Master Journal Bundle (1001 vols.) No Dynamic Pricing
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Geo Philips said:
I also have volumes 1-15 but the price I am seeing only gives me a $85 discount. Is that what everyone else is seeing? (I also do not have Themelios yet).
We're working out a few kinks with dynamic pricing for this product right now. Sorry for this. Thanks for your patience. Your pre-order price should update on its own as soon as we get things squared away.
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Another one I hope to see is:
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Sarel Slabbert said:
I am not sure what discount I am getting, but my price now is: $333.85. Still expensive!
Keep in mind that Galaxie journals were typically priced at $1/vol. (e.g., 50 volumes for $50). The price in the Master Journal Bundle is half of that at $0.50/vol., while it's on Pre-Pub. And we're bringing these to our high standards of excellence with deep interlinking and rich tagging, which will enable some really cool features we have in the works.
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Mark said:
This is why a chart highlighting what we have and what this set will give to us is important.
Agreed. It's a high priority for us.
Mark said:So a question is whether all that is offered in this MJB will be offered individually as well. If we order the MJB, we obviously would need to cancel one or more prepubs.
Yes. We will be offering most if not all of the parts of this bundle separately by journal for those who just want to pick and choose.
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Why did you guys increased the price? (It used to be lowered yesterday)
also why is my prepub price so expensive, when i already paid $500 for 1-15 and logos sells this one more than $300 for less resources.
it doesnt seem that $300+ is the right prepub price for those who own the original 1-15.
I'll pass on this one.
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Mike - it doesn't include every title from the TJL 1-15, and in that setup, we paid 1$ a volume, whereas here its more like .50$ a volume. It does have a number of other sets not included in TJL - such as the princeton journals, biblical archeological review, and some others that are quite interesting.
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David Sloan said:
So what happens to the pricing when more journals are added? Will the cost of the "Master Bundle" increase? Will those of us who already purchased it get these?
We'll release a new version of this product, and it's price will be adjusted in proportion to the amount of new content added. With dynamic pricing, you'll be able to purchase it and get just the new content.
David Sloan said:Also, I know there was a deal going on a while ago about upgrading to Logos 5 and getting bundles at 50% off. Is that deal still going on and is this bundle part of that deal?
This product is not a part of our topical bundles family, so the special discounts won't apply. It's already deeply discounted on Pre-Pub, and this is probably the best deal you're going to see.
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It has Princeton in it!!!! Copying to the Reformed Forum!
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Mark Smith said:
Wow. I have TJL 1-16, Semeia, Themelios, JBL and my price is $291??? Only $200 off
As I mentioned elsewhere, we're working out some kinks in dynamic pricing for this product. It should be sorted out soon. I'd expect your price will go down as soon as we get that resolve. Sorry for the frustration.
Mark Smith said:What this is is an attempt to publish a bunch of journals that have languished on Pre-pub and Community Pricing. Journals obviously most of us do not want.
That's not our attempt. We're building the biggest collection of journals we can, because that's what we believe the market wants. And the early sales numbers indicate that we're correct. If that's not you, that's fine. We'll be releasing these by journal as well. We're also going to explore other collections based on feedback we receive (e.g., theological vs. academic; conservative vs. progressive).
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Phil, did you guys increase the price overnight? it used to be $230 or something for me yesterday when I was thinking about buying it, now it jumped $100 higher. (or am I hallucinating?)
What's going on? I want my lower price from yesterday.
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This morning my dynamic price was $240, now it is $293.
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David Sloan said:
Hmm... usually when I buy something and then buy a larger collection later with dynamic pricing I pay a lot more than if I had just waited for the larger collection. I wonder if I should wait then.
The price per volume will likely stay about the same, so that shouldn't be the case. (Actually, we may not even match this introductory low price per volume in the future. We'll almost certainly not beat it.) It's only the case when you buy something in a small collection with a higher price per volume, which is also available in a larger collection at a lower price per volume. I wouldn't wait.
David Sloan said:There are some nice additions here, but the absence of JETS and TynBul is huge.
We're working hard on these.
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I think mine actually went down by 13$... happy to see that, keep that price dropping
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Jonathan said:
It also looks like we will be paying hand over fist to get the journals we were paying a mere $50/year with Galaxie.
I'm not sure I following this. If you bought each of the 16 TJL bundles for $50 each year as they were released, you'd have paid a total of $800. You'd have gotten 800 volumes of journals at $1 each. What we're offering here is 1,000 volumes of journals priced at $0.50 each. So we're actually charging less per volume.
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The journals that I want most are Vetus Testamentum and Novum Testamentum. I don't think anything is a important...for this reason...
There is also a supplement to these...Logos needs to get them asap.
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I ordered the prepub this morning for $256, when I check now you have increased the cost to over $300 and have actually increased my authorised order to this higher $300 price.
If I do nothing now you will be charging my credit card for over $50 more than I agreed, how can you even possibly think that this is ethical?
If the price has gone up then tell me, cancel my preorder and invite me to agree to the higher price but you cannot increase the agreement without even asking me.
Do I have to check all my orders to make sure you are not adding to what I had agreed to, this is seriously dodgy behaviour. What is going on?
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About 11AM CST my price showed as $223.48. During the process of buying it changed to $254.35. So I cancelled that order. On the web page after that time was still $254.35. So I replaced the order at $254.35. Shucks.
EDit: I just checked the order. They have changed it now to $270.64. ????? I don't think I like this. Perhaps we should all wait until they get this settled!
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Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
Wow. I have TJL 1-16, Semeia, Themelios, JBL and my price is $291??? Only $200 off
As I mentioned elsewhere, we're working out some kinks in dynamic pricing for this product. It should be sorted out soon. I'd expect your price will go down as soon as we get that resolve. Sorry for the frustration.
Well it went from $291 to $338.
Phil Gons said:That's not our attempt. We're building the biggest collection of journals we can, because that's what we believe the market wants.
Well that is yet to be proven, given that a number of these journals have languished in pre-pub and CP. Not sure where you are getting your market data.
For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
(BTW: offering a small bundle would also demonstrate that you are not trying to use those of us who purchased the Galaxie journals faithfully over the years to get some more journals published at our expense rather than yours. (And if you are so sure of your market data why wouldn't Logos just publish these new journals at their expense and reap the profits you must be envisioning? Skip pre-pub and CP and just publish them. Have a sale when they are first released if you want to get your development costs back faster.))
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Phil Gons said:
That's not our attempt. We're building the biggest collection of journals we can, because that's what we believe the market wants. And the early sales numbers indicate that we're correct. If that's not you, that's fine. We'll be releasing these by journal as well. We're also going to explore other collections based on feedback we receive (e.g., theological vs. academic; conservative vs. progressive).
I honestly find this disingenuous. As a forum we have almost unanimously stated that we would rather have Galaxie's versions that nothing; we have stated what resources we would like to see; and there has been nothing but "wait and see" from Logos as far as communication goes. If indeed your are attempting to give users what they are asking for why was there no release of TJL in the past two years to placate us in the meantime; why was there not more communication?
This is a strong response. If I am wrong, I will quickly make amends.
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Everett Headley said:
1. There are far too many missing editions for this to be worth what the price, even with dynamic pricing.
I don't think this is an issue of pricing the collection too expensively. It's actually a phenomenal deal. It's a matter of some not having interest in some of the journals included. As I mentioned elsewhere, we're considering some other smaller collections based on what some of you are interested in.
Everett Headley said:2. As others say, I see this as a ploy to produce that which CP bidders have said they don't want.
That's not the case. We've included some things in here precisely because there is very high demand for them. Our goal was to make something comprehensive, which is what lots of customers want.
Everett Headley said:3. This is far too large a bundle for me, who owns multiple TJLs.
We're exploring some smaller, more focused bundles.
Everett Headley said:4. The Journals I want, listed by many in above posts, are not there.
We're working to add them. We're sorry they're not included yet.
Everett Headley said:5. This is quite the let down if this is what Logos was trying to talk up as exciting for new journals in our library.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Many others don't and have quickly pre-ordered the collection.
Everett Headley said:6. I feel I need to say it again since NO ONE at Logos has ever directly respond to me about it: Allowing our journal access to languish for 2 years while we could have had Galaxie's version in the meantime more than smacks of greed and control on Logos' part.
We're sorry it's taken a while and that we don't have full coverage yet. To my knowledge, there was no greed involved in what's transpired. Our desire is to build the best possible product, and we decided this was a necessary step to achieve that. Of course we want people to buy our products, but there was no attempt to control or manipulate anyone into buying our product over another format. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I assure you that was not our intent.
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John Fidel said:
Perhaps there will be a way to upgrade by journal or by smaller bundles more aligned to those of us used to the TJL in the future.
Individually, yes. We're also exploring smaller collections.
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Phil: What about the titles that are in both this package, and for which we also have pre-pub orders. Will those cancel automatically, like with some of the base packages? Or will they need to be manually canceled?
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Phil Gons said:Everett Headley said:
5. This is quite the let down if this is what Logos was trying to talk up as exciting for new journals in our library.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Many others don't and have quickly pre-ordered the collection
(My bolding added)
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abondservant said:
Surprised not to see the Southeastern Review in there - seems like it should be easy enough to get.
abondservant said:Thanks for the suggestions.
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Could you address why you are increasing credit card authorisations without consent?
Do you at least agree that this is wrong?
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It appears he is answering posts in the order they were made... He'll catch up soon. There are more of us posting, than can be easily kept up with.Mike Pettit said:Could you address why you are increasing credit card authorisations without consent?
Do you at least agree that this is wrong?
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mike said:
Why did you guys increased the price? (It used to be lowered yesterday)
We're working out some kinks with dynamic pricing. We'll notify you when we're finished. I'd not pay too close attention to the price until we finish.
mike said:also why is my prepub price so expensive, when i already paid $500 for 1-15 and logos sells this one more than $300 for less resources.
I think your numbers are off. This collection has more content at a lower price per volume.
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I agree that the bundle is a good deal. I would have been willing to pay that much for the Princeton journal alone. However, I do not like this changing of prices all over the place, unless they are going down and not up.
My dynamic price was $223.48. My order went in at $254.35, And now the order has been changed to $270.64.
I also made an order for my wife's account and got a price of $363.54. That order has now changed to $372.59.
So this is now all experimental. We should just wait on the orders until things stabilize. This great product was released too soon to have a good customer response!
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David Paul said:
The journals that I want most are Vetus Testamentum and Novum Testamentum.
Thanks for the suggestion. These are on our list.
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Mike Pettit said:
I ordered the prepub this morning for $256, when I check now you have increased the cost to over $300 and have actually increased my authorised order to this higher $300 price.
If I do nothing now you will be charging my credit card for over $50 more than I agreed, how can you even possibly think that this is ethical?
If the price has gone up then tell me, cancel my preorder and invite me to agree to the higher price but you cannot increase the agreement without even asking me.
Do I have to check all my orders to make sure you are not adding to what I had agreed to, this is seriously dodgy behaviour. What is going on?
As I've mentioned throughout this thread, we're working out some kinks with dynamic pricing right now. Please ignore the price until we get thinks ironed out and I notify you that things are all set.
We will notify everyone who has placed a pre-order so far to give them the chance to cancel if they don't approve of the price.
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Mark Smith said:
For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
We're exploring this.
Mark Smith said:(And if you are so sure of your market data why wouldn't Logos just publish these new journals at their expense and reap the profits you must be envisioning? Skip pre-pub and CP and just publish them. Have a sale when they are first released if you want to get your development costs back faster.)
We've tried this in a past, and it seems that the excitement around the Pre-Pub system makes for a more successful release of a new product.
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Phil Gons said:Mike Pettit said:
I ordered the prepub this morning for $256, when I check now you have increased the cost to over $300 and have actually increased my authorised order to this higher $300 price.
If I do nothing now you will be charging my credit card for over $50 more than I agreed, how can you even possibly think that this is ethical?
If the price has gone up then tell me, cancel my preorder and invite me to agree to the higher price but you cannot increase the agreement without even asking me.
Do I have to check all my orders to make sure you are not adding to what I had agreed to, this is seriously dodgy behaviour. What is going on?
As I've mentioned throughout this thread, we're working out some kinks with dynamic pricing right now. Please ignore the price until we get thinks ironed out and I notify you that things are all set.
We will notify everyone who has placed a pre-order so far to give them the chance to cancel if they don't approve of the price.
I cannot believe that you think that this is acceptable on any level, next time you are missing your targets why not increase the prices that people have authorised in the hope that people will not notice, after all it apparently does not really matter. Of course you can change your pricing before a contract has been entered into, but you cannot increase a credit card authorisation without explicit agreement. Here you are suggesting that implicit agreement is enough, this is not ethical and probably not even legal.
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Dynamic Pricing is does not give credit for all the journals I own. I asked my sale rep to generate a report to compare titles and the report he generated says I own 36.76% of the journals, this is shorting me by 15.49%. I own 523 out of the 1001 journals which is 52.25%.
I think we all need to sit back for a while and let Logos sort this out. Something seriously wrong is going on here with Dynamic Pricing.
Even then I think we should all ask for reports so we can compare title by title so we know we are getting full credit.
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Phil Gons said:Jonathan said:
It also looks like we will be paying hand over fist to get the journals we were paying a mere $50/year with Galaxie.
I'm not sure I following this. If you bought each of the 16 TJL bundles for $50 each year as they were released, you'd have paid a total of $800. You'd have gotten 800 volumes of journals at $1 each. What we're offering here is 1,000 volumes of journals priced at $0.50 each. So we're actually charging less per volume.
This isn't hard to understand. I can buy 6 YEARS worth of Galaxie updates for what you are charging me today. Sure you throw in a lot of other stuff, but Galaxie did this little by little every year as well. Galaxie also included certain recent journals (i.e. more valuable than old or public domain works) that you're missing in these sets.
The way this entire ordeal has been handled has been very, very disappointing.
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Jonathan said:
Galaxie also included certain recent journals (i.e. more valuable than old or public domain works)
I feel sorry for those who see no value in the giants of the faith who preceded us. Just because something is newer does not make it more valuable or more correct.
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I see this product if currently not available for purchase as they fix things.
On another issue, The Princeton Review years of publication are out of whack. I'm not sure if the years are wrong or if they are counted by issue rather than each year being a volume but the list also begins and ends with 1878.
Also for BibSac the heading says that it contains 171 volumes but it covers vols 1-183 so that should be fixed. That will also change the total, depending on what The Princeton Review is.
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Super.Tramp said:Jonathan said:
Galaxie also included certain recent journals (i.e. more valuable than old or public domain works)
I feel sorry for those who see no value in the giants of the faith who preceded us. Just because something is newer does not make it more valuable or more correct.
I am one who appreciates the giants. None-the-less newer material is exactly what is suitable for a journal. Often what was of great value in older journals has been incorporated into more recent studies and books. I'm not against owning it, but my experience has been that I benefit from newer journals more than older ones. Newer for me probably means since about 1970 or so. I consult them for newer trends, new topics, and the analysis of newer ideas. Sometimes these things haven't made it into books or never will.
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Super.Tramp said:Jonathan said:
Galaxie also included certain recent journals (i.e. more valuable than old or public domain works)
I feel sorry for those who see no value in the giants of the faith who preceded us. Just because something is newer does not make it more valuable or more correct.
You are misrepresenting my point.
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Keith Larson said:
Dynamic Pricing is does not give credit for all the journals I own. I asked my sale rep to generate a report to compare titles and the report he generated says I own 36.76% of the journals, this is shorting me by 15.49%. I own 523 out of the 1001 journals which is 52.25%.
Keith, it's important to keep resources and their prices separate. Resource values vary in a collection. So owning half of the collection's resources isn't necessarily the same as owning half of the collections cumulative value. You might own more; you might own less. Dynamic pricing isn't concerned with the number of resources you own. It's concerned with the amount of the value of the collection you already own. Let's say this collection has $10,000 worth of cumulative value. If you own half of the resources, you don't necessarily own $5,000 worth of value. It could be more; it could be less. It depends on which resources you own.
Keith Larson said:Something seriously wrong is going on here with Dynamic Pricing.
The mechanics of dynamic pricing are working as they should. The prices for some of the individual resources are either missing or incorrect, which is causing the calculations to be off. As soon as we have them all corrected and plugged in, everything will be fine. Thanks for your patience.
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Well, while we wait for an answer on the dynamic computation, for anyone interested in just the archaeological / language stuff, my computations show maybe 50% off of pre-pub+existing. That's presuming Logos' earlier dynamic pricing quotes (which didn't appear to be significantly off for me) and includes only the archaeological stuff (treating the rest as a write-down).
I'm not entirely surely apples to apples, since the date sorts are mixed up and trying make sure which range of dates are involved isn't easy.
Now, how long we'd have to wait in development ...
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Phil Gons said:Keith Larson said:
Dynamic Pricing is does not give credit for all the journals I own. I asked my sale rep to generate a report to compare titles and the report he generated says I own 36.76% of the journals, this is shorting me by 15.49%. I own 523 out of the 1001 journals which is 52.25%.
Keith, it's important to keep resources and their prices separate. Resource values vary in a collection. So owning half of the collection's resources isn't necessarily the same as owning half of the collections cumulative value. You might own more; you might own less. Dynamic pricing isn't concerned with the number of resources you own. It's concerned with the amount of the value of the collection you already own. Let's say this collection has $10,000 worth of cumulative value. If you own half of the resources, you don't necessarily own $5,000 worth of value. It could be more; it could be less. It depends on which resources you own.
Keith Larson said:Something seriously wrong is going on here with Dynamic Pricing.
The mechanics of dynamic pricing are working as they should. The prices for some of the individual resources are either missing or incorrect, which is causing the calculations to be off. As soon as we have them all corrected and plugged in, everything will be fine. Thanks for your patience.
Thanks for the answer. Looking at the report again it does not specify what the percent is referring to. Doing the math I now see it is in reference to the price.
Question. If we don't purchase this bundle, will the volumes I already own still but updated? Some of those Journals I not to attractive to me.
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I've been away from the forums for most of the day but it seems like lots has happened. I was considering this bundle but it looks like it has temporarily been removed as they sort out the details. I'm looking forward to seeing the end result.
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Good Grief. Seems to me Logos is trying to straighten this out, and I guess they kind of need the help of people to know how its working out. So the reader feedback is a good thing. Maybe Logos got all excited and jumped the gun a bit by going public with the offering when they should have waited a few days, but can you blame them?
Good grief. I had a great price yesterday and passed it up for no reason. But now I realize my credit card might have been charged anything. Yikes! Of course, Logos hasn't actually charged anyone anything yet and isn't at high risk of doing so really soon. Worse yet, now i get no price at all!
Good grief. Let the dust settle a little. This isn't the OK corral. Judging by the rate of progress and the reader feedback, I think we have time to regroup, rethink and for posters to reload.
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Gao Lu said:
I think we have time to regroup, rethink and for posters to reload.
What is there to think about?
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If we want to buy this Bundle or not. I do.
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Has anyone reviewed the detail of the bundle to see how many current Pre-pub and CP product orders could be cancelled if one buys the total bundle. I have reviewed the CP Princeton Theological Review (443 issues) and it appears that everything in it is covered.
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I thought I was paying $361--not a bad deal for me, but then when I bought it I got this--for free!. Sorry y'all. You snooze you lose!
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Oh grrrr. I rejoiced too soon. Now I see my order is $382.41...well, we shall see.
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Phil Gons said:
We will notify everyone who has placed a pre-order so far to give them the chance to cancel if they don't approve of the price.
If we already pre-ordered it at one price, shouldn't that price be honored? I know our card was not charged, but is there not some form of agreement that Logos should honor here?
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