Collection rules for sorting commentaries (updated for Logos 9 Libraries)
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I've shared these collections publicly and added instructions into the first post:
If you are using Logos 8, you can easily add these collections to your own Logos installation. (1) Go to the Docs menu. (2) Click on Public. (3) Select "Resource Collections" under the type facet. (4) Click the spyglass and search for "barnes" in the filter. (5) When you see my name, click on it. (6) Click on the row of the first collection you're interested in (but don't click on it's name), then CTRL+click on the others (or CTRL+A to select them all). (7) Click on "Add to your docs".
An alternative method, which is simpler but a little slower, and is useful for those not using Logos 8, is to click on each of the links provided in the original post, and then click on "Get Copy".
If I update these collections in the future, Logos 8 users will see a notification in their docs menu which will allow you to easily update the collection to the new rules.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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I've added three more missing series:
- The Books of Kings (and several others by Cyril J. Barber) — Expository
- Commentary on the Gospels — Historical: 1750-1950
- A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments: Commentary — Historical: 1750-1950
I'm interested in any feedback on those using the new shared copies of these collections. Does it work in Logos 7? Is updating them relatively painless?
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:
I've shared these collections publicly and added instructions into the first post:
Mark, this is great. Before I try it (download the new rules), do you know if it will overwrite the manually entered collections I already have, or will I need to go back and delete duplicates?
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JH said:
Mark, this is great. Before I try it (download the new rules), do you know if it will overwrite the manually entered collections I already have, or will I need to go back and delete duplicates?
If you download the new rules it won't overwrite what you already have (because these are new rules as far as Faithlife is concerned). If (later) you click the button to update the rule you have previously downloaded, then it will overwrite that rule.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:
I've added three more missing series:
- The Books of Kings (and several others by Cyril J. Barber) — Expository
- Commentary on the Gospels — Historical: 1750-1950
- A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments: Commentary — Historical: 1750-1950
I'm interested in any feedback on those using the new shared copies of these collections. Does it work in Logos 7? Is updating them relatively painless?
Your new rule for Barber only added the Kings and Judges volumes for me. It didn't pick up the Samuel volumes for some reason so I had to tag them manually
EDIT: I only own the Kings, Samuel and Judges volumes
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Mattillo said:
Your new rule for Barber only added the Kings and Judges volumes for me. It didn't pick up the Samuel volumes for some reason so I had to tag them manually
I noticed that earlier myself, but didn't have time to investigate the reason.
It's a Faithlife metadata bug. His Samuel books are in a series called "The Books of Samuel". However, there's another series with the same name, so Barber's Samuel books end up in the Historical Commentaries collection along with the books from the other Samuel series.
I'll see if I get get Kyle to rename one of the series and then update one of the rules accordingly.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:GaoLu said:
I am unable to copy and paste the entirety of the massive Historical Commentaries (1750-1950) rules into the the collection. The beginning seems to be truncated. Odd?
When editing the existing rule, press CTRL+A to select the whole rule, then paste the new rule in its place.
Thanks, Mark. I realize now that the copy and paste was not actually truncated, but that the cursor behaves so erratically in the Rules field that the text appears truncated and the cursor will not move to the beginning of the pasted text. However, it does actually copy and paste correctly.
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[Y]Thanks Mark for your wonderful collections..
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Mark Barnes said:
It's a Faithlife metadata bug. His Samuel books are in a series called "The Books of Samuel". However, there's another series with the same name, so Barber's Samuel books end up in the Historical Commentaries collection along with the books from the other Samuel series.
This has now been fixed, and I've updated the commentary rules accordingly.
That should give L8 users who have previously added the collections to their account an opportunity to update the collections to the latest version. I'd be grateful to know whether this process works well as I'm not been able to test that myself.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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Mark Barnes said:
This has now been fixed, and I've updated the commentary rules accordingly.
That should give L8 users who have previously added the collections to their account an opportunity to update the collections to the latest version. I'd be grateful to know whether this process works well as I'm not been able to test that myself.
Thanks Mark
I've just updated the Expository Commentary collection from your post on the first page.
Barber's commentary on Samuel didn't show before but it does now.
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Graham Criddle said:
I've just updated the Expository Commentary collection from your post on the first page.
Thanks, Graham. Did you do that by copy/pasting the rule, or by updating from the documents menu? It's the latter process I'm particularly interested in. If that works well, it will stop L8 users having to copy/paste.
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Mark Barnes said:
Did you do that by copy/pasting the rule, or by updating from the documents menu? It's the latter process I'm particularly interested in. If that works well, it will stop L8 users having to copy/paste.
Sorry - I did it by copy / pasting the rule!
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Mark I did it by updating from the documents menu.
Everything worked fine as far as I can tell.
Thank you for sharing some of your genius with others. [:)]
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Mark Barnes said:
That should give L8 users who have previously added the collections to their account an opportunity to update the collections to the latest version. I'd be grateful to know whether this process works well as I'm not been able to test that myself.
Following the 7 step process above, correctly for me, shows only the 2 updates, as expected
- Expository - Today
- 1750 - Yesterday
Which can be added per step 7.
I don't see any other notifications in app of an update.
A few bugs found which I'll explore further in a bit. Notable one is, omitting step 3, I can't use filter to pull up your name, though your name is listed. Adding the type filter allows me to then filter your name.
The 7 step is the only way to see and get the update in Logos. Outside that, using the Get Copy links and updating from there works.
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Thank you Mark. I did the copy/paste as well because I have modified your rules a tad for some parts and I don't want them over-written
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Thanks Mark! You’re a life and time saver! 👍😁👌
DAL
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Thanks Mark, really appreciate all your work on this. It's a great benefit!
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Thanks Mark for all your hard work. It is truly appreciated.
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Hi Mark,
Amazing job. Many thanks. It saves the rest of us many, many hours of work.
I have one question: Based on the steps that I took to download these docs, it seems to imply that the docs become my documents. However, they don't show up when I go to "Docs" & "Yours". Is this intended? How can I find out which documents I downloaded?
Armin
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Another observation: Since adding your collections, I cannot find your name anymore in the author's list. [^o)]
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Armin said:
Based on the steps that I took to download these docs, it seems to imply that the docs become my documents. However, they don't show up when I go to "Docs" & "Yours". Is this intended? How can I find out which documents I downloaded?
Documents should normally be shown in "Yours" once you download them. However, Collections are an exception, because they're not really documents. They should show up instead in the Collections tool.
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I deleted all my existing ones in the tool as per the suggestion in the collections group but now none of yours show up in the public list for me to re-add them. Is there some kind of index or other way to purge them out? I have verified when I edit a passage guide that under collections commentaries, none of them show up there as well.
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danwdoo said:
I deleted all my existing ones in the tool as per the suggestion in the collections group but now none of yours show up in the public list for me to re-add them. Is there some kind of index or other way to purge them out? I have verified when I edit a passage guide that under collections commentaries, none of them show up there as well.
If you deleted ones that I shared directly, it's possible there may be a bug. It appears as though Logos thinks you've downloaded them already, and therefore prevents you from seeing them in the Tool (probably because they're still in "Deleted".
I think Faithlife will need to comment on this. I'll file a bug report.
PS - The note in the Collections group was intended to suggest you delete ones that had previously been shared in the Collections Group. They were my rules, but had been shared by another user (with my agreement), and weren't being kept up to date. Deleting those certainly shouldn't have prevented you from seeing mine in the documents menu.
This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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danwdoo said:
I deleted all my existing ones in the tool as per the suggestion in the collections group but now none of yours show up in the public list for me to re-add them. Is there some kind of index or other way to purge them out? I have verified when I edit a passage guide that under collections commentaries, none of them show up there as well.
I believe this is a bug. Also without deleting them, I can no longer find them in the list of public collections.
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Many many thanks Mark
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It seems odd that the Faithlife Study Bible and the ESV Study Bible don't seem to fit in any of these collections. They both are of Bible Notes type.
I certainly employ them like commentaries when I am looking for comments on Biblical text. In fact, in one of my synthetic searches that I employed in order to prioritize commentaries, the Faithlife Study Bible fell into the top three on my synthetic topic.
In my reading I was taken aback reading that David had images in his rooms which Michal was able to use to make it look like he was in his bed, ESV 1 SAM 19:13. The commentary I had open simply explained that the "image" was the representation of a pagan god, but did not note that it seemed to be out of place in David's living quarters and that it harked back to the bad influence of Michal on David's spiritual standing. I decided to examine all of the commentary resources in my current library to see who pointed out this discrepancy. Very few even blinked. Most didn't even mention the image, at all. The FSB was one of the few which put flesh on the story.
So should the Collections be adjusted, or should I just add the study Bibles in manually? Of the resources in my Library of Type:"Bible Notes", The Lexham SYNTACTIC GREEK NEW TESTAMENT entries are the only ones I would manually delete. The rest are normal study Bibles.
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David A Egolf said:
It seems odd that the Faithlife Study Bible and the ESV Study Bible don't seem to fit in any of these collections. They both are of Bible Notes type.
This is my "Study Bible" collection:
type:"bible notes" AND title:("study bible","reference bible","geneva bible: notes","net bible","evidence bible","life principles")
"reference bible" finds: Scofield Reference Bible
"net bible" finds: The NET Bible First Edition Notes
"evidence bible" finds: The Evidence Bible
"life principles" finds: Life Principles Bible0 -
David A Egolf said:
So should the Collections be adjusted, or should I just add the study Bibles in manually?
The collections include a rule for a tag e.g. {MyTag "commentary-one-volume"}, so I would apply the appropriate tag to the study bibles.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks Mark for the commentary collections. I've found them very useful. I have even created multiple groups of them, after having rated commentaries by 3, 4 or 5 stars. By adding a ratings filter to the end of the collection rules, I have arranged into groups of Best ( AND rating:=5), Good ( AND rating:=4) and other ( AND rating:<4). That way, I see the best technical, intermediate, expository collections of commentaries at the top of my passage guide, and the good ones further down, then other collections. I had them grouped by best, good, etc beforehand, but adding your collection rules for some time now it has been much easier to go to the best and most appropriate commentaries for Bible study. The list of collections is longer, but I find it very helpful. I mention this in case this might be of interest to anyone else too. Thanks again.
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