Received in a Logos Newswire email his morning.....
Introductory discounts expire January 31st, 2010.If you are already a Logos user, please upgrade to a new Logos 4base package now. The base package upgrades are really amazing deals.
Did they say anything about the crossgrade pricing changing?
Nothing was really said about the crossgrading....
Here is the main substance of the email:
Introductory pricing and discounts are going away.We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We want to pleaseeveryone, but we know we can't. We would love it if every email gotthrough, was read, understood, and acted upon, but we are realistic.People are busy, emails get lost, ignored, blocked, and deleted. Noteveryone reads our blog, not everyone subscribes to Bible Study Magazine, and not everyone will get the message in time to take advantage of our introductory upgrade discounts.
Limited time introductory discounts and upgrade specials are justthat—"limited time" and "introductory"—in other words, they must goaway soon.
As evidenced by the emails described above, there are plenty ofpeople on both sides of the coin. Many people have already upgraded andnow want to get to the good stuff, and many other people will no doubtbe frustrated when they hear about Logos 4 for the first time after theintroductory discounts are gone.
If you are already a Logos user, please upgrade to a new Logos 4base package now. The base package upgrades are really amazing deals.
You may be saying to yourself that this is one big sales-pitch. Well, there's really no way around telling you about the great deal without telling you about the great deal! :-) There is no way to put you completely in our shoes and mind, but weare trying to explain every way we can how we back up our claims withreal proof on how what we say is true.
Yes, we are selling, yes, we make money when you buy, yes, we wouldobviously say this is a good deal, yes, we realize that sometimes it ishard to believe just how good of a deal some things are until it is toolate, so please take the time to do your own research, and read today's blog post about the value in each upgrade: http://bit.ly/7sxbdW
If you know people that have an old Logos product, please help us spread the word, and let them know about the upgrade.
If you know people that have been thinking that they need to getLogos someday, let them know that this may be the best deal they willever see on the base packages.
Now is the time to get Logos Bible Software 4 whether you are upgrading or buying for the first time.
Thanks for that Charles. I have not received my newswire of yet.
I have a friend that uses Logos 3 - I'll have to make sure he knows about the cut off date.
Thanks again,
Mike
My hope is that this means that the majority of the v. 3 functionality lost will be available by then. I know the list of missing features says more generally that some won't but it seems like the upgrade should have those basic functions in place by then if that is the firm deadline.
Just my opinion.
My hope is that this means that the majority of the v. 3 functionality lost will be available by then. I know the list of missing features says more generally that some won't but it seems like the upgrade should have those basic functions in place by then if that is the firm deadline. Just my opinion.
Why would you suggest such when the actual V4 engine is free? One only pays for the resources and not the engine.
Ted
What??????
Hi Alex,
It's true. You COULD purchase a crossgrade... If you do, what you're buying even then is not the software. It's the additional resources (all the gee whiz graphcis resources) that made L4 sparkle. As always, the engine is free. That's been true for as long as I've been doing business with them (circa '94).
Blessings!
Bill
I understand that Bill, but what has that got to do with Kevin Pucell's comments? He was just expressing an opinion about what he wanted to see. I don't see where purchasing or money came into it. To come back and ask him why he'd say what he did when the upgrade is free is ludicrous? What's the connection?
I am surprised that you read more into my comment to Kevin than was meant or warranted. Since you have made up your mind that it is "ludicrous" there is no point explaining. To think i was challenging or dismissing Kelvin's point is off the mark. Thanks.
What's the connection?
On re-reading the entire thread, seeing your post in context with the explanation above, I understand now that we're on the same page. Sorry for any confusion.
(Too often, I feel like confusion is my only spiritual "gift.")
I understand that Bill, but what has that got to do with Kevin Pucell's comments? He was just expressing an opinion about what he wanted to see. I don't see where purchasing or money came into it. To come back and ask him why he'd say what he did when the upgrade is free is ludicrous? What's the connection? I am surprised that you read more into my comment to Kevin than was meant or warranted. Since you have made up your mind that it is "ludicrous" there is no point explaining. To think i was challenging or dismissing Kelvin's point is off the mark. Thanks. Ted
I think Ted's comment is worth explaining, even though he thinks there is no point. Firstly, other people read these threads and will benefit from the fuller explanation, and secondly, anyone can use stronger language than they intended when they are confused, so I would generally prefer to chalk Alex's "ludicrous" remark up to his being confused. Thus here's my explanation:
I think what Ted was trying to say (or rather an expansion of what he was trying to say) is that it's still a good idea to go ahead and upgrade before Jan 31 to get the good prices on the base packages (which have more resources in them than they had in L3), even if all the functionality isn't in the engine yet. The engine will continue to get better and all those future upgrades to the engine will be free, as the engine has always been thrown in for free with the resources you purchase. Really all they're doing with this limited-time upgrade sale is offering a special discount to people who are willing to be "early adopters" and live with the limited functionality in L4 for now (with the knowledge that L3 will continue to work if they absolutely need some of the functionality that isn't in L4 yet).
I don't see any obligation for them to extend the introductory sale simply because L4 doesn't yet have all the features that are planned to bring it up to full equivalency with L3 (it already goes way beyond L3 in many more ways than it lags behind). It's generous of them to offer a sale at all. Well, it probably benefits them in the long run because more people will buy, but that's beside the point. It is still a great deal, so I say people should jump on the bandwagon if they've been considering it but hesitating.
I understand that Bill, but what has that got to do with Kevin Pucell's comments? He was just expressing an opinion about what he wanted to see. I don't see where purchasing or money came into it. To come back and ask him why he'd say what he did when the upgrade is free is ludicrous? What's the connection? I am surprised that you read more into my comment to Kevin than was meant or warranted. Since you have made up your mind that it is "ludicrous" there is no point explaining. To think i was challenging or dismissing Kelvin's point is off the mark. Thanks. Ted I think Ted's comment is worth explaining, even though he thinks there is no point. Firstly, other people read these threads and will benefit from the fuller explanation, and secondly, anyone can use stronger language than they intended when they are confused, so I would generally prefer to chalk Alex's "ludicrous" remark up to his being confused. Thus here's my explanation: I think what Ted was trying to say (or rather an expansion of what he was trying to say) is that it's still a good idea to go ahead and upgrade before Jan 31 to get the good prices on the base packages (which have more resources in them than they had in L3), even if all the functionality isn't in the engine yet. The engine will continue to get better and all those future upgrades to the engine will be free, as the engine has always been thrown in for free with the resources you purchase. Really all they're doing with this limited-time upgrade sale is offering a special discount to people who are willing to be "early adopters" and live with the limited functionality in L4 for now (with the knowledge that L3 will continue to work if they absolutely need some of the functionality that isn't in L4 yet). I don't see any obligation for them to extend the introductory sale simply because L4 doesn't yet have all the features that are planned to bring it up to full equivalency with L3 (it already goes way beyond L3 in many more ways than it lags behind). It's generous of them to offer a sale at all. Well, it probably benefits them in the long run because more people will buy, but that's beside the point. It is still a great deal, so I say people should jump on the bandwagon if they've been considering it but hesitating.
Rosie, as we would say in the UK you are a darling! Well said! i could not have explained it any better. You captured my thoughts well( exactly) on this subject.[Y][Y][Y]
Perhaps there is something about the written medium that leads to too much confusion in this forum, where ones intentions are not understood[:(]. Thanks again and God bless.
Wow. That was fun. My comment started some entertaining firestorms that were not intended.
Let me explain what I was trying say. I agree with you Rosie. I see no obligation of any kind whatsoever. In fact Logos has no obligation to me as a customer than what is already contractually required by our previous sale/purchase. What I was saying is that while we all know that you can download the Logos 4 engine, to effectively use all the goodness therein one really needs the cross-grade upgrade at the very least. Yes I can use Logos 4 without it but I wouldn't want to nor would very many. The coolness is in some of the new feature only available with some of the new content. The cross-grade price is a very fair upgrade too for what you get. But at an introductory price I don't think some will be willing to go for it until they see how some of the v. 4 things like sentence diagramming will work. We already have been told they will be "much better" but the powers that be in Logos. Well, that remains to be seen. What if the new version really stinks and makes your work flow terrible and unusable? Then having upgraded I will have to get a refund because the new features are not as good as the v. 3.
For these reasons I would hope that Logos would get all the basic v. 3 functionality into the v. 4 engine before ending their introductory discount. The time frame of the missing features page suggests that won't happen by Jan 31. But maybe most of it can be. This is my opinion. But again, as you said, Logos has NO obligation to give any new features whatsoever to anyone every again. But what they are obliged to do and what I hope they will do are different.
But I am one of the resident critics who really likes Logos 4 but doesn't think it was a revolutionary upgrade.
doesn't think it was a revolutionary upgrade.
I don't know - we've certainly not had a Boston Tea Party but some users seem to be in revolt[;)]
some users seem to be in revolt
Are some revolting????
some users seem to be in revolt Are some revolting????
I find chicken soup and gummy bears mashed together and spilling out from my 6 year old son's mouth revolting . . . WAIT! Wrong thread. No Hijacking here.
I am really really torn about the upgrade. I already did from Gold to Gold and then to Platinum. I see Portfolio as a very good deal, even if all the good deals are not necessarily books I need. What makes it even more difficult is extreme belt tightening at my church . . . not to mention some stupefied stares when the elders saw what I spent on Logos last year . . . some resources I REALLY want are still on prepub: baker bundles, NT Wright, Zondervan (don't get me started . . . ). For the first time in my life I have thought of payment plan and just upgrading without the benefit of ministry expense money. My wife will kill me then . . .
Dan,
I too was torn on Portfolio, but for me there just wasn't enough there to justify the upgrade (plus I owned a bunch of it and wasn't getting a big enough discount to make up for it. With Zondervan stuff coming up and so many prepubs I decided that if I was to spend that much money on anything, I'd rather pick and choose.
My wife loves my Logos purchases cause she knows that that just means fewer books on the shelves. Show your wife the Upgrade Illustrated page...it justifies a lot.
now THERE is an idea! That was pretty funny.
Back to Portfolio, though. the deal is that if I don't get on this "now" it will double in less than a month. THEN all of a sudden it looks like a better deal. An upgrade for me is 1300 right now. That is about the exact total of the resources I want. Although don't "want" them as much as some of the stuff I mentioned above. However, i might want them if it means having to pay 2600 for the package after 1/31. And Z deals are not great--in fact some are not deals at all--little to no prepub discount--except for many of the resources i already have in Pradis. So, I am thinking I may hold off onZ. I already cancelled the bundle. I am also curious to see what they might do for previous owners. (not meaning to jumpstart that whole thread again). But I guess I can live with my Pradis stuff for a few years, and since I don't get much of a discount on the other Z resources, it is not critical I get them as pre-pubs. Still mulling Portfolio. That way, when they come out with "Portabello" in Logos 5, the upgrade won't cost as much. . .
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