Come on guys, this is exiting !
https://www.logos.com/product/43593/baptist-diamond
or
https://www.logos.com/product/43596/pentecostal-and-charismatic-silver
I think that dynamic pricing is not properly implemented yet or the normal 15% initial discount.
They have just added dynamic pricing to the Pentecostal package as we speak, 74% off for me.
Great! Thank you. Baptist Diamond just rocketed up my wish list. Can't wait to see where I stand with Dynamic.
I am downloading 917mb as we speak, one highlight for me was the inclusion of the Lexham Bible Guides: Paul’s Letters Collection (13 vols.) which is $534 on its own.
Is there a "Whats New to You" link?
Congratulations ... one more forum topic checked off as "done"
I just downloaded 663 resources for $770 on the diamond package which I am happily hunting through as we speak.
Yes, and it is quite nice (even shows you what proportion of books you own in packages you have partials of). Try this link: https://www.logos.com/upgrade/Baptist?selectedBasePackageSku=43588&doScroll=1
Thankful, but a tad disappointed. No source materials, from the big revivals, Frank Bartleman, William Seymour, etc? They're PD!
Still some good stuff. I'm probably nabbing both since these are the traditions I grew up in (Pentecostal -> Congregational Holiness -> Southern Baptist).
thanks for letting me know. I am excited about this - but its going to be a year or more perhaps before I can pick it up. I wonder if they are extending the same extra 15% discount that they gave the early adopters of the other denominational products?I would have liked to see more from the particular baptists. I notice the free-will Baptists were included. Or at least more from spurgeon. JP Boyces systematic theology was a nice inclusion as well.I am also surprised there was no KJV, or hcsv. Not that I need another KJV translation in my library *chuckle*.I think its pretty good over all.My question is when will we have our own forum?
I would now like to see a dodgy Liberal base package so that I could pick up the Anchor Yale Commentary series at a decent price.
Are those Guides good? For me Baptist Gold is $575 (includes guides) and Silver is $280, so for $295 I can get those Lexham Pauls guides and others stuff, but thats the big seller. Just not sure I would use them.
I am downloading 917mb as we speak, one highlight for me was the inclusion of the Lexham Bible Guides: Paul’s Letters Collection (13 vols.) which is $534 on its own. Are those Guides good? For me Baptist Gold is $575 (includes guides) and Silver is $280, so for $295 I can get those Lexham Pauls guides and others stuff, but thats the big seller. Just not sure I would use them.
I like them but after buying the first two I cancelled all my prepubs as they are not worth the price they are being sold at , but to get them for say $100 or $150 (and perhaps more) would in my mind be well worth it.
They give you an insight into resources that you do not own, but the bad side is that you feel like buying more an more resources to unlock the cross references which can get expensive.
If you have a query about a verse they are good for giving you a range of opinions in a very user friendly and accessible form. Of course you could look up all the references yourself from scratch but just understanding the context from each resource would be very time consuming.
I do not think that it is a particularly good base package as far as base packages go. I think that the best put together package is the Anglican one, that is very well crafted and balanced with a host of new dedicated Anglican resources. The Baptist one just looks like it was thrown together and for the Diamond package there is no killer content like the ICC series was in the Anglican one.
I like all of the journals for sure. There are a few other things.
I see the following on the Compare => Show me what I'll get page after downloading. Anyone else seeing this?
Also, the Mouse-Over on Systematic Theology shows: "LBRS Standard Collection (European Version)"
I see the following on the Compare => Show me what I'll get page after downloading. Anyone else seeing this? Also, the Mouse-Over on Systematic Theology shows: "LBRS Standard Collection (European Version)"
Same here
guessing you won't be paying 3500$ for those 4 resources eh?
Thanks for helping us track down some bugs, everyone. The issue with those titles (Systematic Theology and the Book of Enoch) should now be corrected.
Time to delete those pre-pubs & community pricing books.
These look like pretty good packages, and I've placed my order. Several volumes were on my wishlists, which is always a good sign:
And whilst most of those are overpriced, getting them as part of a larger set makes them much more affordable. With dynamic pricing and the 15% discount, I I paid less for my two packages than I would for those five items on their own.
Can I also add that I'm delighted the Baptist package is filled with so many commentaries. They're lacking in most base packages, so this is a real step forward.
Mike you don't happen to have a list of the pre-pubs that ought be canceled due to inclusion in one or the other packages do you?
Thank you for the Baptist link. (I'm Baptist.)
Can you give me a "What's New to You" link for the Pentecostal-Charismatic Silver package? I can't find any contents on the product description page.
Yes, and it is quite nice (even shows you what proportion of books you own in packages you have partials of). Try this link: https://www.logos.com/upgrade/Baptist?selectedBasePackageSku=43588&doScroll=1 Thank you for the Baptist link. (I'm Baptist.) Can you give me a "What's New to You" link for the Pentecostal-Charismatic Silver package? I can't find any contents on the product description page.
There's a link to "Compare" on each of the product description pages for the new base packages. Here's the direct link: https://www.logos.com/comparison/pc#fullchart
There aren't any products currently on Pre-Pub or Community Pricing contained in the new Baptist base packages.
In the Pentecostal & Charismatic Silver package, there is one product yet to ship: Elmer L. Towns Collection
WOW.. Buying the baptist diamond package only brought the pentecostal price $10 less.
Knowing that the pentecostal package carried more of the same resources from Baptist package (seeing more than 2-4)
Perhaps you already owned most of the overlapping material. I know that I had no unowned overlaps.
Some of you may be interested in knowing that I've updated my Logos 5 Buyer's Guide to include the new Baptist packages. I intend to add Pentecostal/Charismatic too, but it's 2am here, and sleep is getting the better of me.
I noticed what you said about Zwingli turning over in his grave. As I recall Zwingli's teachings spawned the anabaptist movement in Switzerland (though he didn't approve of everything they did). Certain streams within the Southern Baptist's trace their origin back to Anabaptism and as a result Zwingli.
Doing a little internet searching, I'd like to expand the list of names I'd like to see in an expanded Pentecostal Package that come up frequently in the formation of the Pentecostal movement. I think most/all of these have works in the PD.
Also ran across a few historical treatments on Pentecostalism by the following author, already in Logos:
As I recall Zwingli's teachings spawned the anabaptist movement in Switzerland (though he didn't approve of everything they did).
Zwingli persecuted the anabaptists who felt that he wasn't reforming quickly enough. Felix Mans, leader of the Anabaptists in Zurich was drowned by the civil authorities, allegedly with Zwingli's support. It is true that the early Anabaptists were heavily influenced by Zwingli (before they split), so perhaps that's the reason for the inclusion.
As I recall Zwingli's teachings spawned the anabaptist movement in Switzerland (though he didn't approve of everything they did). Zwingli persecuted the anabaptists who felt that he wasn't reforming quickly enough. Felix Mans, leader of the Anabaptists in Zurich was drowned by the civil authorities, allegedly with Zwingli's support. It is true that the early Anabaptists were heavily influenced by Zwingli (before they split), so perhaps that's the reason for the inclusion.
Yeah that was an understatement on my part.
As tempting as they are, my dynamic pricing is not much even though I own Platinum, and Silver packages of the other new traditions. I guess Baptist and P/C do add more new resources than the ones I already own. I'll have to wait on those. I'm good for now. Thanks Logos!
Now maybe a Restoration Movement Package. Remember, College Press is a big publisher and Standard Publishing among others. Plus not everything has to be restoration within the package, so there's room to make at least up to Silver packages on the Restoration Movement Base Packages. Hopefully by the end of the year. ;-)
DAL
Got both Diamond Baptist (812 resources, 1.3gb) & Pentecostal Silver (273 resources, 210mb).
Bring out Pentecostal Portfolio soon!
Now time for me to do house-cleaning in Open Pre-Pubs & Community Pricing page. Not that they are redundant but money saving purposes.
I shall see you again at Black Friday..Logos. Until then...
I've really been wrestling with these denominational packages, I just don't find the value for my personal needs. I have over 6,000 resources and I've spent more than $16K (I know that is small compared to many here) in Logos the past 8 years, but I've invested heavily in more modern resources and haven't spent much on older materials. Don't get me wrong, the wisdom of old is to be cherished, but for my academic needs I simply need more recent materials. I'd love to see an academic base package for seminary students. Rather than spending $1,800 for Baptist Diamond, $1,600 for Reformed Diamond or $2,300 for Anglican Diamond, I feel that those funds would be much better spent on more recent commentary sets or reference works. My base package upgrades are always more expensive due to my purchasing habits. The only set that I currently see value in is the Reformed Gold ($300) because it contains three resources (Crossway Classic Commentaries, Battles' Institutes and Reformed Dogmatics) that I would use regularly. Please excuse my rant, I'm very happy for you all that are finding great joy and value here...I'm just feeling a bit left out. [:P]
I already own the Silver...I am a Baptist working on my Mdiv....but candidly I do not know why I would want to switch to this collection.
Is it just a new way for Logos to make some more money and repackage things I may already own?
Is there some compelling reason I would even want to switch to the Baptist starter kit for example? I mean I own the regular 5.x Silver already.
Bewildered Baptist and Logos Silver 5.x user,
Joshua in Rhode Island
I already own the Silver...I am a Baptist working on my Mdiv....but candidly I do not know why I would want to switch to this collection. Is it just a new way for Logos to make some more money and repackage things I may already own?
Of course, offering a package geared to the interests of a group of users (and especially. not-yet users) is a way for Logos to make money. After all, they need to pay the developers, the servers....
Since Base Packages all have dynamic pricing, you wouldn't pay for things you already own. It's up to you to find out whether what's new to you is worth the remaining price.
I found the commentary list weak and most of the resources not to my liking.
Believe it or not it Chaplain package looks more useful to me than this underwhelming set of Baptist resources.
Sigh.
As far as I understand Baptist theology, even if most of them may never have heard of Zwingli, their understanding of the sacraments ["ordinances"] is often described as Zwinglian.
From memory the spilt between Zwingli and the Anabaptists centred on his agreeing with them in theory but refusing to support them in practice.
In two short months the relationship between Zwingli and Grebel had deteriorated rapidly. The cause, however, is not difficult to discover. Grebel and Stumpf seem to have taken a position somewhat more advanced than Zwingli’s in the October disputation. According to the record, however, Zwingli had agreed with the younger men that the Word of God and not the Zürich council should determine the disposition of the mass and the use of images. Yet following the disputation, Zwingli seemed to submit to the decision of the council. He was unwilling to alter observance of the Lord’s Supper to conform to the Scriptures and his earlier promises. This became the point of contention between him and Grebel.
Estep, W. R. (1996). The Anabaptist story: an introduction to sixteenth-century Anabaptism (3rd ed., rev. and enl., pp. 15–16). Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.
https://www.logos.com/product/3650/the-anabaptists
Isn't the theological discussion dealing with Baptist formation and Zwingli best suited for the other site.
On anotherr note. The Pentecostal Silver pkg looks great. I cannot say Thanks enough to Logos sales personnel double checking everything and coming up with great package and deal. I reviewed the Baptist package and will need to save up now and plan things to get the Baptist package later this year. As another person stated, I too, have both Fundamental Baptist background and afterwards Church of God (Cleveland)/Assemblies of God.
I do not know why I would want to switch to this collection.
No-one is suggesting you 'switch' to the Baptist base package. If you want, you could supplement your existing library with the extras you get in a Baptist package, without paying again for what you already own (that's dynamic pricing). So, because I already own a lot of the content in Baptist Gold, I get that offered for a few hundred dollars. That's worth it for me, because I wanted the $500 Lexham Bible Guides: Paul’s Letters Collection, which is included in Gold. But that's just how it worked out for me. Everyone's mileage will be different.
If you're happy with what you have, stick with it and you've lost nothing.
Logos does offer a lot of other focused packages, bundles, and collections.
There are Verbum, Anglican, Reformed, Baptist, Lutheran, SDA, and Pentecostal-Charismatic base packages. Some day we may see Wesleyan-Methodist, Restoration Movement, and other new packages. There are various topical bundles available and the Chaplain's Library. Then, if you can't find anything useful in the aforementioned, you can stick with the generic packages or create your own piece-meal.
Logos resources are tools. If you can't use a tool, don't put it in your toolbox. I do not have a preaching ministry and find I do not make much use of NICOT/NICNT. I have decided to sell it and buy other, more useful, resources. I am thrilled with the new packages and will get both.
I'm a little confused.
Why are Ray Comfort, Warren Wiersbe, M.R. DeHaan, David Guzik, Skip Heitzig (etc.?), a part of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Silver package? As far as I know they aren't Pentecostal or Charismatic, or if they are, don't write from that perspective.
Maybe I just don't know the connection, as I did not grow up Pentecostal.
I'm not saying they aren't worth reading, and they certainly do write from an Evangelical perspective. I just wonder what they're doing in the Pentecostal/Charismatic package.
Why are Ray Comfort, Warren Wiersbe, M.R. DeHaan, David Guzik, Skip Heitzig (etc.?), a part of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Silver package?
I was quite surprised to see some of the contents too. Considering we don't yet have product managers for the P-C and Baptist groups, I think Logos made a well-intentioned effort for which I am appreciative. Hopefully they will release a higher package that will have more refined contents.
Why are Ray Comfort, Warren Wiersbe, M.R. DeHaan, David Guzik, Skip Heitzig (etc.?), a part of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Silver package? I was quite surprised to see some of the contents too. Considering we don't yet have product managers for the P-C and Baptist groups, I think Logos made a well-intentioned effort for which I am appreciative. Hopefully they will release a higher package that will have more refined contents.
Ahh but there is, Bob (I think) posted about that in another thread. The topic was tied to Christian Locatell leaving Logos for another company. Bob chimed in that he had been replaced, mentioning also a baptist product manager. I don't remember about the PC division however.
You are not remembering correctly. The latest Logos word on the matter was if we know of viable (qualified and interested) candidates for P-C or Baptist product manager to forward their names to Logos. Until then, product managing will be done by in-house staff.
Thanks for identifying why I will adopt a wait and see approach. I see no real value in the new "Baptist" package. Some of those people listed should be in the Baptist bunch if you ask me.
When Logos releases a new package the label it bears does not really matter half as much as the contents. If the resources I want can be had cheaper in a package, I will buy the package.
My per-volume rate is still less than $5 a book.
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