Publisher Relations?

What is the relationship with Logos and the publishers of the books in the Logos store? How much of the purchase price do publishers receive?

I'm a little frustrated that there are hardly ever new titles from some publishers. IMO, if Logos wants to grow, it needs to focus on getting new (read: trendy) books as Logos resources on their mass market release.

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Doug Hanna

Another question I had: What happens behind the scenes to publish new Logos resources?

Does the publisher approach Logos, or does Logos approach the publisher?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596393#Comment_596393

Does the publisher approach Logos, or does Logos approach the publisher?

In some cases users put them in contact. Both your options occur but I don't know the frequency statistics.

MJ. Smith

What is the relationship with Logos and the publishers of the books in the Logos store? How much of the purchase price do publishers receive?

A negotiated contract which varies. We see the variation in terms of where a product can be sold, if it can be discounted, if it appears in base packages ...

Matthew C Jones

if Logos wants to grow, it needs to focus on getting new (read: trendy) books as Logos resources on their mass market release.

Are you aware of Vyrso.com? That is where the mass market books show up.

Also, Logos.com is adding 10,000 books this year. I think they are growing fast enough.

Dan Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596421#Comment_596421

I do not know the specifics of any contract, but certain publishers are definitely more keen to get their works in Logos than others (that being said a significant number of people must be interested in an item before Logos pursues it via pre-pub offering. I good example is the New Beacon Bible Commentary, once or twice a year the new volumes in this series are offered up in mini upgrades, even though we could have got them 4-5 months earlier if there had been a large amount of interest, they are now under contract and will be released as they make their way through Logos processing queue. Theses are 2013 releases that entered the Logos prePub system last fall, they came under contract this spring, or late winter. This relative speed is because Beacon wants their resources in Logos and there is a demand for them. Many publishers books are showing up in prePub very quickly but Logos generally does not placed unpublished things up, nor does Logos generally place things up before a publisher has indicated a willingness to allow Logos to publish a work. It would be fine for Logos to offer up on PrePub New Jerome Biblical Commentary, but rather pointless since while we know the interest in Logos community is high, Prentice Hall has consistently rebuffed all Logos attempts to add it.

New Beacon Bible Commentary Upgrade 3 Collection (3 vols.)

-Dan

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596421#Comment_596421

Are you aware of Vyrso.com? That is where the mass market books show up.

Vyrso has 16,242 eBooks, which can be sorted by newest => https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=&start=&sort=newest&pageSize=15

Thankful for Logos offering 747 Vyrso eBooks for $ 0.00 since Thanksgiving 2011.

Keep Smiling [:)]

JT (alabama24)

IMO, if Logos wants to grow, it needs to focus on getting new (read: trendy) books as Logos resources on their mass market release.

Two thoughts:

Name them
have you checked Vyrso first?

Rosie Perera

How much of the purchase price do publishers receive?

This would be proprietary information that Logos would never divulge. It varies anyway, from publisher to publisher. Logos gets less of a cut on the Vyrso books. I understand that Logos drives a hard bargain on other books, though. Some publishers don't like it and pull away. (E.g., Moody.)

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596478#Comment_596478

For the curious:

https://www.millcitypress.net/how-to-price-your-ebook

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bj-gallagher/book-publishing_b_1394159.html

The Huffinton article is interesting on the non-fiction average sales per year and lifetime. Of course, it's looking across the board; not a boutique market such as Logos serves.

Unix

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596480#Comment_596480

I calculated that it would cost me $4938 to start a printed matter POD. Would need to hope that I could get it sold by Accordance or Logos too, separately from the hardback. I wonder if millcitypress are hardcover books - that doesn't seem to be specified? Also it's a little unclear how much I would need to pay in advance to print ½ a pallet to be sold.

For the curious:
https://www.millcitypress.net/how-to-price-your-ebook

"Pricing A Non-Fiction Book

Book pricing should be in line with similar books in the market. It´s reasonable to charge a slightly higher price for books that contain a fair amount of research, statistics, endnotes, charts, graphs, color interior, and/or other details that make it a fairly extensive and unique book. You should also consider the finished trim size (e.g., 6" x 9", 5-1/2" x 8-1/2", etc.) and page count of your book."

I'm not fully grasping how much it is, but perhaps 28,000 words would be a suitable length - not too long as to put potential customers off or be an unrealistic goal to write over the next 12 years, nor too expensive to "publish" at Accordance or Logos (because I suppose I would have to "bribe" them to get them to input it - if such a way would even be possible).

75 footnotes. It seems to me that footnote formatting costs rather little extra but keep in mind: they DO add to total word count of book which add Editing cost and therefore more than the "total" $65 perceived cost.

BASIC

$1697

Website Order Fulfilment		$499
eBook Creation and Distribution		$799

Footnotes / Endnotes
Number of footnotes in your book: 75
eBook: More than 10 footnotes, an additional $1/footnote			$65.00

[Above it says "eBook" - so it's a bit unclear, is it an eBook I would be getting, printed matter, or both - I doubt the latter? Wait - I now noticed I checked eBook Creation and Distribution above - any advice on if that would be a great idea?]

Comprehensive Editing

1 round copy edit, 1 round developmental editing, $0.035/word

$980.00

	Online Media Exposure Program	$599
	Customized Facebook® Fan Page	$299

I'm not a Facebook user and don't ever want to create a general one.

Other software platforms than Accordance and Logos don't interest me particularly much although they may be the reality. B&N is not that appealing because of the trouble I had ordering with a Swedish address last Summer (when traveling to Germany), (and I eventually order the item from Logos a few days ago this Summer).

Anyone care to straighten this out - what all these services @ millcitypress.net mean and what You get - paperback, hardcover or just ebook? Also would need to have a young, reliable friend over in the States for this (preferably who writes UK-English as that's the lingua in which I would author).

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596508#Comment_596508

Anyone care to straighten this out?

Logos does not support self-publishing although that will be a function of the PB store when it is available. However, Logos does have a publishing arm willing to read proposals and manuscripts.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/596517#Comment_596517

that will be a function of the PB store when it is available.

"when" / if it ever becomes available. I don't think they have figured out yet how to handle competing public domain texts.

I would welcome a PB store. I imagine we would see a plethora of Restoration Movement books.