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What are we to do to get dynamic pricing of bundles???!!! Why does not Logos realize that not being able to find out easily what's new is a hindrance to purchases? Why can't it be understood that at the end of the year pastors and others spend the rest of their budget for 2014? Why offer a discount to encourage to buy bundles but not go all the way in making it easy to do so? Why can't I see either what titles would be new to me in Noet packages? Why is so much always only half-finished, half-ready? WHY CAN'T LOGOS UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT QUALITY SPEAKS A BETTER WORD THAN QUANTITY?

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WHY????

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mike

plot hole

Ted Weis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672955#Comment_672955

[:)]

WHY I would say this is something for Logos to improve upon and knowing Logos, they will.

Anthony H

[Y]

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672986#Comment_672986

and knowing Logos, they will

You meant start putting quality above quantity, right? [:D]

William Gabriel

What are we to do to get dynamic pricing of bundles???!!! Why does not Logos realize that not being able to find out easily what's new is a hindrance to purchases? Why can't it be understood that at the end of the year pastors and others spend the rest of their budget for 2014? Why offer a discount to encourage to buy bundles but not go all the way in making it easy to do so? Why can't I see either what titles would be new to me in Noet packages? Why is so much always only half-finished, half-ready? WHY CAN'T LOGOS UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT QUALITY SPEAKS A BETTER WORD THAN QUANTITY?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

WHY????

Those are some high quality Whys. [;)]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673015#Comment_673015

I simply contacted my Sales Rep and got a New2You list and my dynamic price,

I have been enjoying Logos 6 Master Bundle, XL for over a month now.

My Sales Rep did not seem to mind.

Dave Moser

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673023#Comment_673023

I simply contacted my Sales Rep and got a New2You list and my dynamic price

This highlights the other feature that's absolutely critical for making purchasing decisions. If any company expects me to give them money I need to know a) exactly what I'm buying and b) exactly what I'm paying (without paying for the same thing twice). Otherwise, no deal.

It's just insane that a software company can't make this happen up front for every bundled product they sell.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673023#Comment_673023

I simply contacted my Sales Rep and got a New2You list and my dynamic price,

That's okay when you are just looking at one or two products. But when you are trying to make decisions by a number of different products and options, it is a real pain to wait several days to get one answer before you can determine the next question you would have and so on.

But it is true that one can use this for a simpler query while it remains just as true that it would be so much better if the answers were just there to start with.

Michael McLane

Why can't it be understood that at the end of the year pastors and others spend the rest of their budget for 2014?

Uhhhm... end of the year? I am waiting for January to spend all of next years! :-)

WHY CAN'T LOGOS UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT QUALITY SPEAKS A BETTER WORD THAN QUANTITY?

This used to really bug me, and, honestly, it still does. However, this has always been a complaint about Logos. They serve the lowest common denominator to get the largest spread. Mediocre is the name of the game. I have realized that it is that, sort of (no offense here), Microsoftian influence (my feelings, and probably not valid, but it has that smell). It is their DNA. Which is too bad. They are already "good enough", at least for those dedicated people that are willing to put up with and struggle with their wares. But, they could be great. And, really, "great" doesn't put short term money in the bank. It feels like, at least my perception, based on the forum talk from "officials", that Logos operates on a slight bit of fear (maybe the wrong word). There seems to be a continuing emphasis on the next paycheck, or the next sustainable movement. Maybe this is just "planning ahead". I don't know.

The thing with exploring that whole dating site thing (and, I know, we were going to pretend it never happened) is that they were looking for other sources of growing revenue. That's understandable. I did not want to see them do it that way, but they do need to stay in business, and I want them to stay in business. But, Bob, you have a built-in advertising force with all the pastors that love Logos. But, if they are anything like me, it is very hard to recommend the software to the people that I serve when it isn't "quality", when it isn't dependable. No need to retread specifics, the forums are filled with it. And I do not mean to insult Bob, his company, or the programmers. I know you are all working hard. I would love to recommend Logos Bible Software to the people I serve but I am scared to death of the support time I will have to invest with them when something doesn't work, and it will. And, I know, the Logos defenders are going to say that all software has its problems, but Logos is notorious. Its not one big issue, it is a thousand paper cuts. It is a lack of passion for quality.

I serve a medium sized church with all volunteers running the A/V. I have been trying to sell them on Proclaim since it came out. I have two that are willing to struggle through it and two that won't touch it and insist on staying with PP. I even pay the subscription out of my own pocket. I could easily mandate they all switch, but I am scared to death of the eventual failure, freeze, shut down, etc. during a worship service and the "I told you so's" that come from sinful people, then all the questions from the congregation, then the elder board. Thank goodness the harshest critic was using his PP the week and Sunday of the big melt-down. If it would have been one of the two that are willing to struggle through Proclaim, I would have lost them too (and the congregation).

One more thing - search. If I am going to recommend and sell the laity I serve on software whose biggest selling point is search thousands of resources in seconds. It needs to be intuitive. They want to search those resources like they search Google. As it is, just to search the Bible for some passage I only have a hint of (or maybe even more) I have to go to Google first.

I cannot even sell my pastor buddies on Logos.

I know I am one of the more outspoken critiques in the forums, but it is only because I love the tools and want them to be the best. It is like watching one of my children just glide through years of school just getting by when I know they could be great.

Blessings, Logos. I do love you. Now I am off to go spend a couple hundred dollars on resources that I really don't need. :-)

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673038#Comment_673038

I simply contacted my Sales Rep and got a New2You list and my dynamic price,

.... ... when you are trying to make decisions [about] a number of different products and options, it is a real pain to wait several days to get one answer before you can determine the next question you would have and so on.

....

At this stage in the development of Faithlife's e-commerce system the lack of automated 'new to you' disclosure for bundles and collections throughout all of the storefronts is truly frustrating.

I recollect that, reportedly, it costs Faithlife an average $20 (USD) to handle a phone call.

I am thankful that recently, on bundle sales pages, links out to pages of the constituent books and/or collections have been provided. This allows for a check to see if a book or collection is part of another bundle, collection, or Base Package. The links are a convenient alternative to searching the site manually.

Dynamic Pricing is a thorny problem. I consider it a blessing and desire for it to become more consistently applied. I understand that this is negotiated with publishers, ZONDERVAN.

Certainly Faithlife has lost sales and accrued expenses - I don't know how proportional - due to these issues.

EDIT: 10x Price Increase on the NAS Electronic Bible Library??? - this thread seems relevant.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673092#Comment_673092

I have been able to figure out fairly easily what's in a package, but it's a bit time consuming. If you have a good library, you can usually just look at the XL bundles. The choice stuff is almost always there. Figure it this way: dynamically priced, you'll get roughly double of what you actually pay for. For us Logos junkies, we are probably hard-pressed to justify anything, but if it's in the bundle and you had it on your wishlist go for it. As long as you can pay your electric and internet bill afterwards, why not? [8-|]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673038#Comment_673038

I simply contacted my Sales Rep and got a New2You list and my dynamic price,

That's okay when you are just looking at one or two products. But when you are trying to make decisions by a number of different products and options, it is a real pain to wait several days to get one answer before you can determine the next question you would have and so on.

My sales rep usually gets back to me within a couple of hours (except if it's after business hours).

At this stage in the development of Faithlife's e-commerce system the lack of automated 'new to you' disclosure for bundles and collections throughout all of the storefronts is truly frustrating.

I recollect that, reportedly, it costs Faithlife an average $20 (USD) to handle a phone call.

I remember reading somewhere that it's a quite complex manual process currently to set this up for each package/bundle that they want to have it available on. So they're willing I guess to take the $20 hit several times a day in the short term and put off the much larger development expense of making a truly automated solution where every bundle page would simply have that feature in it by default. I know they want to do it, but they've prioritized other things for the developers to be doing instead for the time being.

Perhaps voting for a UserVoice item would help push it up in priority. I don't currently see any suggestion about dynamic pricing for bundles on https://logosdotcom.uservoice.com/. Why doesn't someone who cares passionately about this add one and start the votes for it and drum up other user support for it? Actually, come to think about it, why don't I? I haven't used any of my votes on https://logosdotcom.uservoice.com/ yet, so I can do it. Here we go. Get voting!

https://logosdotcom.uservoice.com/forums/183408-general/suggestions/6829415-dynamic-pricing-and-new-to-me-for-all-bundles

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673559#Comment_673559

Perhaps voting for a UserVoice item would help push it up in priority.

https://logosdotcom.uservoice.com/forums/183408-general/suggestions/6829415-dynamic-pricing-and-new-to-me-for-all-bundles

Dynamic Pricing reportedly requires publishers approvals - ZONDERVAN.

This constraint leads me to think the requests shouldn't be linked.

EDIT: Phil Gons responded in this thread - Petition: provide New2You and Dynamic Pricing on ALL bundles from now on - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/97207/673665.aspx#673665