https://www.logos.com/wof?utm_source=womenoffaithconference&utm_medium=social&utm_content=basepackage_freemaryresource&utm_campaign=promo-wof2014#mary
(I imagine there's a good chance this will be included in many L6 base packages, so I suggest you get it even if you don't want it, or you may end up having to pay for it later.)
Thanks for the link. Something I found interesting is that it gives links for separate downloads ("Mary Question Downloads") after you purchase it. Those files do appear in your Orders history page if you click on the order (for anyone concerned about losing the files).
Thanks fgh
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thanks!
That is a great reason to get a book I don't particularly want. Got it. Thanks fgh.
https://www.logos.com/wof?utm_source=womenoffaithconference&utm_medium=social&utm_content=basepackage_freemaryresource&utm_campaign=promo-wof2014#mary (I imagine there's a good chance this will be included in many L6 base packages, so I suggest you get it even if you don't want it, or you may end up having to pay for it later.)
Thanks, fgh
The question files looked like they could be used for a book study... double thanks!
BUG: It looks like the promo code doesn't work for me. I wonder if it is incompatible with Academic pricing?
Thanks, fgh - This book was also free May 3, 2013.
It shouldn't be...I have academic pricing and I was able to get it.
Use code WOFMARY, and not WOF2014; then it should work.
While I have absolutely no interest in this book itself it is well worth getting to (as FGH suggests) drive down package prices that contain it.
For instance after downloading this resource for free the dynamic pricing for The "Lexham Press Pastors Bundle" fell for me from $486.17 to $471.59, a cash saving of $14.58.
Thank you, that worked.
Thanks.
Thank you, fgh, for the notification.
Got it!
Every blessing
Alan
Thank you, ugh
Is this book - overall - Catholic oriented? Mary is NOT deified in the study, right?
I downloaded and I am curious. I appreciated the handouts that came later after getting it...cool beans.
Respectfully,
Joshua in RI(a baptist looking for a good group Sunday Morning Bible study for some friends to lead)
Skimming through the introduction and being from Lexham Press I would say it is likely Ecumenical.
-Dan
Mary is NOT deified in the study, right?
Mary is rarely deified unless you are referring to the standard theosis.
Technically Mary is not deified in the RC church some groups within the RC do seem to seem to hold her in a lofty and seeming improper position. I know my sister in law has a strong hatred for the strong Marion followers in the church (she is RC). But I am not going to debate theology here... I will say Mary often does not receive honour she deserves or that is given her in scriptures. I personally have no issue given her the honour of the title "Ark of God", for she being a creation of God, did bare our God and saviour in her womb, she was in the words of the Gospel "Most blessed". She is a saint who had a most unique position.
-dan
if she is not deified, please explain how she qualifies as co-redemptrix? As a former catholic, all evidence points to this position in catholic theology.
CO-REDEMPTIONOne of the terms used by some to refer to the subordinate and cooperative role of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Christ’s redemption of the human race, either by her assent to the incarnation or by her participation at the foot of the cross in Christ’s sufferings. The nature of this cooperation has never been defined by the church, which has also never formally adopted the title “Co-redemptrix” for Mary.
Joseph A. Komonchak, Mary Collins, and Dermot A. Lane, The New Dictionary of Theology (Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 2000), 235.
People, even high positioned people may use phrases that are not officially sanctioned. Believe me there are large amounts of RC who are concerned over the maronites in the church.
Welcome to the forums David.
The guidelines ask that theological discussions not occur in these forums. However, ChristianDiscourse.com has been created for that purpose.
Your question is ill-formed, which as a former Catholic, you should know. I'll quote Wikipedia so that others not be misled.
Co-Redemptrix is both a title used by some Roman Catholics of Mary, the mother of Jesus and a theological concept, which refers to Mary's role in the redemption of man. It has always been controversial and has never formed part of the dogma of the Church. The term "Co-redemptrix" refers to a subordinate but essential participation by the Blessed Virgin Mary in redemption, notably that she gave free consent to give life to the Redeemer, to share his life, to suffer with him under the cross, to offer his sacrifice to God the Father for the sake of the redemption of mankind. . . .
The concept was especially commonly in the late Middle Ages, when it was promoted by many in the Franciscan Order, and often resisted by the Dominicans. By the early 16th century the hopes of the concept becoming Catholic doctrine had receded, and have never seriously revived.
maronites in the church.
Not to be confused with the Lebanese Maronite Rite Catholics
True on all accounts MJ. I was simply trying to point out official teaching verses popular beliefs.
F. L. Cross and Elizabeth A. Livingstone, eds., The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press, 2005), 1054.
I will leave it at that.
MJ are those still the traditions with the strongest maronite presence? or is it more prevalent in different Catholic traditions?
Yes, I was creating my reply while you posted so I saw it only after the fact. Mine was not needed as you had handled it well. ... But you know me - I can never let an opportunity to remind people that Christianity has never been solely European.[8-|]
Maronite Catholics are not particularly devoted to Mary i.e. no more than the Eastern Church in general. Excessive devotion to Mary tends to be a fault of those in the Western Church ... who have forgotten the Christological fight over whether Mary could be rightly called "Mother of God" aka Theotokos.
I'm thinking about the tags, and collections I have in my library, are there certain streams within Catholicism that are more excessively devoted to Mary than others? Thinking specifically in the context of the theology/denominations tag thread as it would apply to my library.
As a protestant, and a baptist, I could say with some safety that Baptists tend to under-emphasize the Holy Spirit, whereas one could argue the Pentecostals and Charismatics tend to do the opposite of this. Every Baptist church doesn't fall into this trap, nor does every P & C church fall into the other trap. But most of them do.Surely there is a similar set of leanings within the Catholic traditions, I just want to have them better classified within my library.
Surely there is a similar set of leanings within the Catholic traditions, I just want to have them better classified within my library.
Certainly at the author level that is true and one can paint some religious orders with particular leanings. Sometimes geographic region gives clues. But I can't think of any easily applied rules to sort people. If Logos provided a graph of the frequency of quotations by source within a resource it probably could be defined more generally.
But you know me - I can never let an opportunity to remind people that Christianity has never been solely European.
I for one am richer for your irenic nature and overflowing knowledgebase.
But you know me - I can never let an opportunity to remind people that Christianity has never been solely European. I for one am richer for your irenic nature and overflowing knowledgebase.
As a Baptist turned Roman Catholic, and someone who likes to read and learn from the various denominations, it would be awesome to see a breakdown like this not just for Catholic books but all of them. For example, not just differences in theology between Franciscans and Dominicans but what separates ECLA from Missouri Synod Lutheran writings, or United Church of Christ from PCUSA.
what separates ECLA from Missouri Synod Lutheran writings
I have to be quiet on this one.... Maybe someone else will light the powder keg... [:D]
PS: Raised Lutheran so I can appreciate both schools of thought but won't wade in it.
what separates ECLA from Missouri Synod Lutheran writings I have to be quiet on this one.... Maybe someone else will light the powder keg... -Dan PS: Raised Lutheran so I can appreciate both schools of thought but won't wade in it.
I have to be quiet on this one.... Maybe someone else will light the powder keg...
I didn't mean it as a comment to ignite a flame war, I understand very well some of the controversy, I just meant it as an example. If an author in my library is just tagged as Lutheran that can mean some very different things obviously, and it would be cool if within Logos there was some sort of distinction rather than having to Google an author to find out. Same with Catholic, or Baptist, or many others. I can't think of a feasible way to implement this kind of thing, maybe further tagging on specific doctrines such as dispensationalism or post tribulation rapture, though I would think that could get overwhelming. Anyways, I think something like this would be useful for those maybe not familiar with a specific denominations internal differences.
There's a Chesterson book free as well.
The worksheet created in the denomination/theology thread has the detailed denominational information and is available on the Faithlife group.
