Who wants to take responsibility for a massive update that's like dialup? On the eve of a new release?
Maybe I should just wait until Logos 7. At the current download rate that's looking more plausible.
Oh mab ... 'just say no'.
I especially was impressed with the ridicule thrown at the gentleman who was correct. By beta testers no less. And the 'massive download' that's useless for another 3 months or so, absent big bucks to Logos. And the company that pulled it off. There's some balls.
I just saw the price on the crossgrade/datasets. Lordy. Group-think Bible study. Scholars have to be turning over in their future graves. I think my conclusion last week was correct. As a result, I can't spend money on Logos for 3 months. Does it get any better?
Would you have preferred an even larger update of the updated L5 resources + new L6 datasets and resources on the same day?
I especially was impressed with the ridicule thrown at the gentleman who was correct. By beta testers no less
The "gentleman" was not correct and I am not a beta tester. [C]
And the 'massive download' that's useless for another 3 months or so, absent big bucks to Logos.
Denise, watch your logic. You are being uncharacteristically sloppy. The smart select feature is usable immediately as is much of the completion of resource to cover the deuterocanonicals or OT or whatever else was missing.
Group-think Bible study. Scholars have to be turning over in their future graves.
Scholars have been building such tools for the available technology since "time immemorial"
Who wants to take responsibility for a massive update that's like dialup? On the eve of a new release? Maybe I should just wait until Logos 7. At the current download rate that's looking more plausible.
Good grief, are we really having another one of these threads?[:O]
Please no more massive updates! I started off with 4.56GB and once it finished indexing that, it download another 10.7GB and now it's indexing.
If I go for the Platinum upgrade (which is very tempting), then it'll be another big download with indexing all over again. There's gotta be a better way than the current indexing process.
Over all I'm happy Logos 6 came out. I said I was ready and I'm glad it's working out alright for those of us who really had the feeling it was coming out soon this year. By the way, is there a coupon code to enter to receive the 15% off the upgrade or is it just 15% off when you purchase a new base package? If we could get 15% off of the upgrade price, that would be awesome too.
DAL
They could have waited a day or two. Not rocket science.
I've gotten less than 10% of approximately 2.5 GB in over 20 hours. I have unlimited DSL and OpenDNS.
Asking people to open their wallets when you can't deliver what they've already paid for is really tacky.
Would you have preferred an even larger update of the updated L5 resources + new L6 datasets and resources on the same day? They could have waited a day or two. Not rocket science. I've gotten less than 10% of approximately 2.5 GB in over 20 hours. I have unlimited DSL and OpenDNS. Asking people to open their wallets when you can't deliver what they've already paid for is really tacky.
Not exactly an honest description of what is happening today. For the record, I have already upgraded AND downloaded all my resources....
There have been other reports of OpenDNS causing issues with the downloads....it might be worth a try to disable OpenDNS while the download runs. My download was a similar size and didn't take anywhere near that long.
ST, the gentleman was a bit closer than plus/minus 2,000 years. Plus or minus a couple weeks in software development is very close.
And MJ .... yes I heard about the Bellingham Police Department having an all-points bulletin out for a user of smart select. Something so valuable, forum members were challenged with why someone needed it. And the deuterocanonicals are fairly small .... and about 5 years late. Bless your heart for you repeatedly bringing up the issue (and no one else chiming in), that should have been there from the start.
But, scholars have been building these type tools since time immemorial. Whense? Most I've ever dealt with insisted on 'the hard way' (a la George). I'm wondering (seriously) exactly who will be the user (I'm sure there will be many).
And DAL ... was your 14g your old library? Logos oddly will not peep on what the download pressure was/is for the 'massive' update. I'd probably download if I knew a ballpark. I routinely download 2gig star catalogs and geology maps.
I understand the two side of the issue.
Have it all come down the pipe in the same 30+ hours or spread it out over a couple of weeks. Either way people are going to be frustrated that they have to endure so many frequent indexes.
It's the band aid, rip it off all at once or slowly get that puppy off taking as little hair as possible. [:P]
At this point several may comment about the L4 and L5 roll outs but that's another band aid of the past.
ST, the gentleman was a bit closer than plus/minus 2,000 years. Plus or minus a couple weeks in software development is very close. And MJ .... yes I heard about the Bellingham Police Department having an all-points bulletin out for a user of smart select. Something so valuable, forum members were challenged with why someone needed it. And the deuterocanonicals are fairly small .... and about 5 years late. Bless your heart for you repeatedly bringing up the issue (and no one else chiming in), that should have been there from the start. But, scholars have been building these type tools since time immemorial. Whense? Most I've ever dealt with insisted on 'the hard way' (a la George). I'm wondering (seriously) exactly who will be the user (I'm sure there will be many). And DAL ... was your 14g your old library? Logos oddly will not peep on what the download pressure was/is for the 'massive' update. I'd probably download if I knew a ballpark. I routinely download 2gig star catalogs and geology maps.
I have the old scholars library as well as L5 starter and crossgrade and mine was 1.90GB
I understand the two side of the issue. Have it all come down the pipe in the same 30+ hours or spread it out over a couple of weeks. Either way people are going to be frustrated that they have to endure so many frequent indexes. It's the band aid, rip it off all at once or slowly get that puppy off taking as little hair as possible. At this point several may comment about the L4 and L5 roll outs but that's another band aid of the past.
It's the band aid, rip it off all at once or slowly get that puppy off taking as little hair as possible.
Indexes aren't really that bad when you get down to reality.
I am up to 14 hours and have downloaded 36% of 2.06gb. I also have ~7500 resources. Guessing this first download is only a warmup.
that says nothing of my portfolio purchase either, which will still need downloaded.
Well, if you read the history of the debates when language/grammar education fell apart and students had to be tested on other topics because those new-fangled glosses put all the answers at the student's fingertips (Glossa Ordinaria circa 7th century ... and Judaism had its equivalent crib sheet).
Or what about that Anthony of Padua with his topical index so you don't have to remember where the passage is? Or farther East can you imagine the horror of the Sanskrit teachers when students had copies of the text and commentaries rather than memorizing them? I had the privilege of sitting in on a class where a traditionally trained Sanskritist simply sat at the front of his class and used nothing but memory for the text and 2 commentaries on the 2nd year text. Unfortunately, he taught in Canada rather than the US because the States wouldn't give him a work permit because he didn't have "degrees"[:@][:@][:@]
I can try it on my main machine. Thanks I'll give it a shot.
Wait a little for the printing presses (Faithlife won't have (almost?) any of these ready at launch) and then try DVD:s together with Your purchase, then wait for the mail, the insert it to the drive! This is what I've been doing previously. This time no particular upgrades, I'm done.
Okay, Unix - I give up. What are you talking about Faithlife not having?
[I] Thanks - I see dvd and think "training"
Thanks - I see dvd and think "training"
I'm sitting at 3% for 2.23GB. Almost 24 hours and a not even .5GB downloaded.
looks like mine finished, its indexing now - 74% we shall see if there is anything more to download after that. Then tomorrow after I talk to my salesman (Rusty.davidson@faithlife.com) I'll be downloading portfolio.Hopefully were past the bottleneck.
DVD's. Come to think of it, I've not seen mention of any, though I can't help but believe that some will be forthcoming. hmm.
We will be rolling out a different form of media to distribute base packages (for those who prefer that to download) for Logos 6.
That sounds like blueray, or better - branded thumbdrives.
OR...
[Y]
Only 14,000 floppy disks, for "easy" loading! [;)]
Drew,
Whens the Logos mobile app gonna catch up to L6? [H]
Drew, Whens the Logos mobile app gonna catch up to L6?
Whens the Logos mobile app gonna catch up to L6?
As of September, I'm probably not the one to ask. I know some of the features will be eventually coming to mobile, but I can't speak as to which ones or how soon. There were at least two things the team had hoped to have ready by the time Logos 6 launched, but I think other features took priority (and me leaving probably didn't help).
That sounds like blueray, or better - branded thumbdrives. OR...
This thread is becoming about as effective as the download that isn't working.
I've got to ask Bob how to get this into L6
I have very little interest in spending more money for (essentially) a pre chewed data sets from mostly conservative scholars (oh I know they don't have an agenda to grind) telling me exactly the same thing as a million other "bible scholars". Huge downloads. More money. Same information. Little intuition. More "facts". Similar results. More marketing. Sounds so similar to the Scholastic age than delving into God's Word for light for our age imo. Guess I just have grown jaded to the modern age of factual bible study...oh well.
Rene --
You missed the real news. With the reworked Notes we can now mark up the "(essentially) a pre chewed data sets from mostly conservative scholars (oh I know they don't have an agenda to grind) telling me exactly the same thing as a million other "bible scholars". with why we disagree[Y][:D]
Actually, there are some very useful extensions to the Search and significant improvement in helping us to use our libraries esp. journals and early church fathers. How value they are to you is something you'll have to determine.
Drew, Whens the Logos mobile app gonna catch up to L6? As of September, I'm probably not the one to ask. I know some of the features will be eventually coming to mobile, but I can't speak as to which ones or how soon. There were at least two things the team had hoped to have ready by the time Logos 6 launched, but I think other features took priority (and me leaving probably didn't help).
wow, didn't know that!
congrats on the new job!
I agree with Rene's understanding. If you look at a lot of references, there's really not so much that stands out. L6 isn't going to change that. If you aren't using the advanced features of L4/5, the reason for L6 might simply be to get some resources you want at a real good price and hopefully get some better performance to go with it.
I doubt very much that resources will be a major player in one's response to Logos 6. The main features of Logos 6 include more visual aids for the "average Sunday School teacher", major enhancements to the Search so that you can more easily find what you need, the changes to notes that people have requested for years - with the exception of diagrams which Faithlife has given a good reason for not implementing, improved access to library resources by better search results and presentation of recommended resources as well as adding Wikipedia and books.logos.com to available resources. We can also add tags to resources lacking them as well as create our own tagging systems to meet our personal needs - expect me to build some liturgical tagging for liturgical books. These are real improvements not "predigested annotation". But one can now see the larger pattern of where Logos is headed with the Bible Sense Lexicon and the case frames coding.so we can make some predictions for L7 for which I'm already ready to make suggestions.
I understand the two side of the issue. Have it all come down the pipe in the same 30+ hours or spread it out over a couple of weeks. Either way people are going to be frustrated that they have to endure so many frequent indexes. It's the band aid, rip it off all at once or slowly get that puppy off taking as little hair as possible. At this point several may comment about the L4 and L5 roll outs but that's another band aid of the past. Indexes aren't really that bad when you get down to reality.
Perhaps for some, yet I think it unwise to be so dismissive about it. For others it is a significant amount of downtime.
I understand the two side of the issue. Have it all come down the pipe in the same 30+ hours or spread it out over a couple of weeks. Either way people are going to be frustrated that they have to endure so many frequent indexes. It's the band aid, rip it off all at once or slowly get that puppy off taking as little hair as possible. At this point several may comment about the L4 and L5 roll outs but that's another band aid of the past. Indexes aren't really that bad when you get down to reality. Perhaps for some, yet I think it unwise to be so dismissive about it. For others it is a significant amount of downtime.
Considering that people do in fact have complete control over when resources download and indexes happen.... Just saying...
Sure. I am waiting for a non-conservative Biblical company to pour money into development and research and come out with a Bible research software platform so that I can finally have some options.
I understand the two side of the issue. Have it all come down the pipe in the same 30+ hours or spread it out over a couple of weeks. Either way people are going to be frustrated that they have to endure so many frequent indexes. It's the band aid, rip it off all at once or slowly get that puppy off taking as little hair as possible. At this point several may comment about the L4 and L5 roll outs but that's another band aid of the past. Indexes aren't really that bad when you get down to reality. Perhaps for some, yet I think it unwise to be so dismissive about it. For others it is a significant amount of downtime. Considering that people do in fact have complete control over when resources download and indexes happen.... Just saying...
Avoiding the download and indexing is not complete control. At best it's a choice of limitation.
Are people more concerned about the downloads or by the indexes?
I am assuming it is the former. Otherwise, it is possible technically to have Logos do all the indexing on their side and then just download that as well.
Otherwise, it is possible technically to have Logos do all the indexing on their side and then just download that as well.
Sure, but that would be another huge multi GB download just for the index.
Yes, hence why I think the indexing is a better price to pay than even bigger downloads.
That being said, I would like to imagine Biblia.com is the future of Logos. I dont want to start a debate on online-vs-offline but the power of Logos running equally well on all platforms is a dream we can all share. [:)]
That being said, I would like to imagine Biblia.com is the future of Logos. I dont want to start a debate on online-vs-offline but the power of Logos running equally well on all platforms is a dream we can all share.
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