Yea! Logosians can say 'Have you checked Jastrow?'

Happy camper me. Granted 'our' Mishnah/Talmud's in 'english'. But Jastrow's actually interesting just thumbing through.

I don't know if anyone else has spent any time seeing how 'Jastrow' can plug into 'Logos'. Things I've noticed:

- Brown-Driver-Briggs has a specific aramaic-Bible section. So if you're right-clicking an aramaic word and BDB pops up, likely there's a usage in Ezra, Daniel, etc.

- Qumran glosses also shows up, indicating there's usage in the sectarians (DSS)

- And surprisingly TWOT shows up, more so than HALOT-A. I already like the TWOT as a quick lookup, since it succinctly shows you the equiv hebrew with a reference.

Clearly I'm going have to figure out how to prioritize the aramaic lexicons. I'm only mentioning this in the absence of an aramaic not-Bible Word Study section. Hint, hint. (After the latin not-Bible-Word-Study).

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Everett Doonand

Hey Denise, how could this indexes Qumran glosses? Could you make a picture with support info of this? Unfortunately I skipped this as a PB.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597505#Comment_597505

Hi Everett ... welcome to the forums!

I'm not sure what you're asking, so if I screw up, my apologies.

Below, I'm in SESB Daniel 2:13, I right-clicked on 'wise' (in aramaic). That brought up the right-click menu showing what resources are available. The second down is the Sectarian Glosses (which means the word is somewhere in one of the Dead Sea Scrolls / sectarian).

What I was confusedly trying to say above, was that Logos doesn't have a Bible Word Study for aramaic. But one can get a quick feel for potential locations for usage, by careful prioritizing of the Logos aramaic lexicons and glosses (which include papyri, inscriptions, Targums, scrolls, etc).

OT (and completely unrelated) but this is a good example where the BSL and Bible Facts are battling to the death. And only Matthew might know the real answer. (I doubt MJ will pass this way, so this comment should be safe.)

Everett Doonand

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597532#Comment_597532

Thanks for welcoming me. I asked you to take a pic of Dictionary support info (under "i" up right button, those with LLS:ABCDEF and time stamp). Usually there you see what indexes a specific resource.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597534#Comment_597534

Wow. Everett, missed that. Plus I'm still confused! Here's the info on the sectarian glosses. In the resource, it specifies whether the headword is hebrew or aramaic.

This is the Sectarian glosses above. But your second question seems to speak to Jastrow? It's only indexed by aramaic headwords.

Everett Doonand

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597538#Comment_597538

I see. Anyway could you take a pic of Jastrow's copyright, indexes, search fields and support info? Thanks.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597543#Comment_597543

See above; I was inserting it while you were requesting it. The support info appears to be a bit screwy.

Everett Doonand

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597544#Comment_597544

I see it now. Indeed, unfortunately only Aramaic is indexed although this treats Hebrew too. Don't understand why. But at least it has Large text and other particular searches...

Everett Doonand

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597548#Comment_597548

Denise would you be so kind and post a photo with Search Fields and Support Info for Glosses for the Qumran Sectarian Manuscripts? I see in your pic above only Indexes.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598098#Comment_598098

Hmmm ... the 'rest' of the story!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598102#Comment_598102

Everett ... do you mind clueing me in on 'where you're going'. I still haven't figured out how I want to prioritize yet. Your thinking might be helpful.

Everett Doonand

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598105#Comment_598105

Thanks for your quick input, Denise. In fact I like your prioritize, but I still don't get your results from your pic with Glossary running a right click in Dan 2 (so I thought I had another resource or it was another one named the same). I'm starting to feel sorry for not bought Jastrow when was in CP. [:'(]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598112#Comment_598112

Hope I'm not saying what you already know, but the aramaic section of Dan 2 starts in v4. Otherwise the Sectarian Glosses should show up if they're prioritized above the other choices.

Below is my new prioritizing (recognizing there's overlap between hebrew and aramaic lexicons). I usually start off the bidding with a quick summary (DBL) and then put the least likely first followed by the most likely, accounting for which ones have hebrew or aramaic only, vs both.

Everett Doonand

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598119#Comment_598119

Nice, but HAL only third? I prefer it over others myself. TLOT is not as much exhaustive as HAL, wonder why second? Theological reasons?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598122#Comment_598122

No ... that's one of the 'tricks and tips' to prioritizing (again, I hope I'm not saying the obvious).

Unless you absolutely want a single answer (e.g. HALOT), you put your less likely lexicons first. The software scans from the first down until it gets a hit.

So in my prioritizing, TLOT is very selective, and normally won't 'catch the ball' ... and so HALOT stands behind it to catch the hit (it having most words). That way, for a specialized word, TLOT will display, but otherwise he leaves room for other lexicons prioritized below him.

The issue here, was to drop TWOT below some aramaics, since TWOT has both hebrew and aramaic, and also more coverage than the aramaic lexicons. So he had to stand behind them, to see if they would 'catch the ball'

Gesenius has a bad habit of always trying to catch the ball, before anyone else gets a chance, so he went last.

If LOGOS had an analytic hebrew or aramaic lexicons, they'd always go last (since they catch almost everything, depending on the resource base).

So in the greek (LXX or NT), the analytic lexicons are prioritized last.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/597532#Comment_597532

What I was confusedly trying to say above, was that Logos doesn't have a Bible Word Study for aramaic.

Using 5.2a SR-5, right clicked on wise in Daniel 2:13 in ESV, clicked lemma, then My Bible Word Study that has Aramaic entries

Also used right click on wise to open lexicon entries with Aramaic headwords for lemma. Likewise clicked sense then opened Bible Sense Lexicon.

Opened SESB 2.0 resource (non-deprecated) and found right click menu has lemma choices, including Bible Word Study

Keep Smiling [:)]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/598342#Comment_598342

Maybe I should clarify yet again ... the BWS is limited to the Bible's aramaic (as the tool title suggests). If you right-click in Jastrow, no happiness (even for aramaic that's in the Bible from what I can see). And so my non-Bible Word Study reference earlier in the thread.

I haven't tried/found a BWS aramaic that shows up in the inscriptions, etc. That'd be neat.