureship/2013/lectureship2013.htm

http://www.schertzcofc.org/

Science Vs. Evolution (Vance Ferrell)

This is not affiliated with the churches of Christ as far as I know. It is just a resource that I have found to be helpful and that I included here because it is available online for free. It is actually an expanded version of another book by Vance Ferrell called The Evolution Cruncher (which is available for free in PDF from the same website).

http://evolutionfacts.com/sci-ev-PDF/sci_vs_ev_PDF.htm

Shenandoah Church of Christ Lectureship Books

These are available on CD in PDF form. I believe the electronic copies go back to 1987.

http://www.shenandoahcofc.org/lectureship.html

http://www.shenandoahcofc.org/index.html

Spiritual Sword Lectureship Books (Getwell Church of Christ)

From what I can tell, these books are not available to the public in PDF form. I would **assume** they still exist in digital form somewhere, but I cannot confirm this, as I have not spoken to anyone at the Getwell Church of Christ about it. This is the same congregation that puts out the Spiritual Sword quarterlies (see below), and those are available on CD as PDFs. If the Spiritual Sword lectureship books are also in a digital format somewhere, they could potentially go back to 1976.

http://www.getwellchurchofchrist.org/the-spiritual-sword-lectureship

http://www.getwellchurchofchrist.org/locations/church-building

Spiritual Sword Quarterlies

A 48-page quarterly that addresses a wide range of topics. While not free to download, the website indicates issues are available digitally on a CD.

http://www.getwellchurchofchrist.org/the-spiritual-sword/the-spiritual-sword-quarterlies-topics

http://www.getwellchurchofchrist.org/locations/church-building

Think Magazine

Christian magazine the covers a wide range of topics. Issues are available to download, but they are not free.

http://www.focuspress.org/

TLC Publishing

Publisher dedicated to “Preserving Restoration Movement Materials.” In looking over the website, I found “125+ Debates in PDF.” I do not see any information about who owns the rights to this work, but that sounds like something that would be a welcome addition to Logos.

http://tomchilders.net/store/debates-in-pdf/?menuid=9

http://tomchilders.net/

Truth for Today Commentary Series

Commentary set covering both the Old and New Testaments. Published by Resource Publications.

http://www.resourcepublications.net/index.php?page=series

Truth in Love Lectureship Books (East Hill Church of Christ)

Unlike most of the lectureship books on this list, these are available for free in PDF. The books go back to 1992.

http://www.easthillchurch.org/TIL_Books.html

Valor & Virtue

A Christian evidences magazine by Apologetics Press for teens. There only appear to be two issues so far, but both are available online for free.

http://apologeticspress.org/v2.aspx

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594624#Comment_594624

I think the argumentative and inconsistent spirit of some of the younger generation of preachers may not be a good thing to inject in the new Restoration Base Package.

Argumentative: In the sense of them dictating what goes in the package and not allowing others' opinions to count when selecting the "chosen" resources for that base package. Especially if it's not on par with their particular "school of preaching."

Inconsistent: In the sense that a particular author can be an "Anti-" member of the church of Christ yet he's allowed in the package because they agree with him in most of the things he says (e.g. Homer Hailey [Anti]).

Hence, a wise recommendation would be to start all over and based the package on the "Restoration Movement" as a whole; not as a "Church of Christ Library" since, based on what the OP has already found out by participating in the forums, he would have to "break down" what "Church of Christ Library" actually means every time someone wants to know what the package is all about. Is it the Church of Christ estimated 30 AD or the one estimated 33 AD? Is it the one that believes in head covering or the one that doesn't or does it make a difference? Is it the one that allows skits during VBS or is it the one that rejects them because no drama/skits need to be part of any church service? Is it the church of Christ that promotes "Bible Search/Bowl" where they promote competition among different youth groups from different churches or is it the one that doesn't do that? (promoting competition in any form or shape doesn't fly with the conservative groups) Is it the one that doesn't approve selling stuff in a garage sale to raise money for a church activity or is it the one that approves selling lectureship books and their respective DVD's or CD's to raise money to pay for the lectureship?

The point? Those are petty things that shouldn't cause division, yet for some reason if you were taught that way in X school of preaching, then it doesn't fly and you wanna go around "debating" people to "prove your point." I know a lot of young graduates that they make it their job to go to other congregations and if they spot or smell something that is not in agreement with what they believe, then they go around trying to force people to change or they'll get "disfellowshipped." My question is: What happened to the "Autonomy" concept found in Scriptures? The worse part is that type of attitude comes from preachers who are just fresh off of preaching school and haven't even been in the ministry that long and they already want to go around debating and changing things for others. Maybe a key element that needs to be taught in all schools of preaching should be "Humility." Paul says, "Knowledge puffs up...but love edifies." (1 Cor. 8:1)...And If anyone supposes that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know..."(1 Cor. 8:2).

My hope and prayer is for a Restoration Base Package to come along soon, but not under the terms suggested here...e.g. "Ferguson doesn't fly, but Jack Cottrell does, since in a sense he believes some of the things we believe" and that type of thing. That approach will only cause more disagreements and we don't need any more of those in the church.

Blessings!

DAL

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594676#Comment_594676

As a supplement to what [b]DAL[/b] wrote, I'd like to point out that if the Verbum packages contained only works written by Catholics or Eastern Orthodox, they would be noticeably smaller... and probably less useful to most Catholic and Eastern Orthodox owners of those packages.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594676#Comment_594676

OK, DAL. You're getting seriously close to loosing your Denise approval rating. I've no problem with a lack of humility since I've never actually observed humility (I wasn't born in early 1st century Galilee so as to observe).

But don't mess with Homer Hailey. He lost his anti credentials in Las Cruces NM, and was left with great Bible commentaries. Plus he's from Tucson Arizona, no less! You can't come from Tuscon and not be great.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594680#Comment_594680

You can't come from Tuscon and not be great.

Yes, Tuscon is a great place to be from >>>> Far Away From. [:P]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594680#Comment_594680

OK, DAL. You're getting seriously close to loosing your Denise approval rating. I've no problem with a lack of humility since I've never actually observed humility (wasn't born in 1st century Galilee).

But don't mess with Homer Hailey. He lost his anti credentials in Las Cruces NM, and was left with great Bible commentaries. From Tucson Arizona, no less! You can't come from Tuscon and not be great.

LOL Chill Denise! He's actually my favorite commentator. I got all his commentaries, I just wish I had them in Logos since print books are not my cup of tea anymore. I still read his Revelation commentary, though I've changed my view and no longer go for the view he takes. One of my mentors met Homer Hailey and said he was a true gentleman and in GREAT SHAPE too. I think he said being skinny but muscular at the same time. Some of his "lectures" are found in the "Florida College Annual Lectureship" available in Logos -- but that probably won't fly as acceptable in the new "Church of Christ Library."

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594679#Comment_594679

The original poster seems to contemplate a package that would be curated by the group he is forming, but published by Logos. That model raises a host of practical questions. Will it be limited to publications that Logos already offers? If not, who will obtain the necessary permissions from copyright holders? There are some potential advantages: this group might have the connections to obtain permissions on better terms than Logos might otherwise obtain, and Logos would not take any potential heat for what is (or is not) included. A simpler model, though, would be for this group to act simply as a focus group or advisory committee to suggest works to include in a potential product that Logos would develop. In that case, Logos will have to decide whether the group represents a large enough potential customer base to be worth the effort of developing the product.

I do believe there would be a significant amount of interest in package on Restoration Movement history. That would interest users from all branches of the Movement, and potentially others who might also be interested in that area of church history. As has been noted, Logos already has a few works by authors with roots in the churches of Christ and other branches of the Restoration Movement. I for one would like to see them add more, which seems like a necessary first step before a Restoration Movement base package would be practical. If Logos wanted to go in that direction, my personal advice would be to use it as an opportunity to build closer ties with some of the universities affiliated with the churches of Christ and Christian churches by working with them to develop a base package tailored for use by their students. That would effectively guarantee them a minimum user base, and would over time increase the use of Logos by preachers in those groups.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594686#Comment_594686

build closer ties with some of the universities affiliated with the churches of Christ and Christian churches

Who decides which universities are Worthy?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594686#Comment_594686

OK, DAL. My apologies; I lost my head. I can clearly remember the banging of the heavy weights in the late afternoon. He exercised outside in his backyard.

However, Tucson and southeast IS just short of heaven. And ... the home of my favorite Supreme Courst justice-ess.

And Tom's advice is good. It'd be difficult as MJ and Super .... notes, to tailor right down to the jot/tiddle in the restoration world.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594688#Comment_594688

build closer ties with some of the universities affiliated with the churches of Christ and Christian churches
Who decides which universities are Worthy?

Paul, that's not where I was going, and apologize if it was anything I said that left you with that impression. I simply meant that Logos could choose several that would be willing to partner with them on a project like this. You wouldn't want all of the schools - there are too many for the partnership to be workable - and some of them may simply not be interested. As a practical matter it would probably make sense to initially approach a couple of the larger schools affiliated with each of the major branches of the movement. I suspect that if those schools were willing to work on the project, the consensus package coming out of the process would be attractive to people across the movement.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594686#Comment_594686

use it as an opportunity to build closer ties with some of the universities affiliated with the churches of Christ and Christian churches by working with them to develop a base package tailored for use by their students.

I think this is a very good starting point. Does anyone know what software is promoted in the Theology schools/departments of Abilene, Harding, Pepperdine ... ? I list these because (a) I know people who went there and (b) they'd also be a market for Noet.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594692#Comment_594692

Paul, that's not where I was going, and apologize if it was anything I said that left you with that impression.

I fear it is you who misunderstood "Where I was going" I agree that consulting universities would be a good starting point. The issue here is Which universities are allowed. The OP suggests that all contributors or resources would be JUDGED by his Mutual Admiration Society. judgment concerning the package resources will preferably be discerned collectively by the church of Christ Library for Logos Bible Software group.If this were allowed to happen, the resulting package would be so focused, That it might be better for folks of that persuasion to pick their resources individually ... Or start a software company they could totally control.
To demand that the Church of Christ Package only include resources aligned with his Theology, seems dictatorial to me.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594735#Comment_594735

Paul, that's not where I was going, and apologize if it was anything I said that left you with that impression.
I fear it is you who misunderstood "Where I was going" I agree that consulting universities would be a good starting point. The issue here is Which universities are allowed. The OP suggests that all contributors or resources would be JUDGED by his Mutual Admiration Society.

If your issue is with the original poster, it might make for a clearer discussion if you'd respond directly to his comments. My specific suggestion was:

As a practical matter it would probably make sense to initially approach a couple of the larger schools affiliated with each of the major branches of the movement. I suspect that if those schools were willing to work on the project, the consensus package coming out of the process would be attractive to people across the movement.

Is there something about my suggesting that approach that troubles you? It certainly wasn't intended to be divisive or dismissive of anyone else's beliefs or heritage.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594719#Comment_594719

Does anyone know what software is promoted in the Theology schools/departments of Abilene, Harding, Pepperdine ... ? I list these because (a) I know people who went there and (b) they'd also be a market for Noet.

I don't know which software they might have (if any), but I know WordSearch is one where the Gospel Advocate Commentaries are being sold. They also used to have (maybe still do) Burton James Coffman OT & NT commentaries on a platform called Theophilus; which is the same platform for the Denton Lectureship books and the Living Word Commentary Series. For what is worth, Theophilus was a very bad, dysfunctional and not user friendly software; especially when it came to adding resources that used the same platform! Total headache!

Oh and when you called Abeline for "tech support" it seemed nobody knew what to do to unlock additional products. So I gave up on the software, even though I still have the CD's. If I want to check Coffman I go to the internet. If I want to check Gospel Advocate I just do it with the reader app WS has available for phones, since I really don't want to install the CD in my laptop.

Maybe putting this together will not be as easy as we would like for it to be. [:(]

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594719#Comment_594719

I think this is a very good starting point. Does anyone know what software is promoted in the Theology schools/departments of Abilene, Harding, Pepperdine ... ? I list these because (a) I know people who went there and (b) they'd also be a market for Noet.

I don't see any of them on the Logos page that lists partner schools.

https://www.logos.com/academic/whylogos?utm_source=logostalk&utm_medium=blog&utm_content=textlink&utm_campaign=academics

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594751#Comment_594751

I don't see any of them on the Logos page that lists partner schools.

I see several Restoration Movement schools:

Lincoln Christian University
Manhattan Christian College
Johnson Bible College
Dallas Christian College
Ozark Christian College
Central Christian College of the Bible

These would be Independent Christian/Churches of Christ (instrumental) of the Stone-Campbell heritage.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594766#Comment_594766

I think Bear Valley Bible Institute in Denver, Colorado gets Logos for their students and they are non-instrumental. I'm not sure if MSOP does the same, I think they just get Mac laptops.

DAL

Alex Vaughn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594770#Comment_594770

Just chiming in here, I would very much like a Restoration Movement base package. Also, I agree that they should consult with universities and presses within the movement to determine, which books to include and at what level (Starter, Bronze, Silver, Gold). They could also do some number crunching to find out how many Logos users have identified themselves as Church of Christ/Disciples of Christ (and I think I'm missing a group in here), and what books we have in our libraries. I do agree also that there are a shortage of Restoration Movement books available in the Logos collection. Actually, I wish that they were faster in getting books into the Logos format once they are published (Although, I understand that it is a tedious process.)

I believe the problem involves a combination of issues. (1) Logos cannot negotiate (and to determine what one works in/out) with one large authority or even publishing house for everything in the Restoration Movement. (2) Most(?) universities part of the Restoration movement are not partner schools, which would automatically create a larger base of users within the movement. (3) The aforementioned fragmented nature of the movement: The Churches of Christ, the Disciples of Christ, and the Int'l Churches of Christ. Some of them at least also have further divisions within those sects (sad but true). Perhaps getting the top publishing houses (Gospel Advocate in particular), and a couple of the top universities in the movement (as mentioned by Tom W.) on board would help this. Perhaps they could also give/sell some sort of package to their students as well (Dallas Theological Seminary and Knox Theological Seminary).

P.S. I came across this listing of Universities/Seminaries via the Association of Theological Schools (They are responsible for accrediting various theology programs.). You can search for seminaries and universities by denomination there. See: http://www.ats.edu/member-schools/denominational-search

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/594804#Comment_594804

For any lazy ones like me: http://www.ats.edu/member-schools/denominational-search

I assume it's primarily structured toward formal theology schools. Interesting list.