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Phil Gons said:abondservant said:
Surprised not to see the Southeastern Review in there - seems like it should be easy enough to get.
abondservant said:Thanks for the suggestions.
By the way, I created another thread with my suggestions, which are what I would consider the top 20 academic biblical studies journals: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/91539.aspx
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Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
We're exploring this.
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David Sloan said:
If we already pre-ordered it at one price, shouldn't that price be honored? I know our card was not charged, but is there not some form of agreement that Logos should honor here?
We're not going to be able to ship the product in the state in which you ordered it. We'll most likely cancel all orders and invite you to reorder once we get all the details worked out. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Mike Pettit said:
I cannot believe that you think that this is acceptable on any level, next time you are missing your targets why not increase the prices that people have authorised in the hope that people will not notice, after all it apparently does not really matter. Of course you can change your pricing before a contract has been entered into, but you cannot increase a credit card authorisation without explicit agreement. Here you are suggesting that implicit agreement is enough, this is not ethical and probably not even legal.
Mike, the very nature of dynamically priced Pre-Pubs is that the price is subject to change at any time without notice between when you place your pre-order and when the product ships. There are three things that can cause the price to change:
- Your ownership of included content increases by your purchasing something included in the product after you place your pre-order and before it ships. In this case, your price would decrease.
- Your ownership of included content decreases by your returning or transferring something included in the product after you place your pre-order and before it ships. In this case, your price would increase.
- The list price of one or more pieces within the collection changes. In this case, your price could increase or decrease depending on (1) whether the value increased or decreased and (2) whether you own it or not.
We spec'd the system to have all the appropriate disclaimers, so you'd be aware of the potential for your price to change. I'll have the team investigate to make sure those disclaimers were integrated appropriately.
In this case, many of the included items didn't have prices at all. Some had incorrect prices. The product was set up incorrectly, and I'm sorry it managed to ship in the state that it did. We're fixing that. Our current plan is to cancel all orders and invite everyone to re-place their pre-order.
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Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
We're exploring this.
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs? I thought about a bundle for archaeology and another for ministry, but I don't think we have enough in those categories yet. Maybe in the future.
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Keith Larson said:
Question. If we don't purchase this bundle, will the volumes I already own still but updated?
Absolutely.
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I noticed Table Talk wasn't in the master bundle, assuming that was tied to licensing?Phil Gons said:Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
We're exploring this.
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs? I thought amount a bundle for archaeology and another for ministry, but I don't think we have enough in those categories yet. Maybe in the future.
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Jonathan said:
This isn't hard to understand. I can buy 6 YEARS worth of Galaxie updates for what you are charging me today. Sure you throw in a lot of other stuff, but Galaxie did this little by little every year as well. Galaxie also included certain recent journals (i.e. more valuable than old or public domain works) that you're missing in these sets.
It initially sounded to me like you thought that collection price wasn't appropriate for the value of content we're delivering. Now it sounds like your main concern is the price you have to pay just to get the TJL journals (which entails getting a bunch of stuff you don't want). You may be happy to know that we'll likely create a TJL Upgrade Bundle, which will include only journals that were in the TJL products. Will this meet your needs?
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abondservant said:
I noticed Table Talk wasn't in the master bundle, assuming that was tied to licensing?
Good call. I'll have to check on that. We tended to exclude most magazines, unless they were more like journals. I think Tabletalk could make the cut. I'll have to check on the license to see if there are bundling restrictions. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Phil Gons said:Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
We're exploring this.
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs? I thought about a bundle for archaeology and another for ministry, but I don't think we have enough in those categories yet. Maybe in the future.
looking forward to the new bundles. Works for me.
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Everett Headley said:
I honestly find this disingenuous. As a forum we have almost unanimously stated that we would rather have Galaxie's versions that nothing; we have stated what resources we would like to see; and there has been nothing but "wait and see" from Logos as far as communication goes. If indeed your are attempting to give users what they are asking for why was there no release of TJL in the past two years to placate us in the meantime; why was there not more communication?
I'm not sure what you're looking for here. All of this was about building the best possible journals in our format to enable lots of great new functionality we have planned. We decided it would be best to build them ourselves. Our rich tagging is becoming more important all the time, and without that tagging journals won't function in the software the way we want them to. We've been working hard to acquire licenses to all the journals in TJL, and we'll continue to do so. What additional communication were you looking for?
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Phil Gons said:Phil Gons said:
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs?.
This looks like a reasonable approach to me. It is great that you are adding other journals, but having options is important. This also enables an apples to apples comparison. Worst case we can continue with the journal selection that we currently have.
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Phil Gons said:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
I really dislike the name of the Theological and Academic Journal Bundle, and it gives the impression that Theology is not Academic, or that the ETS audience not academic but the SBL audience is. (And, in my academic studies I used very few of the journals that would end up in the academic bundle - because you have very few flagship academic biblical studies journals apart from JBL).
I think it's good to make a distinction between these two groups, but I don't think the labelling is right. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion as an alternative, as I understand why you've rejected many of the other options (such as a theology/biblical studies distinction).
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Mark Barnes said:
I really dislike the name of the Theological and Academic Journal Bundle, and it gives the impression that Theology is not Academic, or that the ETS audience not academic but the SBL audience is.
I think it's good to make a distinction between these two groups, but I don't think the labelling is right. Unfortunately, I don't have a good suggestion as an alternative, as I understand why you've rejected many of the other options (such as a theology/biblical studies distinction).
I agree it's not perfect and is an oversimplification, but I've not come up with anything better yet. Open to suggestions.
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Phil, I have the perfect suggestions for names for these bundles. You only needed two differentiating names, right?:
Faith Journals
Scholarship Journals.
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Unix said:
Phil, I have the perfect suggestions for names for these bundles. You only needed two differentiating names, right?:
Faith Journals
Scholarship Journals.
You heard it from me first! :-)That is a dreadfully false dichotomy, as if scholarship should not be (and indeed for the most part is not if it is of much value) rooted in faith.
I personally do not mind Academic (i.e. out of the universities) and Theological (i.e. out of the Church), it reminds me of Scholastic and Monastic works in the Medieval period.
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the four group approach is fine, the master bundled did not suit me to much in there I probably never use.
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Phil Gons said:
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs?
I like having four or more products although, like others, I don't think the names are the best but I can quickly get over that.
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Phil Gons said:
I agree it's not perfect and is an oversimplification, but I've not come up with anything better yet. Open to suggestions.
How about Seminary Journal Bundle? Almost all of the ETS-type stuff (apart from JETS itself, of course) is published by seminaries. The title might well make it more attractive to seminary students, too.
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Phil Gons said:Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
For me a simple upgrade to all the Galaxie journals would do. Why not have a small bundle with just those offered? I do think there is very clear market interest in that.
We're exploring this.
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs? I thought about a bundle for archaeology and another for ministry, but I don't think we have enough in those categories yet. Maybe in the future.
I would be happy with just options 1-3. My concern was the inclusion of "extraneous" journals I'd never utilize. I'd be okay with a handful of new additions here and there. I would just like to see someway to keep our TLJ journals up to date over the years. I've invested a fair bit on these journals, and I'd like the opportunity to continue to do that.
In terms of developing a naming convention for these sets, you could substitute "critical scholarship" (or some variation) for the SBL audience grouping. SBL's website identifies itself with such terms.
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Excellent - I enjoy their material. They may call themselves a magazine but they are close enough to being journals to satisfy my professors.Phil Gons said:abondservant said:I noticed Table Talk wasn't in the master bundle, assuming that was tied to licensing?
Good call. I'll have to check on that. We tended to exclude most magazines, unless they were more like journals. I think Tabletalk could make the cut. I'll have to check on the license to see if there are bundling restrictions. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Phil, I would love to be able to filter journals in Logos by whether they are peer reviewed or not. Sometimes this is important to keep in mind for academic publications. I hope this metadata can be added in some way that allows us to create collections based on it.
Phil Gons said:I agree it's not perfect and is an oversimplification, but I've not come up with anything better yet. Open to suggestions.
I'm not sure if any of the journals included in your "Theological Journals" category are officially "peer reviewed" journals, but if they are not, one simple title that you could use for Academic Journals is Peer Reviewed Journals. In fact, "peer reviewed journals" and "scholarly journals" are oftentimes considered synonymous terms. Cf., for example, http://www.angelo.edu/services/library/handouts/peerrev.php and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review.
Thanks so much for getting more journals! I'm particularly interested in seeing Faithlife add more peer reviewed journals.
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Phil Gons said:
We'll probably end up with four products, instead of one:
- Master Journal Bundle: virtually all journals we have that can be bundled together
- Theological Journal Bundle: theological journals more geared at the ETS audience; comparable to TJL, but including other theological journals not in TJL
- Academic Journal Bundle: academic journals more geared at the SBL audience
- TJL Upgrade Bundle: only journals that were a part of the TJL products
Would these four meet everyone's needs? I thought about a bundle for archaeology and another for ministry, but I don't think we have enough in those categories yet. Maybe in the future.
Here's what would likely be in each:
Master Journal Bundle
- American Theological Inquiry 1–7, 7 vols. (2008–2014)
- Ashland Theological Journal 1–46, 46 vols. (1968–2014)
- Biblical Archaeologist 55–60, 6 vols. (1992–1997)
- Biblical Repertory 1–5, 5 vols. (1825–1829)
- The Biblical Repertory and Theological Review 2–8, 7 vols. (1829–1836)
- Bibliotheca Sacra 1–171, 171 vols. (1844–2014)
- Bulletin for Biblical Research 1–23, 23 vols. (1991–2013)
- Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research 285–368, 84 vols. (1992–2012)
- The Bulletin Series of the Near East Archaeological Society: New Series 11–58, 45 vols. (1971–2013)
- Chafer Theological Seminary Journal 1–14, 14 vols. (1995–2009)
- Conservative Theological Journal 1–7, 7 vols. (1997–2003)
- Conspectus: The Journal of the South African Theological Seminary 1–17, 17 vols. (2006–2014)
- Credo Magazine 1–2, 2 vols. (2011–2012)
- Critical Review of Books in Religion, 11 vols. (1988–1998)
- Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 1–18, 18 vols. (1996–2013)
- Ex Auditu: An International Journal of Theological Interpretation of Scripture 24–28, 5 vols. (2008–2012)
- Filología Neotestamentaria 1–22, 22 vols. (1988–2009)
- Hugoye: Journal of Syriac Studies 1–2, 4–15, 14 vols. (1998–2012)
- Imaginatio et Ratio: A Journal of Theology and the Arts 2, 1 vol. (2013)
- Jewish Quarterly Review: New Series 1–13, 13 vols. (1910–1923)
- Journal for the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament 1, 1 vol. (2012)
- Journal for New Testament Studies and the Ancient Church, 10 vols. (2002–2012)
- Journal of Biblical and Pneumatological Research 1–4, 4 vols. (2009–2012)
- Journal of Biblical Apologetics 1–11, 11 vols. (2000–2008)
- Journal of Biblical Literature 100–125, 26 vols. (1981–2006)
- Journal of Cuneiform Studies 43–64, 22 vols. (1991–2011)
- Journal of Dispensational Theology 10–17, 8 vols. (2006–2013)
- Journal of Hebrew Scriptures 1–4, 6–11, 10 vols. (1997–2011)
- Journal of Markets and Morality 1–15, 15 vols. (1998–2012)
- Journal of Ministry and Theology 1–17, 17 vols. (1997–2013)
- Journal of Modern Ministry 1–6, 6 vols. (2004–2009)
- Journal of Moral Theology 1–3, 3 vols. (2012–2014)
- Journal of Northwest Semitic Languages 1–37, 37 vols. (1975–2011)
- Journal of the Canadian Society for Syriac Studies 2–13, 12 vols. (2002–2013)
- Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society 1–26, 26 vols. (1988–2013)
- Journal of Theological Interpretation 1–6, 6 vols. (2007–2012)
- Letter and Spirit 1–8, 8 vols. (2005–2013)
- Maranatha Baptist Theological Seminary 1–4, 4 vols. (2011–2014)
- Near Eastern Archaeology: Bulletin of the Near Eastern Archaeological Society 1–4, 6–10, 9 vols. (1958–1961, 1963–1967)
- Near Eastern Archaeology 61–76, 16 vols. (1998–2013)
- The New Princeton Review 1–6, 6 vols. (1886–1888)
- The Other Journal: An Intersection of Theology and Culture 22, 1 vol.
- The Presbyterian and Reformed Review 1–13, 13 vols. (1890–1902)
- The Presbyterian Review 1–10, 10 vols. (1880–1889)
- The Princeton Review, 7 vols. (1878–1884)
- The Princeton Theological Review 1–27, 27 vols. (1903–1929)
- Priscilla Papers 1–28, 28 vols. (1987–2014)
- Puritan Reformed Journal 1–5, 5 vols. (2009–2013)
- Religious and Theological Abstracts, 65 vols. (1948–2012)
- Review of Biblical Literature 1–9, 9 vols. (1998–2006)
- Scrinium, 7 vols.
- Semeia: An Experimental Journal for Biblical Criticism 1–91, 91 vols. (1974–2002)
- Themelios: An International Journal for Students of Theological and Religious Studies 1–39, 39 vols. (1975–2014)
Theological Journal Bundle
- American Theological Inquiry 1–7, 7 vols. (2008–2014)
- Ashland Theological Journal 1–46, 46 vols. (1968–2014)
- Biblical Repertory 1–5, 5 vols. (1825–1829)
- The Biblical Repertory and Theological Review 2–8, 7 vols. (1829–1836)
- Bibliotheca Sacra 1–171, 171 vols. (1844–2014)
- Bulletin for Biblical Research 1–23, 23 vols. (1991–2013)
- Chafer Theological Seminary Journal 1–14, 14 vols. (1995–2009)
- Conservative Theological Journal 1–7, 7 vols. (1997–2003)
- Conspectus: The Journal of the South African Theological Seminary 1–17, 17 vols. (2006–2014)
- Credo Magazine 1–2, 2 vols. (2011–2012)
- Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 1–18, 18 vols. (1996–2013)
- Ex Auditu: An International Journal of Theological Interpretation of Scripture 24–28, 5 vols. (2008–2012)
- Journal for the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament 1, 1 vol. (2012)
- Journal of Biblical and Pneumatological Research 1–4, 4 vols. (2009–2012)
- Journal of Biblical Apologetics 1–11, 11 vols. (2000–2008)
- Journal of Dispensational Theology 10–17, 8 vols. (2006–2013)
- Journal of Ministry and Theology 1–17, 17 vols. (1997–2013)
- Journal of Moral Theology 1–3, 3 vols. (2012–2014)
- Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society 1–26, 26 vols. (1988–2013)
- Journal of Theological Interpretation 1–6, 6 vols. (2007–2012)
- Maranatha Baptist Theological Seminary 1–4, 4 vols. (2011–2014)
- The New Princeton Review 1–6, 6 vols. (1886–1888)
- The Presbyterian and Reformed Review 1–13, 13 vols. (1890–1902)
- The Presbyterian Review 1–10, 10 vols. (1880–1889)
- The Princeton Review, 7 vols. (1878–1884)
- The Princeton Theological Review 1–27, 27 vols. (1903–1929)
- Puritan Reformed Journal 1–5, 5 vols. (2009–2013)
- Themelios: An International Journal for Students of Theological and Religious Studies 1–39, 39 vols. (1975–2014)
Academic Journal Bundle
- Biblical Archaeologist 55–60, 6 vols. (1992–1997)
- Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research 285–368, 84 vols. (1992–2012)
- The Bulletin Series of the Near East Archaeological Society: New Series 11–58, 45 vols. (1971–2013)
- Critical Review of Books in Religion, 11 vols. (1988–1998)
- Filología Neotestamentaria 1–22, 22 vols. (1988–2009)
- Hugoye: Journal of Syriac Studies 1–2, 4–15, 14 vols. (1998–2012)
- Jewish Quarterly Review: New Series 1–13, 13 vols. (1910–1923)
- Journal of Biblical Literature 100–125, 26 vols. (1981–2006)
- Journal of Cuneiform Studies 43–64, 22 vols. (1991–2011)
- Journal of Hebrew Scriptures 1–4, 6–11, 10 vols. (1997–2011)
- Journal of Northwest Semitic Languages 1–37, 37 vols. (1975–2011)
- Journal of the Canadian Society for Syriac Studies 2–13, 12 vols. (2002–2013)
- Near Eastern Archaeology: Bulletin of the Near Eastern Archaeological Society 1–4, 6–10, 9 vols. (1958–1961, 1963–1967)
- Near Eastern Archaeology 61–76, 16 vols. (1998–2013)
- Review of Biblical Literature 1–9, 9 vols. (1998–2006)
- Semeia: An Experimental Journal for Biblical Criticism 1–91, 91 vols. (1974–2002)
TJL Upgrade Bundle
- Ashland Theological Journal 1–46, 46 vols. (1968–2014)
- Bibliotheca Sacra 1–171, 171 vols. (1844–2014)
- Bulletin for Biblical Research 1–23, 23 vols. (1991–2013)
- Chafer Theological Seminary Journal 1–14, 14 vols. (1995–2009)
- Conservative Theological Journal 1–7, 7 vols. (1997–2003)
- Conspectus: The Journal of the South African Theological Seminary 1–17, 17 vols. (2006–2014)
- Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 1–18, 18 vols. (1996–2013)
- Journal of Dispensational Theology 10–17, 8 vols. (2006–2013)
- Journal of Ministry and Theology 1–17, 17 vols. (1997–2013)
- Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society 1–26, 26 vols. (1988–2013)
- Maranatha Baptist Theological Seminary 1–4, 4 vols. (2011–2014)
- Priscilla Papers 1–28, 28 vols. (1987–2014)
- Puritan Reformed Journal 1–5, 5 vols. (2009–2013)
We'll also be considering adding some of these to one or more of the above bundles:
- 9Marks Journal 1–11, 11 vols. (2004–14)
- Adventist Today Journal 1–23, 23 vols. (1993–2013)
- The Biblical Repertory and Princeton Review 9–43, 35 vols. (1837–1871)
- Christian History and Biography Magazine, 1–99, 99 iss.
- Journal of Global Christianity 1, 1 vol. (2014)
- The Presbyterian Quarterly and Princeton Review 1–6, 6 vols. (1872–1877)
- Tabletalk 1–289, 289 iss. (1989–2013)
Any suggested changes or recommendations?
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Phil any chance of adding Bible Today and Homiletic and Pastoral Review? These are two of my favorites and they have a well-respected group of theologians who contribute each issue.
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Don Awalt said:
Phil any chance of adding Bible Today and Homiletic and Pastoral Review? These are two of my favorites and they have a well-respected group of theologians who contribute each issue.
I think both are possibilities. The first was on my list; the second wasn't, but I added it.
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Mark Barnes said:
How about Seminary Journal Bundle? Almost all of the ETS-type stuff (apart from JETS itself, of course) is published by seminaries. The title might well make it more attractive to seminary students, too.
Interesting idea. It works for the majority, but definitely not all (e.g., Themelios).
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Jonathan said:
In terms of developing a naming convention for these sets, you could substitute "critical scholarship" (or some variation) for the SBL audience grouping. SBL's website identifies itself with such terms.
That's a good alternative that we'll give thought to. I was considering some form of scholarly as a substitute for academic.
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Fr Devin Roza said:
Phil, I would love to be able to filter journals in Logos by whether they are peer reviewed or not. Sometimes this is important to keep in mind for academic publications. I hope this metadata can be added in some way that allows us to create collections based on it.
That's a good idea. We'll see about adding this into metadata somewhere.
Fr Devin Roza said:I'm not sure if any of the journals included in your "Theological Journals" category are officially "peer reviewed" journals, but if they are not, one simple title that you could use for Academic Journals is Peer Reviewed Journals. In fact, "peer reviewed journals" and "scholarly journals" are oftentimes considered synonymous terms.
Not sure if the categories line up well with this or not, but we'll consider it.
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Phil Gons said:
Master Journal Bundle
All I care about is the above bundle has everything including the kitchen sink.
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Phil Gons said:
Theological Journal Bundle
- American Theological Inquiry 1–7, 7 vols. (2008–2014)
- Ashland Theological Journal 1–46, 46 vols. (1968–2014)
- Biblical Repertory 1–5, 5 vols. (1825–1829)
- The Biblical Repertory and Theological Review 2–8, 7 vols. (1829–1836)
- Bibliotheca Sacra 1–171, 171 vols. (1844–2014)
- Bulletin for Biblical Research 1–23, 23 vols. (1991–2013)
- Chafer Theological Seminary Journal 1–14, 14 vols. (1995–2009)
- Conservative Theological Journal 1–7, 7 vols. (1997–2003)
- Conspectus: The Journal of the South African Theological Seminary 1–17, 17 vols. (2006–2014)
- Credo Magazine 1–2, 2 vols. (2011–2012)
- Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 1–18, 18 vols. (1996–2013)
- Ex Auditu: An International Journal of Theological Interpretation of Scripture 24–28, 5 vols. (2008–2012)
- Journal for the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament 1, 1 vol. (2012)
- Journal of Biblical and Pneumatological Research 1–4, 4 vols. (2009–2012)
- Journal of Biblical Apologetics 1–11, 11 vols. (2000–2008)
- Journal of Dispensational Theology 10–17, 8 vols. (2006–2013)
- Journal of Ministry and Theology 1–17, 17 vols. (1997–2013)
- Journal of Moral Theology 1–3, 3 vols. (2012–2014)
- Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society 1–26, 26 vols. (1988–2013)
- Journal of Theological Interpretation 1–6, 6 vols. (2007–2012)
- Maranatha Baptist Theological Seminary 1–4, 4 vols. (2011–2014)
- The New Princeton Review 1–6, 6 vols. (1886–1888)
- The Presbyterian and Reformed Review 1–13, 13 vols. (1890–1902)
- The Presbyterian Review 1–10, 10 vols. (1880–1889)
- The Princeton Review, 7 vols. (1878–1884)
- The Princeton Theological Review 1–27, 27 vols. (1903–1929)
- Puritan Reformed Journal 1–5, 5 vols. (2009–2013)
- Themelios: An International Journal for Students of Theological and Religious Studies 1–39, 39 vols. (1975–2014)
I am not interested in these very old journals. I'd prefer these be bundled separately as journals of historical interest. I don't think this collection should have any historical journals or journals that are no longer being published.
Of course I want JETS and WTJ added to this, esp. since they would continue the series I already own. I would miss many other TLJ offerings.
The weakness of this offering (to me, at least) is how shallow it is after the really old stuff is eliminated. Many journals but very few issues of most of them. (I count 11 journals that do not go back before 2006.) Is there a reason for this? (I would buy it anyway but wonder if there is additional material that will be added later?)
Phil Gons said:TJL Upgrade Bundle
- Ashland Theological Journal 1–46, 46 vols. (1968–2014)
- Bibliotheca Sacra 1–171, 171 vols. (1844–2014)
- Bulletin for Biblical Research 1–23, 23 vols. (1991–2013)
- Chafer Theological Seminary Journal 1–14, 14 vols. (1995–2009)
- Conservative Theological Journal 1–7, 7 vols. (1997–2003)
- Conspectus: The Journal of the South African Theological Seminary 1–17, 17 vols. (2006–2014)
- Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 1–18, 18 vols. (1996–2013)
- Journal of Dispensational Theology 10–17, 8 vols. (2006–2013)
- Journal of Ministry and Theology 1–17, 17 vols. (1997–2013)
- Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society 1–26, 26 vols. (1988–2013)
- Maranatha Baptist Theological Seminary 1–4, 4 vols. (2011–2014)
- Priscilla Papers 1–28, 28 vols. (1987–2014)
- Puritan Reformed Journal 1–5, 5 vols. (2009–2013)
I wonder if you left this one out of the Theological Journal Library accidentally? Everything else here is there.
Thanks for reconsidering this offering. (I cannot imagine needing to read about cuneiform studies or Northwest Semitic studies.)
The division makes sense (with the caveats above).
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
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I'm not Catholic, but I would like to see Catholic Biblical Quarterly.
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Phil Gons said:Don Awalt said:
Phil any chance of adding Bible Today and Homiletic and Pastoral Review? These are two of my favorites and they have a well-respected group of theologians who contribute each issue.
I think both are possibilities. The first was on my list; the second wasn't, but I added it.
Thanks Phil! Encouraging.
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Phil Gons said:
Academic Journal Bundle
- Biblical Archaeologist 55–60, 6 vols. (1992–1997)
- Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research 285–368, 84 vols. (1992–2012)
- The Bulletin Series of the Near East Archaeological Society: New Series 11–58, 45 vols. (1971–2013)
- Critical Review of Books in Religion, 11 vols. (1988–1998)
- Filología Neotestamentaria 1–22, 22 vols. (1988–2009)
- Hugoye: Journal of Syriac Studies 1–2, 4–15, 14 vols. (1998–2012)
- Jewish Quarterly Review: New Series 1–13, 13 vols. (1910–1923)
- Journal of Biblical Literature 100–125, 26 vols. (1981–2006)
- Journal of Cuneiform Studies 43–64, 22 vols. (1991–2011)
- Journal of Hebrew Scriptures 1–4, 6–11, 10 vols. (1997–2011)
- Journal of Northwest Semitic Languages 1–37, 37 vols. (1975–2011)
- Journal of the Canadian Society for Syriac Studies 2–13, 12 vols. (2002–2013)
- Near Eastern Archaeology: Bulletin of the Near Eastern Archaeological Society 1–4, 6–10, 9 vols. (1958–1961, 1963–1967)
- Near Eastern Archaeology 61–76, 16 vols. (1998–2013)
- Review of Biblical Literature 1–9, 9 vols. (1998–2006)
- Semeia: An Experimental Journal for Biblical Criticism 1–91, 91 vols. (1974–2002)
As a New Testament professor, the absence of New Testament Studies, Novum Testamentum, and Journal for the Study of the New Testament is glaring. (Of course the OT equivalents are also missing.) Also no Catholic Biblical Quarterly, Harvard Theological Review, Journal of Theological Studies. You've seen my Top 20, which did not include JBL only because it was a list of what you did not already have available, but JBL and Semeia are the only journals I particularly care about in this list. So though I consider myself more of the SBL type, I am only excited about two of the sixteen journals you offer. I also am interested in BBR (which is why I bought TJL 15, which gave me the whole set), JETS, and Tyndale Bulletin. Slightly intriguing to me are Bibliotheca Sacra, Trinity Journal, Journal of Theological Interpretation, and maybe Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal. So there are reasons I would consider the Theological Bundle, but you have there twenty journals I don't care about at all. In sum, I'm not really excited about these bundles. Get NTS, NovT, JSNT, and CBQ, and I'll be clicking the Purchase button in a second.
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Phil Gons said:
Many of these are coming, but we didn't want to hold up the collection any longer. You've all been waiting long enough!
Phil,
Logos is incredible! I don't know of any other company or product that I love like Logos (now Faithlife). I share that to put my criticism in context. It's minute compared to all of the praise I could share how many things your company does right. However, I have noticed a trend. It appears to me that Logos repeatedly launches products and ideas that are not ready, which causes frustration and confusion for customers. I'm very excited about the focus on journals, but the next time a product is launched I believe it would be a better experience for your customer base if the kinks were worked out before taking it public.
Thanks for all that you and everyone else at Logos is doing to make great Bible study resources available.
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Phil
A quick look through the list and I notice at least two resources missing:
1. Emmaus Journal
2. Israel my Glory
I have not checked the whole list. But do you know if these will be in LOGOS?
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Mark Smith said:
I am not interested in these very old journals. I'd prefer these be bundled separately as journals of historical interest. I don't think this collection should have any historical journals or journals that are no longer being published.
What about Bibsac, which covers the same time period up through the present? Should we also remove everything prior to, say, 1970?
The difficult thing is that some people do want older journals as well. It's challenging to build collections that have only the things that each individual customer is interested in. There's got to be a compromise somewhere. You either purchase the journals you want individually, or you purchase a collection that has some things you're not interested it, but at a better value. Sounds like the TJL Upgrade Bundle plus a few individuals might be the best fit for your needs.
Mark Smith said:(I count 11 journals that do not go back before 2006.) Is there a reason for this?
I might be missing something, but the reason is simple: they didn't start until 2006 or later. We have the first volume and beyond. Notice how most of them start at volume 1. For the couple that don't, they were continuations of earlier journals that went through a name change.
Mark Smith said:I wonder if you left this one out of the Theological Journal Library accidentally? Everything else here is there.
That was an oversight. Thanks.
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Joseph Turner said:
I'm not Catholic, but I would like to see Catholic Biblical Quarterly.
It's on our list of 700+ journals and has a priority of 1.
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David Sloan said:Phil Gons said:
Academic Journal Bundle
- Biblical Archaeologist 55–60, 6 vols. (1992–1997)
- Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research 285–368, 84 vols. (1992–2012)
- The Bulletin Series of the Near East Archaeological Society: New Series 11–58, 45 vols. (1971–2013)
- Critical Review of Books in Religion, 11 vols. (1988–1998)
- Filología Neotestamentaria 1–22, 22 vols. (1988–2009)
- Hugoye: Journal of Syriac Studies 1–2, 4–15, 14 vols. (1998–2012)
- Jewish Quarterly Review: New Series 1–13, 13 vols. (1910–1923)
- Journal of Biblical Literature 100–125, 26 vols. (1981–2006)
- Journal of Cuneiform Studies 43–64, 22 vols. (1991–2011)
- Journal of Hebrew Scriptures 1–4, 6–11, 10 vols. (1997–2011)
- Journal of Northwest Semitic Languages 1–37, 37 vols. (1975–2011)
- Journal of the Canadian Society for Syriac Studies 2–13, 12 vols. (2002–2013)
- Near Eastern Archaeology: Bulletin of the Near Eastern Archaeological Society 1–4, 6–10, 9 vols. (1958–1961, 1963–1967)
- Near Eastern Archaeology 61–76, 16 vols. (1998–2013)
- Review of Biblical Literature 1–9, 9 vols. (1998–2006)
- Semeia: An Experimental Journal for Biblical Criticism 1–91, 91 vols. (1974–2002)
As a New Testament professor, the absence of New Testament Studies, Novum Testamentum, and Journal for the Study of the New Testament is glaring. (Of course the OT equivalents are also missing.) Also no Catholic Biblical Quarterly, Harvard Theological Review, Journal of Theological Studies.
I understand that. What I have here is just what's currently available. We definitely hope to make it better over time. I'm sorry it's not stronger right now.
David Sloan said:You've seen my Top 20, which did not include JBL only because it was a list of what you did not already have available, but JBL and Semeia are the only journals I particularly care about in this list. So though I consider myself more of the SBL type, I am only excited about two of the sixteen journals you offer. I also am interested in BBR (which is why I bought TJL 15, which gave me the whole set), JETS, and Tyndale Bulletin. Slightly intriguing to me are Bibliotheca Sacra, Trinity Journal, Journal of Theological Interpretation, and maybe Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal. So there are reasons I would consider the Theological Bundle, but you have there twenty journals I don't care about at all. In sum, I'm not really excited about these bundles. Get NTS, NovT, JSNT, and CBQ, and I'll be clicking the Purchase button in a second.
Sounds like the best approach for you might be to hand pick just the ones you're interested in. We'll have them all go up on Pre-Pub individually shortly.
Maybe in a year or two we'll have more compelling bundles that will meet your needs.
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Kevin Maples said:Phil Gons said:
Many of these are coming, but we didn't want to hold up the collection any longer. You've all been waiting long enough!
Phil,
Logos is incredible! I don't know of any other company or product that I love like Logos (now Faithlife). I share that to put my criticism in context. It's minute compared to all of the praise I could share how many things your company does right. However, I have noticed a trend. It appears to me that Logos repeatedly launches products and ideas that are not ready, which causes frustration and confusion for customers. I'm very excited about the focus on journals, but the next time a product is launched I believe it would be a better experience for your customer base if the kinks were worked out before taking it public.
Thanks for all that you and everyone else at Logos is doing to make great Bible study resources available.
Thanks, Kevin. I completely agree. I apologize that this product made it out the door in the state that it did. I should have overseen the project more carefully, and I take full responsibility for this one hitting before it was ready. We'll do better. Thanks for extended your grace to us.
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Joseph Turner said:I'm not Catholic, but I would like to see Catholic Biblical Quarterly.
David Sloan said:As a New Testament professor, the absence of [...] Also no Catholic Biblical Quarterly [...] and CBQ, and I'll be clicking the Purchase button in a second.
I agree that these two are very interesting ones:David Sloan said:I also am interested in BBR [...] and Tyndale Bulletin.
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Mark Barnes said:
How about Seminary Journal Bundle?
Aren't many of the Academic Journals also published by seminaries? If I were looking at logical ways to divide journals, I would start with something like:
- scripture study
- theological study
- praxis
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Phil Gons said:
Should we also remove everything prior to, say, 1970?
The difficult thing is that some people do want older journals as well.
Given that a major use of journals is to trace the history of a particular opinion or question, removing older material solely on age would be a foolish move.
You are also missing a whole class of peer-reviewed journals ... I'm not near a library at the moment but think:
- Worship Magazine
- Journal for Liturgical Studies
- Gottesdienst: The Journal of Lutheran Liturgy
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
I am not interested in these very old journals. I'd prefer these be bundled separately as journals of historical interest. I don't think this collection should have any historical journals or journals that are no longer being published.
What about Bibsac, which covers the same time period up through the present? Should we also remove everything prior to, say, 1970?
Unless you're looking at historical interpretation, any journals more than 40 years old are unlikely to be useful for academic study, certainly in biblical studies. I'm not saying they should be excluded, but I do agree with Mark that perhaps they should be treated differently (rather like "Classic Commentaries on....").
Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:(I count 11 journals that do not go back before 2006.) Is there a reason for this?
I might be missing something, but the reason is simple: they didn't start until 2006 or later. We have the first volume and beyond. Notice how most of them start at volume 1. For the couple that don't, they were continuations of earlier journals that went through a name change.
I think Mark's point was that Logos should be prioritising established journals that have stood the test of time. Newly published online journals (or Wipf & Stock) have far less value that things like JSNT, NTS, CBQ, JBL, ZNTW and the like.
Generally, it's stuff from publishers like Brill and Sage, or available on JSTOR, that are most useful academically. Journals from Evangelical Seminaries or organisations like CBMW and CCEF are also very useful for ministry, of course.
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In answering your question Phil, I will go for the everything bundle - I find my searches of articles in journals to frequently be the most rewarding. Thanks for working so hard on this, looking forward to it immensely!
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Perhaps dividing the collections, with a bit of overlap, would be the solution? Collections up to 1977. And collections starting from 1972:
Mark Barnes said:Unless you're looking at historical interpretation, any journals more than 40 years old are unlikely to be useful for academic study, certainly in biblical studies. I'm not saying they should be excluded, but I do agree with Mark that perhaps they should be treated differently (rather like "Classic Commentaries on...."):
Phil Gons said:What about BibSac, which covers the same time period up through the present? Should we also remove everything prior to, say, 1970?:
Mark Smith said:I am not interested in these very old journals. I'd prefer these be bundled separately as journals of historical interest. I don't think this collection should have any historical journals or journals that are no longer being published.
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I agree that the way this has been rolled out has been somewhat underwhelming, but I am excited about the push to get as many journals as possible in Logos. I think that they just got a little too excited and jumped the gun.
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Mark Barnes said:Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
(I count 11 journals that do not go back before 2006.) Is there a reason for this?
I might be missing something, but the reason is simple: they didn't start until 2006 or later. We have the first volume and beyond. Notice how most of them start at volume 1. For the couple that don't, they were continuations of earlier journals that went through a name change.
I think Mark's point was that Logos should be prioritising established journals that have stood the test of time. Newly published online journals (or Wipf & Stock) have far less value that things like JSNT, NTS, CBQ, JBL, ZNTW and the like.
Generally, it's stuff from publishers like Brill and Sage, or available on JSTOR, that are most useful academically. Journals from Evangelical Seminaries or organisations like CBMW and CCEF are also very useful for ministry, of course.
Mark catches my point. For whatever reason (new journals, publishing rights, etc.) the collection is very shallow time-wise. I was curious: is this because you've been told 'No' by many journals that would give greater depth (time-wise), you just haven't gotten to 'Yes', or that this collection is intentionally biased toward more recent publications? My observation is that the collection looks way better than it really is. When you count the number of different journals it seems substantial. When you count how many journal volumes you'd actually receive it isn't substantial at all. I was hoping to hear a bit on the why of this particular set of journals.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark Smith said:
Mark catches my point. For whatever reason (new journals, publishing rights, etc.) the collection is very shallow time-wise. I was curious: is this because you've been told 'No' by many journals that would give greater depth (time-wise), you just haven't gotten to 'Yes', or that this collection is intentionally biased toward more recent publications? My observation is that the collection looks way better than it really is. When you count the number of different journals it seems substantial. When you count how many journal volumes you'd actually receive it isn't substantial at all. I was hoping to hear a bit on the why of this particular set of journals.
This is simply a result of the licenses we have at this point. It's not intentional. We'd obviously love to have all the best journals covered before tapping into the second and third tiers, but some of these have exclusive agreements and others will just take some time.
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MJ. Smith said:
You are also missing a whole class of peer-reviewed journals ... I'm not near a library at the moment but think:
- Worship Magazine
- Journal for Liturgical Studies
- Gottesdienst: The Journal of Lutheran Liturgy
I added these to our wishlist.
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Phil Gons said:Mark Smith said:
I am not interested in these very old journals. I'd prefer these be bundled separately as journals of historical interest. I don't think this collection should have any historical journals or journals that are no longer being published.
What about Bibsac, which covers the same time period up through the present? Should we also remove everything prior to, say, 1970?
The difficult thing is that some people do want older journals as well. It's challenging to build collections that have only the things that each individual customer is interested in. There's got to be a compromise somewhere. You either purchase the journals you want individually, or you purchase a collection that has some things you're not interested it, but at a better value. Sounds like the TJL Upgrade Bundle plus a few individuals might be the best fit for your needs.
My BibSac volumes start at Vol. 91, in 1934. WTJ starts in 1938. JETS in 1958. I doubt I access any of the earlier volumes of these three.
I would not remove older content already included in the old TJL.
I would set a dividing line for new material. 1970 sounds about right. If a new journal only goes back to 1960 or so, include all of it. If a journal has a long history, offer the volumes before 1970 separately. Those who then want to pay for old volumes will have a chance to do so.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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