On the fence: Mac or Windows
Hey guys (and gals), I have the opportunity to buy a barely used Mac Pro (12 Core processor, 16gb RAM, 2x1TB hard drives, 1x500gb solid state drive, with support for up to 8 HD monitors) for a VERY reasonable price from a friend. I've been a Windows guy since, like, ever. So I need those of you with experience in both worlds to help me out:
What's the best move? 1. Buy the Mac, and use Logos 6 for Windows in Parallels, 2. Buy the Mac, and use Logos 6 for Mac, 3. Wait until Windows 10 comes out and buy a machine set up to handle Logos 6.
FYI, for some reason, I can't install SP1 on my Windows 7 Ultimate 64 machine. I had our tech support guy remote into my computer and he's saying he's probably going to have reinstall Windows. Ugh. That's what's driving this decision. That, and the computer is over 5 years old and starting to show it's age. What do you guys think?
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Casey Scott said:
What do you guys think?
I am a "Mac Guy" and have reasons for being a "Mac Guy." Why are you interested in the Mac Pro? (I am drooling over the computer, by the way). If your ONLY purpose is to run Logos, I say no. If you have reasons why you want to switch, I say yes.
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I was a MAC-hater for all of my life until this summer when I got a MBP 15 retina. I was shocked how easy it was for me to transition. Out of all my applications there was just 1 (highly specialized trading app) that was not native for MAC, so there was zero challenges in transition.
My recommendation to you is to buy the Mac Pro and use Logos6 for MAC, you will not regret it as there is an almost absolute feature parity between L6 Windows and L6 Mac.
Too bad that your Mac is not the newest iMac 5K Retina [:'(]
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Thanks toughski, what would you list as any feature disparity?
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alabama, I'm open to new experiences. And, I have an iPhone and iPad that I like very much, and I think the Mac would provide closer integration with those devices. I'm one of the few Windows hold-outs in my office. ;-)
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I haven't checked in a long time, but there is a wiki page dedicated to it:
https://wiki.logos.com/Mac_and_PC_User_Interface_Differences#Feature_Parity
also, you can search Logos forums more effectively using Google search than native forum search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=parity+site%3Acommunity.logos.com
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Casey Scott said:
alabama, I'm open to new experiences. And, I have an iPhone and iPad that I like very much, and I think the Mac would provide closer integration with those devices. I'm one of the few Windows hold-outs in my office. ;-)
I switched to a Mac a year ago, having had Windows from version 3.1 in the early 1990s. I have not noticed any lack of features in the Logos Mac version against the Windows version, and have had no issues with performance (or Wifi with Yosemite). One of my reasons for switching was that I had an iPhone and iPad and wanted to sync contacts, calendars, etc without having to use Google. I have no regrets at all, and didn't have any problems switching after the first few days. It is worth putting some effort into learning new keyboard shortcuts. There are a few residual scaling issues in L6 but apart from that, I have no yearnings to go back to using Logos on Windows. I don't buy the "it just works" line that Apple fans peddle, but I have found things like backing up with Time Machine are much easier to set up and run, and app and OS updates are a lot less intrusive. I hadn't seen a blue screen on Windows for years, so don't think there is a comparison to be made on that front. I'm not an "emotional" Mac user and would switch back on my next hardware purchase if I thought it made sense.
I use Logos every day, for reading, devotional, sermon prep, original language work and my MA studies so I think I do give it a fairly good workout. I don't use Syntax searches very often, but beyond that probably use most functions, tools and guides and would have no concerns about moving to a Mac, so long as it is reasonably current hardware, and I do have a Solid State disk which does make a difference as far as I can see from comments on these forums (I bought it with an SSD already installed).
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Thanks Greg!
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Sounds like you might need a new machine, you have a great deal on an amazing machine, and making the change will enhance (not disrupt) your environment, integrating with your other electronics.
I'd do it, and just run the Mac version. (I used to run parallels, but it was a pain.)
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Thanks Ben!
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Mac hardware runs Windows very nicely. My wife's MBP is set up to dual boot with Windows 7 and it runs flawlessly. My graduate school buys all Mac hardware and just loads windows on it. You don't have to necessarily use emulation if you want to run Windows.
That said, I think you'll be pleased with OS X. My wife never boots into Windows anymore. Logos runs fine on Mac, and I'm convinced it's going to get even better as .NET migrates to OS X natively.
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Thanks William!
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What are the responses to the questions Alabama24 asked? What is the "reasonable" price from a friend?
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Don't do it! I know it looks awesome. My eyes about popped out. Envy reared its ugly head. I have iPhone and iPad and work on friends Apples, but I know its' playing with fire.
But just gotta say, Brother, you shouldn't go against your conscience. Once you cross that line and take a bite of the apple it's hard to go back. I can smell burnt toast from here. Eve took one bite of the Apple and look what has happened ever since. Noah opened the Windows and what a view! The Promise! The Covenant! A whole new world!
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I went to Apple, then actually worked for Apple for almost 5 years, and now I am happily back on Windows and don't miss my Mac at all. Really, I don't. And believe me, I was a FANBOY EXTREME. But seriously, I do not miss it at all.Gao Lu said:Don't do it! I know it looks awesome. My eyes about popped out. Envy reared its ugly head. I have iPhone and iPad and work on friends Apples, but I know its' playing with fire.
But just gotta say, Brother, you shouldn't go against your conscience. Once you cross that line and take a bite of the apple it's hard to go back. I can smell burnt toast from here. Eve took one bite of the Apple and look what has happened ever since. Noah opened the Windows and what a view! The Promise! The Covenant! A whole new world!
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Having eaten the grass on both sides of the fence. The grass is definitely greener on the Mac side. And my experience is definitely "it just works"! The only time I spend fixing computer issues is with my wife's Windows 7 laptop and my daughters Windows desktop - though admittedly Microsoft is improving. Logos works great on my Mac.
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I run Win7~64 via VMWare Fusion7.1 on MBP2010 (1TB/8GB 10.10.1) & have both Mac & Win Logos 6 to evaluate and try to decide which I like better. So far I like the Win version. While there are a few advantages to Mac, MSOffice2013 is a big factor for me to maintain Windows. If you can get the machine for a good price I say go for it. It's kind of nice to "have the best of both worlds," and have some of the Mac apps, but I'm on Win most of the time.
On another note: while I do like the Logos iPhone/iPad app for mobile, I anticipate a good (& inexpensive) Win10~64 Tablet so that I can take advantage of my complete $6K Logos investment without the iOS handicaps.
Shalom!
Jude 3, 4
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MWW said:
Having eaten the grass on both sides of the fence. The grass is definitely greener on the Mac side. And my experience is definitely "it just works"! The only time I spend fixing computer issues is with my wife's Windows 7 laptop and my daughters Windows desktop - though admittedly Microsoft is improving. Logos works great on my Mac.
I guess I am tarnished by working Apple Tech Support. I can guarantee the "it just works" mantra is anything but reality.
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As an MS Windows/IT Support Person with 20 years of work experience and as a Mac user for 8 years, "it just works" certainly reflects my reality and the reality of most of the Mac users that I know. I just came back from a sermon workshop where a majority of the pastors that attended had switched from Windows to Mac and were very happy with the results. From my observation most of the cutting edge application development taking place today is taking place in the Mac arena. I have no loyalty to either platform and if I had reason to I would be willing to switch back to Windows, but I can tell you that as of now "it just works" is far more true of OSX than of Windows. This is especially true when video is introduced into the mix. Our church has struggled for years with a Windows video set up and since we switched to using Macs the problems have gone away. So I can say unequivocally that, at least for me, "it just works" is a present reality.
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I've been a Windows guy for years. Never owned a mac so MHO I'd go with the Windows machine.
But I'm being biased [:D]
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Oh I'm not saying Macs are never the right choice, I'm just saying for the mainstream user it has no real benefit over Windows. Creative Professionals are a whole different story.MWW said:As an MS Windows/IT Support Person with 20 years of work experience and as a Mac user for 8 years, "it just works" certainly reflects my reality and the reality of most of the Mac users that I know. I just came back from a sermon workshop where a majority of the pastors that attended had switched from Windows to Mac and were very happy with the results. From my observation most of the cutting edge application development taking place today is taking place in the Mac arena. I have no loyalty to either platform and if I had reason to I would be willing to switch back to Windows, but I can tell you that as of now "it just works" is far more true of OSX than of Windows. This is especially true when video is introduced into the mix. Our church has struggled for years with a Windows video set up and since we switched to using Macs the problems have gone away. So I can say unequivocally that, at least for me, "it just works" is a present reality.
I will also say that most problems Windows users have are of their own creation. Really, they are.
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True, such as trojans and viruses. But I have a good grasp about security software for Windows. Also cautious when doing searches and I haven't opted for the safe search engine which comes with Avira Antivirus since I search pretty little and I rather want them to focus on the antivirus and not on sifting search engine results. So far I have Avira installed on only one computer but unless the competition changes I buy it for more computers next Summer when my very cheap Bitdefender license ends. However: the larger the market share of Apple OSX the more viruses there are going to be for it too:
David Taylor Jr said:I will also say that most problems Windows users have are of their own creation.
I haven't afforded a Mac since the late '90s, so I'm biased.Disclosure!
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Casey Scott said:
What's the best move? 1. Buy the Mac, and use Logos 6 for Windows in Parallels, 2. Buy the Mac, and use Logos 6 for Mac, 3. Wait until Windows 10 comes out and buy a machine set up to handle Logos 6.
Yes. A free alternative to Parallels is Oracle's VirtualBox. Fast solid state storage improves Logos 6 responsiveness on OS X and Windows. Running Logos 6 on OS X and in a virtual machine would allow Library to be open in each application, which can also be done by using Verbum. Caveat: each Logos/Verbum installation has its own copy of resource files and indexes.
OS X has capabilities not cloned by Windows: easy to copy a partition for use on another Mac. Easy to boot up a Mac from internal or external device (hold option key when powering up Mac for choice of bootable partitions).
Review comparison of Windows 8.1 and OS X Yosemite => http://www.infoworld.com/article/2687908/microsoft-windows/deathmatch-review-windows-8-1-vs-os-x-yosemite.html
Unix said:However: the larger the market share of Apple OSX the more viruses there are going to be for it too
Rarity of successful OS X malware provides strong news incentive. Several "hacking" contests have exploited browser and plug-in weaknesses on OS X. The underlying OS has security risk similar to other unix variants, which is notably lower than Windows. From a news perspective, Windows malware affecting millions attracts articles: e.g. Target and Home Depot data breaches.
Criminals have been attacking OS X for years => http://www.kaspersky.com/au/about/news/virus/2011/Quote_of_the_week_Malware_Explosion_for_Mac_OS_XShell shock => http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/146849/how-do-i-recompile-bash-to-avoid-shellshock-the-remote-exploit-cve-2014-6271-an/146851#146851 affected OS X users that enabled advanced unix services. Apple released patch for bash vulnerabilities.
David Taylor Jr said:I guess I am tarnished by working Apple Tech Support. I can guarantee the "it just works" mantra is anything but reality.
Have experienced a number of Sad Mac and Windows Blue Screen issues; technical troubleshooting of either platform can be challenging (and frustrating). Caveat: Logos on OS X has inherited Windows tendency for periodic computer restart. Typically OS X works better than Windows (use both daily).
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Go for it. You'll enjoy it and have a lot of fun. It WON'T be a 100% problem free experience (no computer is), but it'll be a great learning experience for you and give you a very powerful machine.
Nathan Parker
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Nice toy. For Logos, it's still better on a Win box and that's from a committed Mac user. Running it in virtual on a Mac is what a late mentor of mine would liken to putting an outboard motor on a bathtub.
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I made the switch from a Windoze based PC to a MacBook Pro in 2009 and haven't looked back. And as others have already said, there's no difference between the Windoze and Mac version of Logos. So to me, the question is what system is better - Mac or Windoze. And my answer is Mac, hands down.
The main reason I love Mac's is the rapid disaster recovery options there are available in case of a internal hard drive failure that are not avaiable in Windoze. I have a bootable clone (on an USB-3 external SSD) of my internal flash drive that I can run my MacBook from in the event of a failure of my internal drive. And if I the internal drive is replaced, I can restored all my applications and settings in a matter of minutes (instead of hours to days) by either re-cloning it from my external clone and restoring it using Time Machine, Apple's own back-up system. And Time Machine allowed me to migrate from my old MacBook to my new one in a couple of hours - without having to reinstal any application.
The other reason I use Mac's is I can also run Windoze at the same time. I still use Win XP (IMHO the best Windoze) for work and Win 8.1 "just because" on my Mac. My MacBook specs are listed below - using VMware Fusion 6, I can run XP or 8.1 or both at the same time while I'm running OS X 10.10.1. So with at least 16 GB or RAM and a SSD, you can ran either version of Logos, or both, on the same machine and get excellent performance. Moreover, XP and 8.1 each appears as a single file on my hard drive - if I wanted to back it up or run it on a replacement machine, it's just a matter of "copy and paste" - I don't have to reinstall anything.
So far, I haven't felt the need to go back to using the Windoze version of Logos. But if I did, I could do it on the same machine!
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15" rMBP 2.6 GHz i7 | 16 GB RAM | 1.0 TB Flash Drive | OS X 10.12.3 | Logos 7.0 (7.3.0.0062)
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Just go bubble gum bubble gum in a dish and have fun with your new machine [:D]
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I switched to a mac this fall and love it! It took a bit to get used to but I love how it runs/responds/ and just plain works! The only reason I would ever go back to a PC is because of cost of the laptop or desktop. Here's the feedback I received from the forum when I asked the same question:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/88996/625849.aspx#625849
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