Acer Aspire Switch 10 is garbage!
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/129206-acer-aspire-switch-10-review
This review above is very generous. I went into Best Buy to look at this thing...and in a couple of words...
It's garbage.
The track pad is off kilter (too far to the left) and the screen bezel is too indented all the way around for seemingly no apparent reason.
Worse, it tips over easily and the magnetic keyboard connection to screen some have lauded is laugh inducing. It often misses entirely.
If they gave me one of these at the door for free on my way out, I would have said "no thanks".
Buyer beware - avoid!
Logos will not like this cheap Windows Tablet knockoff. What a disappointment!
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Why are you wasting forum space with your rant? It has no business here.
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I don't see it as a rant. Rather a celebration. He found something he considers to be worse that the Surface Pro.
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Paul C said:
I don't see it as a rant. Rather a celebration. He found something he considers to be worse that the Surface Pro.
You wouldn't go post about Logos Bible software on Tom's Hardware website, would you?
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Paul C said:
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I don't see it as a rant. Rather a celebration. He found something he considers to be worse that the Surface Pro.
[:D] I was thinking the same thing.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Joseph Turner said:Paul C said:
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I don't see it as a rant. Rather a celebration. He found something he considers to be worse that the Surface Pro.
I was thinking the same thing.So the Surface Pro is not good, is that what y'all are saying?
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Who cares?
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Josh bought one of the original Surface Pros. They were famous for overheating and terrible battery life. So hot in fact, they actually melted some components. >>>>To appear to be commenting on Logos, The tablet runs too hot to use for extended searching.DAL said:So the Surface Pro is not good, is that what y'all are saying?
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Again, Who cares?
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I care!
While it might have been helpful for Josh to explain in more details how Logos runs on the Acer Aspire, his post is relevant to this forum since many of us plan or already use Windows tablets for run Logos.
Logos is software but it runs on hardware.
I also believe that even if what Josh wrote was totally out of place, there is a way to communicate it that avoids being rude (rudeness usually leads to the opposite of the desired effect).
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Alain Maashe said:
Logos is software but it runs on hardware.
Logos runs great on the iPad 2 with 64GB.
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Super.Tramp said:
Logos runs great on the iPad 2 with 64GB.
Great to know, maybe you could help me by showing me how to perform complex morphological searches or alternatively simply run the exegetical guide offline. Your iPad 2 with 64GB must be something else since my iPad 3 with 32 GB cannot do that while my Surface Pro 2 does it effortlessly online or offline.
There is something about not bring a mobile app to a full-fledged software fight...
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Super.Tramp said:
Why are you wasting forum space with your rant? It has no business here.
Oh, Now it's not a waste of time since you can bring your hardware of choice into the discussion?Super.Tramp said:Logos runs great on the iPad 2 with 64GB.
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Alain Maashe said:
There is something about not bring a mobile app to a full-fledged software fight...
My Acer Aspire laptop can run Logos 5 just fine, thank you.
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Paul C said:
Oh, Now it's not a waste of time since you can bring your hardware of choice into the discussion?
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What's the matter? Can't stand someone else being as irrelevant as you?
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I lean towards Super Tramp's view that we've had too much hardware discussion unrelated to Logos in the forums recently. But I have a somewhat different motivation - I'm tired of reading complaints, rants, unfounded fears, financial concerns . . . clutter in the forums on topics not even remotely related to Logos. If I want to read these topics I know what media outlets and websites will give me a heavy dose. It's enough to make a girl want to paraphrase Sgt. Joe Friday, "Just the facts, sir, the relevant facts"
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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These types of tablets with laptop bases have all of their "guts" in the tablet; that's why they tip over. It's one of the trade-offs to using this form factor.
I wouldn't expect the trackpad on a computer in this price range to be good. If you want a good trackpad that works as it should, buy a Macbook Air or Pro.
I also take demo units with a grain of salt. Demo units get abused because so many people handle them.
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Oh don't be so touchy everyone, don't you know every Friday night the forums get a little crazy?Paul C said:If you truly see his point of view, I would expect your next post to be promoting your particular mobile favorite.
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Super.Tramp said:
Oh don't be so touchy everyone, don't you know every Friday night the forums get a little crazy?Paul C said:If you truly see his point of view, I would expect your next post to be promoting your particular mobile favorite.
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Plus, it's Friday 13th...add to that the full moon we have. Well, it was at its greatest peak around 12:05am earlier today and now you can't even see it because of the clouds and the rain; at least here in South Florida.
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DAL said:
Plus, it's Friday 13th...add to that the full moon we have.
And it is my 33rd wedding anniversary. (fer real!)
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Paul C said:
If you truly see his point of view, I would expect your next post to be promoting your particular mobile favorite.MJ. Smith said:I lean towards Super Tramp's view
Them thar are barking words
But at least it's not a long exposition on hardware. Mind you I don't mind simple "will this run L5" or would x or y have the most effect on Logos performance. But, to illustrate in flaw in your logic I won't tell you what mobile device(s) I use.[:P]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Super.Tramp said:
And it is my 33rd wedding anniversary. (fer real!)
Congratulations - I hope you had the celebration you wanted.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Paul C said:
The purists will tell you that a South Florida weather report has no place on the forum.
Only weather that interferes with the cloud, generates a request for prayers or brings a laugh. I don't want the forums cluttered with hourly weather reports from the opposite corner of the country - especially complaints about the weather.[;)]
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Thanks. Had sushi and Chinese buffet. Then proeeded to post irrelevant things on the forums. [;)]MJ. Smith said:Congratulations - I hope you had the celebration you wanted.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Super.Tramp said:Alain Maashe said:
Logos is software but it runs on hardware.
Logos runs great on the iPad 2 with 64GB.
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No it doesn't run at all on an iPad - Logos 5 that is. It does however run great on the Surface Pro 2 or 3. And I care very much. It has greatly enhanced my Logos experience. If you do not like the post, don't read it.
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Michael Childs said:Super.Tramp said:Alain Maashe said:
Logos is software but it runs on hardware.
Logos runs great on the iPad 2 with 64GB.
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No it doesn't run at all on an iPad - Logos 5 that is. It does however run great on the Surface Pro 2 or 3. And I care very much. It has greatly enhanced my Logos experience. If you do not like the post, don't read it.
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I care too. The new touch screen tablets running Windows 8 have filled a niche many of us have been impatiently awaiting. ... A truly portable device with desktop features (Upon which to run Logos). I guess that ain't for everyone. As this technology continues to expand, I expect there will be further discussion about it. Possibly a forum for this platform is the answer. After all there is a forum for Ipad/Iphone, and one for Android. Michael, I think you could contribute much to such a forum. Just thinking out loud. [:D]Silent Sam said:Michael Childs said:Super.Tramp said:Alain Maashe said:Logos is software but it runs on hardware.
Logos runs great on the iPad 2 with 64GB.
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No it doesn't run at all on an iPad - Logos 5 that is. It does however run great on the Surface Pro 2 or 3. And I care very much. It has greatly enhanced my Logos experience. If you do not like the post, don't read it.
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I care too, because I want to run Logos 5 on my desktop and tablet. The iOS and Android apps are great and all, but they are limited in what they can do.
The newer crop of tablets running Haswell have gotten us much closer to a satisfying experience of running Logos 5 on a tablet. If you will remember back when netbooks were in and Logos 4 was out, those machines stuttered under the increased system requirements for Logos 4. It now seems that the hardware has caught up to Logos. Even the newer Atom-based tablets with 2GB of RAM and Logos installed on a microSD are running Logos acceptably. There will be folks like Josh who want a low-end 2-in-1 tablet that can act like a laptop in a pinch.
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It qualifies as a rant, if the subject matter is not a Logos product per se, and the content is highly subjective, emotional, even irrelevant.
e.g. track-pad off center, screen bezel indented, tips over, docking iffy --> "Logos will not like this."
headline: such-and-such is garbage.
All after a visit to the shop, no less.
I would hate for this place to become a haven for this sort of hardware "review". And Logos could get into trouble every time users rail against other legal entities. Please have respect for the purpose of this place, i.e. helping users with Logos, improving Logos.
As a fellow Logos user, I do welcome reviews that are reasoned, even-handed, relevant to actual or expected Logos usage, and pitched at the technical level of most Logos users. I have benefited from the many discussions that have met these criteria, even if there's a negative recommendation.
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I certainly do remember. I still have my little Lenovo netbook. I invested quite a bit of time, energy and cash into that project. After installing an SSD, I actually achieved somewhat acceptable results where Logos was concerned.. One must be aware of the limitations, and not expect more than it can deliver. I still use it for certain applications.Bill Anderson said:If you will remember back when netbooks were in and Logos 4 was out, those machines stuttered under the increased system requirements for Logos 4.
However ... This new breed of processors has opened a new realm of possibilities. To expect us not to discuss it is unreasonable. [:D]
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I put in a suggestion for a hardware forum here. It could be more of a technical forum, but this issue could be covered as well.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Thank You Joseph; ... I hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears. [:)]
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Paul C said:
Thank You Joseph; ... I hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears.
It shouldn't be hard for them to create, and if others post support in the other thread, maybe it will work.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Well said.Lee said:As a fellow Logos user, I do welcome reviews that are reasoned, even-handed, relevant to actual or expected Logos usage,
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Unix will appreciate that.Joseph Turner said:I put in a suggestion for a hardware forum here. It could be more of a technical forum, but this issue could be covered as well.
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Unix's questions would definitely have been better suited for a hardware forum.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Wow...40 replies. PTL. I posted so no one would consider this as a possible Logos machine. Its flimsy and pointless.
I appreciated the kind defense replies I got in here as well as the critical replies suggesting we have had too many hardware posts.I continue to look for a cheaper, inexpensive, powerful, "cooler", long battery life machine that runs Logos 5.x well.
I am also thankful for my Surface Pro - warts and all. (Some people are now picking themselves off the floor and getting back on their chairs).
Others will shrug and say "next" so I'll say it before they write it first.
God bless your weekend y'all.
Maybe - just maybe - someone will come up with a Windows Tablet that I appreciate before Jesus comes back.
To satisfy my detractors (and even some well wishers) I will initiate hardware posts ONLY when I feel I have landed someday squarely and safely on that machine.
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I think withholding information...Good or bad ... would be a disservice to the community. I have been enlightened by your posts. Knowledge of another person's misfortune can help us avoid the same pitfalls. Could you have chosen a better title for this post?. ... Yes. Was it an unnecessary waste of time? Absolutely not ! Post as you see fit. I would counsel you not to post to satisfy the whims of a few ... but the potential needs of the many.JoshInRI said:To satisfy my detractors (and even some well wishers) I will initiate hardware posts ONLY when I feel I have landed someday squarely and safely on that machine.
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Thanks Paul.
Live long and prosper - (in the knowledge and sharing of Jesus the Christ).
Its great to be "engaged" in such a worthwhile forum too.
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I'd appreciate hardware reviews that are limited to hardware that actually has Logos installed on it. (You do have Logos, don't you?) Otherwise it is hard to claim it is objective.JoshInRI said:To satisfy my detractors (and even some well wishers) I will initiate hardware posts ONLY when I feel I have landed someday squarely and safely on that machine.
Wow. 44 posts.
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What we "Appreciate" varies greatly from person to person. If a particular machine is so flimsy and unusable that it should never be a candidate for a Logos install, I Appreciate knowing that.Super.Tramp said:I'd appreciate hardware reviews that are limited to hardware that actually has Logos installed on it.
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Well, just to be technical (and increase the thread post count), the OP didn't actually mention how the hardware would impact Logos.
He simply didn't like several design features of the UI (track placement, keyboard connect method, etc). Whether it's good for Logos, we'll continue to 'aspire' for.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I knew you were lurking in the bushes. >>>> Er, Tumbleweed.Denise said:Well, just to be technical (and increase the thread post count), the OP didn't actually mention how the hardware would impact Logos.
Do you mean to imply that some folks actually evaluate hardware based on anything other than how it will run Logos? That's hard to comprehend.
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Schezic said:
If a particular machine is so flimsy and unusable that it should never be a candidate for a Logos install, I Appreciate knowing that.
Appreciate this:
The Acer Aspire One netbook has only 1GB of RAM, no CD Rom drive and comes with Window XP. The Atom processor struggles running searches in Logos. I recommend you search for a better option but I stop short of calling it "garbage."
**This review is based on hardware I actually own and have installed Logos on.**
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Possibly you didn't read my reply above:Super.Tramp said:The Acer Aspire One netbook has only 1GB of RAM, no CD Rom drive and comes with Window XP. The Atom processor struggles running searches in Logos. I recommend you search for a better option but I stop short of calling it "garbage."
You seem more than willing to share your experiences with varied machines. I did not support the title of the thread, but rather the right to tout or bash hardware.Paul C said:Could you have chosen a better title for this post?. ... Yes. Was it an unnecessary waste of time? Absolutely not !
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Okay .. I'll be #50 or maybe #51 post.
Paul ... you bring up a very sore point. Tumbleweeds. We don't have them. Southern AZ does. When the AZ highway department re-did our highway, somehow they trucked in southern AZ dirt. We have our own here, but apparently it wasn't good enough. So then we had tumbleweeds (plus the dirt was the wrong color). There was a big community uproar. The highway department dutifully poisoned the offending tumbleweeds. Life is back to our normal Sedona weeds.
And regarding the 'review', I'm not even sure what merited the OP to spend precious fuel driving to the BestBuy (robbing future generations of precious carbon pollution). The review he references says the same thing he said (I guess maybe the magnetic connector might have been immensely confusing).
I'm even more impresssed that the specs here are the same specs I had for my netbook 5 years ago ... with the exact same results.
I'm with Matthew ... a Friday night post.
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