Best mobile platform win xp or android
I am something of a nerd and I have the following ; 7 and 10" windows tablets and nd 7 and 10" android tablets. I love using Android logos on the 10" tablet. The text size increase over the 7" makes it much easier to read. When I first got Logos I tried to load it into my 10" win7 tablet (1.33 ghz. Processer,2 gb ram ,32 gb ssd.) And it just choked. Now it may be that I didn't get a chance to index everything, or maybe the little computer didn't have enough horse power to make it run. Does anyone have any thoughts on what the minimum computer requirements would be to make it run and...
Since I am new to LOGOS, I mainly use my portables at church...what would be the pros and cons of using the windows vs android version of the software in following a sermon , looking up and going back and forth between verses and then saving all of that so that I can go back to it and study it later on?
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Paul Watson said:
what would be the pros and cons of using the windows vs android version of the software
- Logos only has a crippled "mobile" app for windows. The only real option for windows users is to run Logos 5 on a full desktop powered device such as the Surface Pro. An "RT" level device will not run Logos.
- The "mobile" apps for Android (or iOS) allow users to download resources to read, highlight, and take notes offline. There are some other features (such as the passage guide) which can be run online only.
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Just trying to clarify, I think he said Win7 on a 1.33g tablet with an SSD (but the header said 'XP' so I'm a little confused).
The 1.33g would have been a problem (typical of netbooks). But the SSD would have offset the difference if the SSD was reasonbly fast. Indexing would have been slow.
Going with Alabama's points, a decent Windows tablet (speed/SSD), if you can afford it, is your best choice. After that, if you like Android-Logos, there's your answer. I use both L5 on a W7 tablet (Lenovo) plus my iPad, with 99% of my Logos reading on the iPad.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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A 32 GB SSD would only be large enough for the smallest of libraries.
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> Logos only has a crippled "mobile'"app for windows.
I wonder why. The latest statcounter numbers show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices over the last year. I wonder what the plan is for a Logos app on Win8? (Sorry. I know the topic is about Win vs. Android mobile, but I just happened to see this -- and was wondering.)
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David Brown said:
I wonder why. The latest statcounter numbers show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices over the last year. I wonder what the plan is for a Logos app on Win8?
I have no idea what you are talking about... and I would love to see those numbers for clarification. However, this is about MOBILE operating systems. Logos DOES make an app for "Win8." It is called "Logos 5." It does not run on "RT" devices, which certainly do not have any significant market share.
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David Brown said:
> Logos only has a crippled "mobile'"app for windows.
I wonder why. The latest statcounter numbers show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices over the last year. I wonder what the plan is for a Logos app on Win8?
It comes down to the fact that many consumers shy away from the "modern app"/Metro interface and the tablets that only run apps in that interface. If you have a tablet with full Windows 8 you can run Logos 5 on the desktop interface! Microsoft are building a new version of Windows because they see that the market has rejected their vision of the "modern app" supplanting desktop applications.
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Sorry for being the root of confusion... I have (3) ultra mobile PC's made by a company called Villiv that you have probably never heard of. 1 is a 7" screen that is running windows XP, another 7" is running windows 7 and a 10" is running windows 7. I see now that all of them are to underpowrered to do anything with Logos. I have a 2.4ghz 4 core i7 with 8gb of ram and indexing can bring it down to a crawl. . I wonder what people who use Logos professionally or have large libraries use to run it. You could almost justify getting a gaming computer system .
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My AMD octocore does just fine.
I suspect its not your processor, but instead your hard drive. Upgrading to an SSD should improve your response time dramatically.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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2 GB RAM is too little to run Logos well, You need minimum 3 GB and Windows 7 32-bit, even that is rather little. Dual core is slower in general. Indexing is much slower on dual core than triple or quad core.
I wouldn't try to run Logos 5 with a tiny monitor.
If You want a fast computer, the least You can do is to copy everything from the old hard drive to a hybrid drive or SSD. That's not cheap but makes a difference.
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In 37 minutes Microsoft begins their presentation on Windows 9. Everyone is expecting it to be good news for both desktop and mobile users. Let's hope Logos users benefit the most
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alabama24 said:
You mean Windows OS X, right?
From the first photo on the page? The '10' designation and its rumoured upgrade policy has attracted comparisons to the Mac OS X designation & upgrades, so MS continues to confirm its lack of originality!
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All kidding aside, I think Windows 10 looks solid. It looks like what Windows 8 should have been in the first place.
Depending upon cost (I don't think it will be completely free for all users), I might pick up a copy to run with boot camp.
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I should finally be able to stop the nagging reminder that updating to 8.1 is free!
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Sorry, go to http://gs.statcounter.com/, select Operating System, All Platforms.
So I still don't understand the "wait for market share" comment from Logos. Eventually more of those 1.5 billion Windows users will have a version of Windows that supports Windows Store Apps (the Modern UI), whether on a Phone, Tablet or Desktop. (The One Product Family, One Platform, One Store message, right?) But even now Win8 show 14% market share for all devices. Isn't that enough to write a Logos Windows Store App? Just curious.
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David Brown said:
So I still don't understand the "wait for market share" comment from Logos.
As I wrote in your other thread, the stats you are showing include desktop. You are asking about a mobile app... so you need to show mobile stats. [;)]
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David Brown said:
Eventually more of those 1.5 billion Windows users will have a version of Windows that supports Windows Store Apps
Right now, 99% of those Windows users can run Logos 5 or Logos 4 (although, admittedly, Logos 4 is unsupported). We're already serving the vast majority of the market without writing a Windows Store app.
The current message from Microsoft ("you can write a new app that runs on a tiny fraction of Windows devices but you can't reuse much of your existing code and, given our Silverlight and Windows Phone track record, you can't be confident that this new platform will even be supported in a few years") isn't very compelling for developers.
David Brown said:(The One Product Family, One Platform, One Store message, right?)
That doesn't exist right now. May it will in the future.
Very few details about Windows 10 are available from Microsoft right now, so we don't have enough information to decide—let alone publicly discuss—how we'll support Microsoft's new platforms.
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I am sorry for the length of this post, but it seems in only in this forum maybe once every two years. Also there will be less need to be here in the future as I shifted my book fund over to another Bible study app earlier this year that does have a Windows Store App and supports x86, x64, and ARM, so I'm not as concerned about a Logos app now. But I think something is being missed.
In the discussion about whether or not Logos will develop a Windows Store Logos app it is often brought up that "Windows is just 3% of the market and dropping". I don't see this "Windows is just 3% of the market and dropping", unless you look at only the mobile (phone) market. It is dropping despite increasing in sales because of the expanding market. But mobile isn't everything. In fact, mobile plus tablets isn't either.
No one that I know of doubts the importance of the mobile computing market (phones and tablets). But when I look at the data and see that Windows has 60% to Android 17% and iOS 12% across all devices, mobile included, I cannot help but think that 1) there sure must be a lot of non-Apple/Android devices out there, and 2) Microsoft is far from dead. (To the post referring to just mobile numbers, are you remembering that Windows 8 is mobile too? Don't put Windows just in the category of desktop.)
First, let me comment on mobile. Mobile computing is very important. I use my (Windows) smartphone more than my tablet. I even have a spare in the living room without a data plan for WiFi surfing and Xbox Glass TV control. The only time I use my WiFi-only tablet is when out of the office. (Both my tablet and Kindle are WiFi only, out of choice.) The smartphone is always available, always on, and always connected. I reach for it first most of the time for web searches and simple note taking. A significant number of people don't need anything more than a mobile device now. So mobile is significant.
But mobile does not cut it for content creation. Same for the tablet unless you extend it with external devices. Mobile isn't everything. At least not yet, and I don't see how it could with the types of interfaces we have at present.
What's my point? 1) Mobile is still a smaller part of the whole market. 2) Microsoft is far from dead. 3) There are a lot of people who have Win8 that can run Windows Store Apps. 4) There are people who don't want to live in 3 or 4 different "walled gardens" with an Apple ID, and Google ID, and Microsoft ID, and an Amazon ID, and whatever else comes along.
There are around 1.5 billion Windows users (to use the same kind of numbers that every other vendor uses). There are currently maybe 150 million Windows 8 users who can run Windows Store apps. So Microsoft handled mobile poorly. So 99% of Windows users can use the current desktop Logos. Does that mean these users who can run Windows Store apps (and I am one of them) are not worth the time? Ok. I get it. That is why I am switching to a vendor who does see the value is support this growing user base. Yes, I'll continue to have Logos on my triple-monitor, 8 GB RAM, Xeon workstation for serious research, but my lighter, mobile use will be with another vendor. So be it.
One last comment on "the development cost is too high". So what about Intel versus ARM and development costs to support ARM? May I offer a few points?
- Logos has experience on ARM already with iWhatevers and other devices.
- Logs has .NET Framework experience.
- .NET Framework is available on ARM. Logos would not be writing in assembler, correct? Yes, there are a few things to watch for in writing code for this, as in the memory model with multithreaded programs, and tighter data alignment requirements, plus build differences, but it is still .NET Framework.
- .NET has been on ARM for at least ten years that I know of anyway, with Windows CE .NET, so this is nothing new, and you may already have someone with experience in this.
- There is another Bible study app that I use on my Windows tablet that supports x86, x64, and ARM. From the blog notes for this product it does not seem that moving to ARM was too hard.
May I suggest that you assign a very good Windows/.NET programmer to test this out?
I'll be watching my e-mail for any Windows Store app product announcement, but I am sorry that I have had to change direction, at least for now.
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The point made is that continuity is an issue. Microsoft has a long history with mobile devices and version x program will be totally incompatible with version y. We were also told that the Logos Program is not compatible with the Windows store one model, to redo the program makes no sense. Logos only recently (Logos 4) basically did a complete rewrite they used what MS told them was to be the new standard only to find out their new standard was to be abandoned. Years latter MS is promoting their one APP option, it makes sense and if Logos was a new APP maybe it would make sense. Do not forget us mac users paid for our program. Logos 1 for the mac was not a free engine like the windows side, but a program that had to be purchased, so yes Logos might devote many hours/people to it and try to recover costs via a sales option, but again as pointed out MOST of those customers can already download and use the existing desktop version free so will you pay for something that is free?
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