Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 9 Libraries)
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay in the library search enter communitytag:commentarycritical or create a collection with that selection so you can select it from the drop down list.
Thank you so much. That resolved it. I was trying CommunityTags and Community Tag etc. but not "communitytag". What's weird is that some of those tags have created collections, and others haven't. I added them all in the same way. By copying them over from the Faithlife group...
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Yes, there are some inconsistencies that I'm feeling too lazy to sort out now that we have a workable solution.
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Rayner said:
If you could tell me how to do a screen grab, I can paste, but the Snipping Tool isn't working for grabbing the library...
That's because the Snipping Tool is invoked on mouse click, not via a keyboard shortcut that leaves popups alone (which is the reason I use Jing most often for captures) - however, if you open the library not in popup mode, but in a seperate tab or window (which I prefer for avoiding the nuisance of it going away) then Snipping Tool will have no issue with it. Just Right-Click the window button and choose:
Then you can play with Snipping Tool:
Have joy in the Lord!
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MJ. Smith said:
Yes, there are some inconsistencies that I'm feeling too lazy to sort out now that we have a workable solution.
Well, thanks. That has helped me to search for them. Can you advise how I can add community tags to the resources that are currently un community tagged? I have 362 resources with no community tags at all.
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Unfortunately, Rayner, I can't. Community tags are just a collection of what other users have entered as my tags. I don't know how many times a tag must appear in individual my tags for it to appear in community tgas. What you'll want to do is tag the untagged resources with my tags and select on both community tag and my tag. At least I think that is how it works.
I take a different approach and use only mytag for collections. When I go to add my missing tags I select on communitytag:nnn ANDNOT mytag:mmm and add the tags I agree with from the list.
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MJ. Smith said:
Unfortunately, Rayner, I can't. Community tags are just a collection of what other users have entered as my tags. I don't know how many times a tag must appear in individual my tags for it to appear in community tgas. What you'll want to do is tag the untagged resources with my tags and select on both community tag and my tag. At least I think that is how it works.
I take a different approach and use only mytag for collections. When I go to add my missing tags I select on communitytag:nnn ANDNOT mytag:mmm and add the tags I agree with from the list.
Thank you. That makes good sense. I guess I might as well just start tagging all of my resources. ARGH. That's quite a lot of work!!
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Mark Barnes said:
I've updated the rules in the first post. The changes are:
- Added 3:16 Bible Commentary Series to Expository Commentaries.
- Removed A Body of Divinity from Historical Commentaries (Reformation) as it's not a Bible commentary.
- Added Every Christian’s Library to Expository Commentaries.
- Added The Fathers of the Church to Historical Commentaries (Antiquity).
- Added Rhetorica Semitica to Intermediate Commentaries.
- Moved Teach the Text Commentary Series from Expository Commentaries to Intermediate Commentaries.
- Added Walking with Jesus to Expository Commentaries.
Updating the rules now, will post back when these changes are made. Should be pretty quick.
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And I've just added Rushdoony Commentaries on the Pentateuch to Intermediate and The Hebrew Bible and Its Versions to Technical. Sorry! They were both included in the recently released The Genesis Collection (125 vols). The other commentary collections for John and Revelation were already covered.
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no worries mark - updating means my library, and the library of over a hundred others is growing increasingly organized.
Rules updated and published
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Mark, would you be able to add New Interpreter's Bible? It's here:
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Rayner said:
Mark, would you be able to add New Interpreter's Bible? It's here:
https://www.logos.com/product/8803/new-interpreters-bibleI didn't include the NIB because for some reason it's only one resource in Logos, and therefore doesn't have any series data. Due to the sheer number of commentaries that aren't part of a series, I deliberately excluded them.
That said, the NIB is an anomaly, and I don't know why Logos chose to put 12 volumes into 1 resource, which goes against how they normally handle such things. So I have updated the intermediate rule to include this resource.
If you don't want to edit your own copy of the rule, you could add a commentary-intermediate tag to your NIB (or indeed to any other single-volume commentary), to have it included in the appropriate collection.
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Mark Barnes said:
That said, the NIB is an anomaly, and I don't know why Logos chose to put 12 volumes into 1 resource, which goes against how they normally handle such things. So I have updated the intermediate rule to include this resource.
Many thanks for adding it!! I'm quite annoyed about the fact that the NIB is one volume. I wish it had been separated out.
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Adding this now.Mark Barnes said:Rayner said:Mark, would you be able to add New Interpreter's Bible? It's here:
https://www.logos.com/product/8803/new-interpreters-bibleI didn't include the NIB because for some reason it's only one resource in Logos, and therefore doesn't have any series data. Due to the sheer number of commentaries that aren't part of a series, I deliberately excluded them.
That said, the NIB is an anomaly, and I don't know why Logos chose to put 12 volumes into 1 resource, which goes against how they normally handle such things. So I have updated the intermediate rule to include this resource.
If you don't want to edit your own copy of the rule, you could add a commentary-intermediate tag to your NIB (or indeed to any other single-volume commentary), to have it included in the appropriate collection.
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abondservant said:
Adding this now.
It could be that I'm doing something wrong, but I've reloaded Logos and made sure I'm up to date with the intermediate collection page, but the resource is still not showing up alongside my other commentaries...
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I don't have NIB so I can't confirm whether It's my rule or your machine, or faithlife. Can someone else check and see if NIB shows in Commentaries: Intermediate ?Rayner said:abondservant said:Adding this now.
It could be that I'm doing something wrong, but I've reloaded Logos and made sure I'm up to date with the intermediate collection page, but the resource is still not showing up alongside my other commentaries...
In the mean time I'll take a look at the rule.
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I just re-copied the rule from the group, but New Interpreter's hadn't been added to the rule, even though it said it had been updated in the last 24 hours.
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Weird. I will update it again, thanks Mark!
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Alright it should be up-to-date.
type:bible-commentary (series:("Rushdoony Commentaries on the Pentateuch","A Bible Commentary in the Wesleyan Tradition", "An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews (Owen)", "Ariel’s Bible Commentary", "Augsburg Commentary on the New Testament", "Baker Commentary on the Old Testament", "Baker New Testament Commentary", "Believers Church Bible Commentary", "Berit Olam Studies in Hebrew Narrative and Poetry", "Bible Lessons International", "Black’s New Testament Commentary", "Brazos Theological Commentary on the Bible", "Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture", "Charles Hodge Commentary", "College Press NIV Commentary", "Cornerstone Biblical Commentary", "Encountering Biblical Studies", "EP Study Commentary", "Everyman’s Bible Commentary", "Exploring the Old and New Testament Collection", "Expositor’s Bible Commentary", "Expositor’s Bible Commentary, Abridged Edition", "H. C. Leupold Commentary Collection", "Ignatius Catholic Study Bible", "International Theological Commentary", "Interpretation Commentary", "IVP New Testament Commentary", "Lenski’s Commentary on the New Testament", "Lexham Bible Guide", "Logion Press Commentary Series", "Matthew: A Commentary", "New American Commentary", "New Covenant Commentary Series", "NIV Application Commentary", "Old Testament Survey Series", "Orthodox Christian Reflections", "Preacher’s Commentary", "Pulpit Commentary", "Reading the New Testament", "Sacra Pagina Series", "Social-Science Commentaries", "Standard Reference Library Through-the-Bible Commentary", "Study Notes on the Holy Scriptures", "The Bible in Its World", "The Bible Speaks Today", "The Bible Speaks Today (US)", "The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges", "The New Testament for English Readers", "The Randall House Bible Commentary", "Rushdoony New Testament Commentaries", "The Story of God Bible Commentary", "The Two Horizons Commentary Series", "Tyndale Commentaries", "Understanding the Bible Commentary Series", "United Bible Societies’ Handbooks", "Wesleyan Bible Commentary", "Rhetorica Semitica", "Teach the Text Commentary Series", "Westminster Bible Companion","New Interpreter’s Bible"), Title:("New Interpreter’s Bible"), mytag:Intermediate,commentary-intermediate) -series:"The Church Pulpit Commentary"L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I've edited the first post to add:
- The New Testament Library to Intermediate.
- The Old Testament Library to Intermediate.
One of the volumes from The Old Testament Library was a recent freebie. I've guessed that books in The New Testament Library are tagged with the series name The New Testament Library, but couldn't verify that as I don't own any of the resources.
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Thanks so much Mark. How about doing some for journals? I know that is a bunch to ask so forgive my forwardness.
Blessings
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Rules are updated
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Thank you Mark, I overlooked it, but now I am very glad this is very helpful.
Blessings in Christ.
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Fred Robbins said:
Thanks so much Mark. How about doing some for journals? I know that is a bunch to ask so forgive my forwardness.
Journals is an interesting question. I've not thought about that before. How would you see journals being categorised?
- General/Seminary (e.g. Ashland Theological Journal, Bibliotheca Sacra, Central Bible Quarterly)
- Background (e.g. Bible and Spade, BASOR)
- Biblical Studies (e.g. Bulletin for Biblical Research, Journal of Biblical Literature)
- Old Testament (e.g. Journal for the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament, Journal of Hebrew Scriptures)
- New Testament
- Theological (e.g.Journal of Dispensational Theology, Journal of Theological Interpretation)
- Ministry and Apologetics (e.g. Christian Apologetics Journal, Journal for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, Journal of Biblical Counselling)
- Church History (e.g. Christian History and Biography Magazine)
- Book reviews (e.g. Critical Review of Books in Religion, Review of Biblical Literature)
- Others (e.g. Imaginatio et Ratio: A Journal of Theology and the Arts)
Would that suit everyone? Would it be useful to separate very old journals? If so, before when? Pre 1970s? Pre 1960s? Pre war? 19th century?
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Is there a way of adding them in passage Guide permanently Or I have to add them in every verse I am interested to see.
Blessings in Christ.
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Tes said:
Is there a way of adding them in passage Guide permanently Or I have to add them in every verse I am interested to see.
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Mark Barnes said:Tes said:
Is there a way of adding them in passage Guide permanently Or I have to add them in every verse I am interested to see.
Thank you so much Mark.
Blessings in Christ.
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Bringing this back up so as to check and see if Mark has made any additions
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abondservant said:
see if Mark has made any additions
I would find it so useful if the massive category of...
Historical Commentaries (1750-1950)
would be further subdivided into the same categories as the modern such as
Technical Historical Commentaries (1750-1950)
Intermediate Historical Commentaries (1750-1950)
Expository Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) etc.
I know its a big job but I'm just wondering if anyone has undertaken yet?
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abondservant said:
Bringing this back up so as to check and see if Mark has made any additions
The only change I've made personally is to add Acts: An Exegetical Commentary into Technical Commentaries (it's Keener's work).
That rule now reads:
type:bible-commentary (series:("A Commentary on the Book of Genesis", "Acts: An Exegetical Commentary", "An Exegetical Commentary: Revelation by Robert L. Thomas", "Anchor Yale Bible", "Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library", "Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha Commentaries (Charles)", "Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament", "Baylor Handbook on the Greek New Testament", "Baylor Handbook on the Hebrew Bible", "Concordia Commentary", "Continental Commentary", "Eerdmans Critical Commentary", "Evangelical Exegetical Commentary", "Exegetical Summaries", "Forms of the Old Testament Literature", "Hermeneia", "Illuminations", "JPS Tanakh Commentary", "Letters and Homilies", "Mentor Commentaries", "Minor Prophets Exegetical Commentary", "New International Commentary on the Old and New Testament", "New International Greek Testament Commentary", "Paideia Commentaries on the New Testament", "Pillar New Testament Commentary", "Socio-Rhetorical Commentary Series", "Study Guide Commentary Series", "The Book of Isaiah (Young)", "The Hebrew Bible and Its Versions", "Word Biblical Commentary", "Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament") OR mytag:commentary-technical OR (series:"International Critical Commentary" AND pubdate:>1950))
I've updated the first post.
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James Taylor said:
I would find it so useful if the massive category of...
Historical Commentaries (1750-1950)
would be further subdivided into the same categories as the modern such as
I've not attempted to do that personally, but I can see why it might be useful. Having said that, I'm not entirely sure that the technical/intermediate/expository distinction holds good for these historical commentaries, because even 'general readers' tended to be far more highly educated in the classics than today, and because in many circles erudition was far more important than helpful application.
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Where does Matthew Henry fit in to this?
He does not show up in any of my guides.
Thanks
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Relax!
I have found him! , he was hidden in the one volume commentaries, which kind of seems a strange place to have him.
I might move him, where would you have him (unabridged)?
P A
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Mark Barnes said:
I'm not entirely sure that the technical/intermediate/expository distinction holds good for these historical commentaries, because even 'general readers' tended to be far more highly educated in the classics than today, and because in many circles erudition was far more important than helpful application
I understand to an extent, however, just by opening and comparing several of these historical works, many of them are far more technical than others, and I can certainly discern a more sermonic tone in some of them as well. At the very least I need to sort out the more technical ones and place them into an technical/exegetical subdivision.
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Thank you Mark Barnes.
Your collections rules for sorting commentaries have tidied up my commentaries, I have made guides for each collection.
My commentary collections are far less random that they use to be. I have made slight modifications and added the odd stand alone commentary that I think should be in a collection.
I understand that some would like to make further distinctions between historical technical commentaries and the rest. But for me this is not issue as I don't have too many historical technical commentaries. For me the best technical commentaries are the ones that are up to date with the latest scholarship and research.
Overall Mark I think you have done a great job and at the very least this is a good starting point! With the thousands of commentaries available in Logos anything that helps us navigate our libraries is gratefully received!
These commentary collections make so much sense to me!
A big thank you to Mark
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I've updated the intermediate collection rule, to add the Hearing the Message of Scripture Commentary.
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Did you happen to purchase the classic commentaries and studies 2.0 bundle? would be interested in knowing how that would affect your rules.
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I did buy it. All of its contents are already covered by the existing rules. That's partly because most of the books were already in CP commentaruse I'd purchased and accounted for, and partly because I use a publication date in one of the rules. So most of the classic commentaries would end up in the 1750-1950 section anyway.
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I've updated the Expository collection rule, to add Timothy Keller's "God's Word for You" series (e.g. this one on Romans).
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I've just pulled in the works of Barth on sale -- there is one commentary I can find in the set on Luke -- The Great Promise. I'm thinking this should probably go under expository, but I'm not certain. Any ideas?
Russ
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I've updated the rules to add:
- Kregel Exegetical Library (Technical)
- The Moffat New Testament Commentary (Historical Commentaries [1750-1950])
- New Studies in Biblical Theology (Special)
- The Sermon Outline Bible (Expository)
- The Two Horizons New Testament Commentary (Intermediate)
- The Two Horizons Old Testament Commentary (Intermediate)
- The Life and Times of Gideon (Expository)
- Pamphlet Bible Series (Intermediate)
- The People’s Bible: Discourses upon Holy Scripture (Historical Commentaries [1750-1950])
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Thanks guys
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Another minor update to add:
- Myrtlefield Expositions (Intermediate)
- Transformative Word (Expository)
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After some L7 purchases, I've added the following:
- Founders Study Guide Commentary (Intermediate)
- Lexham Geographic Commentary (Background)
- The New Daily Study Bible (Expository)
- Studies in Biblical Theology (Special)
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Hey Mark
thanks for your Work. Where dit you update your Rules? In the first Post from you?
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If you are member of the Faithlife group and downloaded it in the past, do you need to do anything to update?
Agape,
Steve
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Stephen Terlizzi said:
If you are member of the Faithlife group and downloaded it in the past, do you need to do anything to update?
The Collections you downloaded in the past won't stay synced. They're frozen in time at the point you downloaded them, so you have to re-download them after an update (having said that, abondservant, who maintains the Faithlife collections, hasn't had time to update them yet).
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