Logos only lets your transfer book Licenses once???

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  • Anderson Abreu
    Anderson Abreu Member Posts: 555 ✭✭✭

    EastTN said:

    Another would be to create an exception that allows a transfer at death. I have absolutely no desire to buy and sell Logos resources, but I would like to donate my library to a deserving seminary student when I die. My sister is a professor at a christian university, and my plan is for her to find a promising student when the time comes.

    That's what I think. I have no interest in selling books. But I'm thinking of leaving my account to someone. Unless I still have a son who becomes a pastor or my daughter marries the pastor in 15 years' time, I'd like to be able to donate my account to some studious, high-tech seminarian! lol

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    "... And do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength." (Ne 8.10)

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 766 ✭✭

    DMB said:

    I know I would not buy anything from anybody at my age (and I'm not that old) if I knew I could not transfer them, ever. It's like buying someone's physical library with the condition that you'd have to burn the books when you die.

     

    But the one-transfer and one-refund demand is probably what supports the major discounting contracts, with publishers. 

    What discounting do you have in mind? Those that are part of packages? When resources are not part of the package, aren't they selling at regular print-edition prices (except when offered during sales)?

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,756 ✭✭✭

    1Cor10 31 said:

    What discounting do you have in mind? Those that are part of packages? When resources are not part of the package, aren't they selling at regular print-edition prices (except when offered during sales)?

    Yes, the big packages. I've been sort of closing up shop before the 21st, and got maybe a hundred books for $20 or so. I'd be tempted so say 'filler' but most fill out holes in my library, and tagged for reading. Surprisingly recent vintage as well.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 766 ✭✭

    DMB said:

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    What discounting do you have in mind? Those that are part of packages? When resources are not part of the package, aren't they selling at regular print-edition prices (except when offered during sales)?

    Yes, the big packages. I've been sort of closing up shop before the 21st, and got maybe a hundred books for $20 or so. I'd be tempted so say 'filler' but most fill out holes in my library, and tagged for reading. Surprisingly recent vintage as well.

    Thanks. But the discount is artificially inflated because of the 'filler' books, isn't it?

    Many people have bought print-edition or kindle version of the books that Logos sells for far cheaper prices. And if print and kindle prices are low and these versions (print/kindle) have limitless transfer rights, then why does Logos insist on 1-and-done transfer?

    A more important question only lawyers can answer: will this restriction even hold up in a court of law?

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,756 ✭✭✭

    You're trying to deflate value. But my library is pretty tight, meaning its utility is fairly high.  I did get a major discount, over its life.

    Could I do the same, absent Logos? Nope. On the plus side, I think that was Bob's dream (user access). On the minus, resale.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 766 ✭✭

    DMB said:

    I did get a major discount, over its life. Could I do the same, absent Logos? Nope. 

    The question is: do competitors offer similar discounts without having the same restriction?

    Regardless of the outcome of this debate, I know I've benefited greatly from having my library at my fingertips wherever I go. I only wish I came to know of Logos sooner! 

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭

    1Cor10 31 said:

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    Many people have bought print-edition or kindle version of the books that Logos sells for far cheaper prices. And if print and kindle prices are low and these versions (print/kindle) have limitless transfer rights, then why does Logos insist on 1-and-done transfer?

    You cannot transfer a Kindle book at all, much less limitlessly.

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 766 ✭✭

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    Many people have bought print-edition or kindle version of the books that Logos sells for far cheaper prices. And if print and kindle prices are low and these versions (print/kindle) have limitless transfer rights, then why does Logos insist on 1-and-done transfer?

    You cannot transfer a Kindle book at all, much less limitlessly.

    I'm not on kindle, so its good to know. 

    Let's get back to the fundamental issue. as long as there is a version that has cheaper prices than Logos, but doesn't impose limitations (example: print), the question is: 

    why does Logos insist on 1-and-done transfer?

    what about competitors to Logos? do they have similar policy?

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭

    1Cor10 31 said:

    I'm not on kindle, so its good to know. 

    Let's get back to the fundamental issue. as long as there is a version that has cheaper prices than Logos, but doesn't impose limitations (example: print), the question is: 

    why does Logos insist on 1-and-done transfer?

    what about competitors to Logos? do they have similar policy?

    Print is fundamentally different. Print books wear out, get lost, and don't require ongoing expense. Resale of print books is protected by law (at least in the US) but the US courts have explicitly ruled that digital books do not give you the same ownership rights. 

    As far as I can tell, no Logos competitor lets you resale books at all. The vanilla ebook stores like Amazon and Barnes and Noble don't and apparently Accordance will let you sell your whole library but not individual books (https://forums.accordancebible.com/topic/3415-can-i-sell-some-of-my-accordance-modules-to-other-users/). I can't find any evidence that Olive Tree does either. 

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 766 ✭✭

    1Cor10 31">

    I'm not on kindle, so its good to know. 

    Let's get back to the fundamental issue. as long as there is a version that has cheaper prices than Logos, but doesn't impose limitations (example: print), the question is: 

    why does Logos insist on 1-and-done transfer?

    what about competitors to Logos? do they have similar policy?

    As far as I can tell, no Logos competitor lets you resale books at all....apparently Accordance will let you sell your whole library but not individual books (https://forums.accordancebible.com/topic/3415-can-i-sell-some-of-my-accordance-modules-to-other-users/). I can't find any evidence that Olive Tree does either. 

    Thank you. Sorry, it is not clear from your response whether only 1 transfer is allowed or is it possible that A sells to B and then B can turn around and sell to C and so on. 

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,836

    1Cor10 31 said:

    Sorry, it is not clear from your response whether only 1 transfer is allowed or is it possible that A sells to B and then B can turn around and sell to C and so on. 

    You need to solicit facts from those who are responsible. Contact Customer Service.

    Dave
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  • HJ. van der Wal
    HJ. van der Wal Member Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭

    https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/steam-makes-a-valuable-change-to-how-it-sells-games-and-the-whole-world-will-benefit 

    This news article is about an online gaming store but the new Californian law it mentions will also apply to other digital stores.

    If you buy a kindle ebook or music in the itunes store you do not actually own the digital asset.