Commentary on the LXX?
I just got done searching Logos.com and maybe I missed it.
Is there an English language commentary on the Septuagint (LXX) that Logos sells? I know that some commentaries include references to the LXX, but this is not consistent - even when there are differences between the LXX and the Masoretic texts.
For example, in Isaiah 11:2, the last of the pairs of traits of the Spirit of the Lord the Hebrew Bible is rendered "fear of the Lord" (יראת יהוה) but in the LXX as "piety" (εὐσέβεια), with "Spirit of fear of the Lord" appearing in v.3a. This has implications for a possible understanding of Revelation 1:4 ("the seven spirits before His throne"). Yet in the commentaries I have consulted so far, this point remains unacknowledged (neither supported nor dismissed).
A commentary on the LXX might be helpful here.
But if someone has another commentary that they know addresses this textual and interpretive issue, I'd appreciate that too. - Thanks in advance.
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I'd certainly pony up funds for a textual-specific commentary (since the LXX is really several LXX's as also interpreted by the DSS, Peshitta, Coptic, Talmud, etc).
Sort of an OT Metzger.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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All your OT Orthodox commentaries should be LXX ... oh wait, I only asked for Theophylact of Ohrid, I didn't get him. Besides he only did the minor prophets in the OT. In general, the Greek church fathers used the LXX. But a contemporary text-critical commentary ... perhaps the commentary from NETS -- oh wait, we don't have NETS and the commentary is not yet published ...
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There's nothing in Logos (although there is one on the Book of Isaiah).
There is only one series available to my knowledge, and it's not complete. There's also one forthcoming from SBL.
Rich DeRuiter said:For example, in Isaiah 11:2, the last of the pairs of traits of the Spirit of the Lord the Hebrew Bible is rendered "fear of the Lord" (יראת יהוה) but in the LXX as "piety" (εὐσέβεια), with "Spirit of fear of the Lord" appearing in v.3a. This has implications for a possible understanding of Revelation 1:4 ("the seven spirits before His throne"). Yet in the commentaries I have consulted so far, this point remains unacknowledged (neither supported nor dismissed).
It sounds like you need a new Logos 6 search!
<Rev 1:4> WITHIN {Milestone <Isaiah 11:2-3>}
Several commentaries pick up the link (you could of course reverse the search terms too, to see which commentaries on Revelation mention it).
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Mark Barnes said:
It sounds like you need a new Logos 6 search!
<Rev 1:4> WITHIN {Milestone <Isaiah 11:2-3>}
Several commentaries pick up the link (you could of course reverse the search terms too, to see which commentaries on Revelation mention it).
You have more commentaries than I do, as I get only 5 results in 5 articles, and none of them mention the LXX issue. [sigh]
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I thought this was an interesting statement (BAR 8:6; my emphasis):
"The publication of the third section of the Hebrew Bible, The Writings (Kethubim), marks the completion of the new Jewish Publication Society Bible translation, abbreviated NJPS. This is the first Bible translation executed by a panel of Jewish scholars since the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Bible completed in Alexandria, Egypt, two millennia ago."
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Probably not broad enough, but there's: De Gruyter Deuterocanonical and Cognate Literature Studies (18 vols.) ... early-bird pre-pub price is $349.95.
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Mark Barnes said:
Not to derail the OP but where on earth are you getting the search syntax for {Milestone <>}. Has it always been around or is this new to L6? Where is the wiki for these? The only one I know of is: https://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP
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It's new. No one has made all the wiki updates yet. but Fr. Devin Roza made a fairly comprehensive post.
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Rich DeRuiter said:
Is there an English language commentary on the Septuagint (LXX) that Logos sells?
There is no single-volume LXX commentary that I know of offhand (though as MJ mentions, an Orthodox Study Bible for the OT would provide something similar). As Mark mentions, Ottley on Isaiah (here: https://www.logos.com/product/10088/works-of-richard-r-ottley) is the best LXX oriented thing on Isaiah still today, at least until Ken Penner publishes his Isaiah vol in the Brill LXX Commentary series (http://www.brill.com/publications/septuagint-commentary-series).
We now have the Lexham Textual Notes (https://www.logos.com/product/45461/lexham-textual-notes-on-the-bible, but only in L6 packages thus far). Its entries in the OT portion provide a very high level English-language look at textual differences (thus early version differences) in the OT. Alas, there is no note there for Is 11.2. If you want to get nitty-gritty in the textual issues in the OT, the two best commentary sets I've found are Anchor Yale Bible Commentary and ICC, though NICOT has good stuff at times too. When doing this kind of digging, I find myself tending toward AYBC first, and then looking elsewhere if they didn't have what I was looking for.
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What is the best way to isolate all the LXX bible and textual resources in to a collection- have tried a couple different ways not really satisfied yet.
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
If you want to get nitty-gritty in the textual issues in the OT, the two best commentary sets I've found are Anchor Yale Bible Commentary and ICC, though NICOT has good stuff at times too
Thanks Rick.
I have NICOT. AYBC and ICC are on my wish list, and out of my financial reach at the moment. (I accept donations!)
I did just find a brief discussion of the issue in the NICNT entry on Rev.1:4, with the most specific information in a footnote. (Yes, I realize there are multiple understandings of what "the seven spirits of God" really means there - but that's not my point.)
As regards Ottley, I'm not sure this is a $50 question [:)].
Regarding the Lexham Textual Notes, I have it, and it looks quite sparse when opened to the passage I'm studying. Also as you mention, there is no discussion of the differences between the LXX and the Hebrew text (which are, admittedly minor - at least theologically). Nor is there anything in the FSB linking this passage (Isa 11:2) to Rev.1:4 (though the entry on Rev.1:4 does link to this passage!).
I have absolutely no expectation that the folks at Faithlife have all the same priorities as I do. But if this textual and interpretational issue could be brought up somewhere, I'm sure that I'm not the only one that would find it helpful. Also when an entry in the FSB refers to another passage, one would expect that an FSB entry at the target passage, would reciprocate - although I do know how complex that can get!
I was hoping to do better at settling the question (does Rev.1:4 connect to Isa. 11:2 via the LXX?), but I may have to settle for more ambiguity than I would like.
Thanks again for your suggestions and input.
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What about this pre-pub?
https://www.logos.com/product/47220/septuagint-and-cognate-studies-collection
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Pam Larson said:
What about this pre-pub?
https://www.logos.com/product/47220/septuagint-and-cognate-studies-collection
Looks like it covers the Pentateuch, and not Isaiah (where my current question is). But it looks very, very impressive.
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Didn't see this one. Have to put it on my list. Thanks.
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Pam Larson said:What about this pre-pub?
https://www.logos.com/product/47220/septuagint-and-cognate-studies-collection
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Rich DeRuiter said:
You have more commentaries than I do, as I get only 5 results in 5 articles, and none of them mention the LXX issue.
How about this: ((LXX, Septuagint) NEAR <~Isaiah 11:2-3>) WITHIN {Milestone <Rev 1:4>}
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interesting search... Is there a list of the new search syntax in logos 6?
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See Fr Devin Roza's summary in the forums today
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Mark Barnes said:
Thanks again Mark.
I get a few more results this time (19 in 8 resources), and some of these do discuss the problem/potential solution.
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Thanks, Pam!! I pre-ordered.
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Rich--that Ottley Isaiah commentary is online free (and legally) as a PDF, if you don't want to spring for the Logos version. Let me know if you want a link.
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MJ. Smith said:
Fr. Devin Roza made a fairly comprehensive post.
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Thank you Jack.
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Abram K-J said:
Rich--that Ottley Isaiah commentary is online free (and legally) as a PDF, if you don't want to spring for the Logos version. Let me know if you want a link.
Thanks Abram. I fond and took a look at it and tried to find a discussion on the passage I have a question about. Since it's a PDF, it is extremely difficult to navigate. So, I'm not sure I found all the relevant discussion on the passage in question. What I did find, did not look helpful to me; it didn't answer the questions I have. It may shine in other places, but not in that one (though, as I said, I may have missed it).
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I think you should look at the meaning of יראת אלהים and יראת יהוה in the Hebrew Bible and then compare the two. After that have a look at Isa 33:6 and its LXX translation. Sometimes English translations are too literal.
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