Using Greek and Hebrew Pronunciations

I am really excited about the Hebrew (and Greek as well) pronunciation option! However, I find that very often, when I click on the lemmas I only hear a portion of the word or its root, not the word itself or the entire word as I would like. Even more so, sometimes I want to hear an entire phrase or sentence. That's would be over the top for me! Have you figured out a way to make these types of options work. Oh yes, for Hebrew I'm using the Lehman Hebrew/English Interlinear. For Greek, I'm using the literal interlinear. This would be wonderful for reviewing Greek and Hebrew, having it all in one place. Please help! Thank you!

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Fred Chapman

With regard to partial pronunciations can you provide an example? Preferably the word you are selecting and the resource you are using for that selection. Does this happen with both Greek and Hebrew pronunciations? As for pronouncing entire phrases, the Hebrew and Greek pronunciation tools are not designed to work that way.

Alphonetta Wines

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/610815#Comment_610815

Thx Fred,

Here's what's happening . . .

I'm starting my review with Gen 1 and John 1.

Hebrew - for example in Gen 1:1 I clicked on בְּרֵאשִׁית and found a lemma for the entire word, clicked on "Pronunce" and heard the entire word (Yeah!). However, when I went to Gen 1:2 and clicked on וְהָאָרֶץ I found lemmas and heard pronunciation for each part of the word, but did not find a lemma or pronunciation for the entire word.

In John 1:1 I clicked on ἦν, but when I clicked on the lemma for it, εἰμί was the only lemma and that is what was pronounced.

Thx for your help!

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/610818#Comment_610818

The Lemma is what it is designed to pronounce because that is what you would have to look up in a lexicon. The Greek audio Bible will read you the text as it is printed, which may be more what you are looking for. If you like it will read you the entire passage. But if you are discussing a Greek word used in a verse, you would discuss the lemma. Unless of course, your point had something specific to do with the form used in that particular verse - such as its gender, or tense, or voice, etc. Still a commentary or speaker would generally identify the word by its lemma.

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/610821#Comment_610821

If you right click on the word you will see three different lemmas in the context menu. You can select them individually for pronunciation.

With regards to John 1:1 you are looking at the manuscript form of the word (as Michael said) rather than the lemma. The pronunciation tool only pronounces lemmas.

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/610818#Comment_610818

This is one of the reasons the Hebrew pronunciation guide took so long to come to market. Hebrew uses a LOT of compound words. This is where Logos had a lot of internal discussion about how to tag individual words or the compounds. (e.g. should they record a version of "earth", "the earth", and "and the earth") there are some places where "earth" appears without the other parts of the word. What is the best way to tag the information? when 1 Hebrew word takes 3 (or more) words in the English translations. They chose (I believe correctly) to only record the lemma form.

RE: ἦν - this is a form of the English verb "to be". Should they record is, are, am, was, were, going to be or just record "to be" then use the parsing information for the student to understand which form of the word is being used.?

I hope this helps other users understand the nature of compound words and declinable verbs.

Alphonetta Wines

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/610880#Comment_610880

Thanks everyone! Looks like I have to let my hope for this rest in peace . . .

Hopefully one day, Logos, or someone will be able to do what I'm hoping for. I do have a GreekMaster CD that shows the Greek and pronounces it, but was hoping to find something like this in Logos since I depend on it for just about everything!

I have looked, but have not found a HebrewMaster CD that does this. If you know of one, please let me know. In the meantimeI've found an audio Hebrew bible at: http://www.aoal.org/hebrew_audiobible.htm, but there is no visual.

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/611828#Comment_611828

If all you are wanting is a recording of someone reading the NT in Greek there is this:

https://www.logos.com/product/4207/greek-audio-new-testament