Searching Hebrew words with a maqqef

Brent Gay
Brent Gay Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Is there away to search for particular Hebrew words joined by a maqqef? I can use the NEAR search operator, but that will pull results of those words if they are close together regardless of the maqqef. The specific example I am dealing with is in Proverbs 31:10 with isha-hayil.

Thanks,

Brent

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  • Chris Elford
    Chris Elford Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭

    Brent Gay said:

    Is there away to search for particular Hebrew words joined by a maqqef? I can use the NEAR search operator, but that will pull results of those words if they are close together regardless of the maqqef. The specific example I am dealing with is in Proverbs 31:10 with isha-hayil.

    Thanks,

    Brent

    Brent,

    The "dash" key (to the right of the zero) acts as maqqef.

    Here's my search for אֶשְׁה־חַיִל 

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    Chris

  • Brent Gay
    Brent Gay Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/73165#Comment_73165

    Thanks for the reply, Chris. That does work, but I'm wondering if it takes the hyphen into account. I can do the same search without the hyphen with the same results, which is fine since it does produce the proper results in this case. I was performing a lemma search before on both of the words which was pulling more hits. I'm a year into learning Hebrew so I have a while to go before I really feel comfortable with it. I also still have to get used to performing various searches in L4, especially Hebrew/Greek.

    Thanks again,

    Brent

  • Chris Elford
    Chris Elford Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/73368#Comment_73368

    Brent,

    I'm blind! I see that the third one that was found - the Ruth example - doesn't have the maqqef. So, I'd conclude that it isn't taken into account. I also tried to search just for a maqqef and it won't recognize that as anything, so again, I don't think that is a searchable element.

    If you are doing a lemma search it should find more. You need to account for the form changes with the accent shift due to the maqqef/construct state. I'd try a surface (actual form) search with the form you'd have if the maqqef is present. (make sure you uncheck "match all word forms" in the search panel (top left of the search pane)) Then look through for the ones with a maqqef.

    Chris

  • Brent Gay
    Brent Gay Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/74147#Comment_74147

    Thanks again, Chris. That makes sense about searching for the surface text due to the change with the maqqef. I don't think this is something I will ordinarily be doing (searching word combos with maqqef), but I will keep this in mind.

    Brent

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,093

    Brent Gay said:

    Is there away to search for particular Hebrew words joined by a maqqef? I can use the NEAR search operator, but that will pull results of those words if they are close together regardless of the maqqef. The specific example I am dealing with is in Proverbs 31:10 with isha-hayil.

    I'm not by the source code right now to say for sure, but I believe that the maqqef is treated like any other punctuation (- , . ? " etc.) and ignored by the search engine. I think the only way to find it would be to use Ctrl+F Find.

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