Why are not User Manuals Free?
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Bryan S. said:
this forum is for helping others and letting others know how we feel.
Yes, this is true and doing this in a gracious way is much preferred. Thank you for changing the original title of your thread.
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Bruce Dunning said:Bryan S. said:
this forum is for helping others and letting others know how we feel.
Yes, this is true and doing this in a gracious way is much preferred. Thank you for changing the original title of your thread.
Yes, this. And thank you.
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Yasmin Stephen said:
doing this in a gracious way is much preferred
Most of the time, but then there are times when gracefully saying something does't work and you need to get straight to the heart of the matter.
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
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Bryan S. said:Yasmin Stephen said:
doing this in a gracious way is much preferred
Most of the time, but then there are times when gracefully saying something does't work and you need to get straight to the heart of the matter.
I think that it is possible to speak one's mind and be gracious at the same time.
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Bruce Dunning said:
I think that it is possible to speak one's mind and be gracious at the same time.
I think that it is possible to take an issue far beyond useful purposes. This thread has been beating a dead horse for much too long now.
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Now, Super. The pony's only had a light tap on the head (plus Doc trying to climb on).
Most of the dead-horse beating is Logosians angered by the OP not being properly nice. Sort of Elizabethan England. Maybe Victorian. The OP did not demonstrate proper manners on the Logosian dance floor.
Frankly it's hard for me to imagine a forum where the forumites brow-beat someone (maybe thinking he's a pony) who wants a manual. Personally I'd be happy to pay the $20 credit (about 2 hours ago anyway). But there's just no pony to climb on.
Yes, the pony's been pointed to, many times, going all the way back to Dan's usual.
From my years in corporate land (which is not unique on this forum), I think they're unintelligent. If you look at many apps these days, they're half advertisement and half manual. What happened to Logos marketing?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Super.Tramp said:
I think that it is possible to take an issue far beyond useful purposes. This thread has been beating a dead horse for much too long now.
Once again Super Tramp thinks His/Hers is the only opinion that really matters.
I wonder how graceful it is to have a name like Super Tramp... That offends me.
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
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Research a little more. With shipping, it is $28. [:(]John Fidel said:Why don't you use your $20 Christmas Gift from Logos, see logos.com for details and buy the manual from Morris P. Then it is technically free...
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Bryan S. said:
Here is the link again http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=17410
Thank you for the link. It is for Office 2010, and I have 2011—which is the Mac version of 2010. So I went to the Mactopia download page http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads. There is no manual there, nor is there a link back to the 2010 downloads page. It appears that we were each partially correct. While the manual for Office 2010 will probably work for 2011, MS did not provide a link for Mac users to download that document.
I do appreciate the link—and the correction.
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Doc B said:
Keep that in mind when the fanboys jump on you.
I've tried saying the same thing nicely, and no one listens. I've tried being a bit rude, and a few people listen. Squeaky wheel.
Some time Gracefully doesn't get it, Even Jesus had to pick up a whip.
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
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Jack Caviness said:Bryan S. said:
Here is the link again http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=17410
Thank you for the link. It is for Office 2010, and I have 2011—which is the Mac version of 2010. So I went to the Mactopia download page http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads. There is no manual there, nor is there a link back to the 2010 downloads page. It appears that we were each partially correct. While the manual for Office 2010 will probably work for 2011, MS did not provide a link for Mac users to download that document.
I do appreciate the link—and the correction.
Here is the link for Mac 2011
http://it-ebooks.info/book/650/
enjoy![:)] all 825 pages
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Paul C said:
Research a little more. With shipping, it is $28.John Fidel said:Why don't you use your $20 Christmas Gift from Logos, see logos.com for details and buy the manual from Morris P. Then it is technically free...
I didn't research it at all, as it was a simple suggestion. If it doesn't work, then ignore the suggestion. I thought it might be a win-win for everyone involved. I have been around long enough to know when to post, and had a lapse in judgement. Apology that my suggestion was not thought through enough... Have a Merry Christmas.
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John Fidel said:
I didn't research it at all, as it was a simple suggestion. If it doesn't work, then ignore the suggestion. I thought it might be a win-win for everyone involved. I have been around long enough to know when to post, and had a lapse in judgement. Apology that my suggestion was not thought through enough... Have a Merry Christmas.
No Harm No Foul Man, I tried it in hopes of a solution as well thanks for your input[Y]
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Bryan S. said:
Thanks for that link. Never heard of APRESS before. Guess this is not a MS publication. Which would explain why there is no link on the Mactopia downloads page.
I will enjoy—but probably only the MS Word portions.
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Guess that makes 2 of us. It is easy to misunderstand a post on a forum. I actually thought your idea was quite inventive. I went to the website to do as you suggested ... only to become irritated by a $13 shipping charge on a $15 book. I am certainly sorry I ruffled your feathers.John Fidel said:I have been around long enough to know when to post, and had a lapse in judgement. Apology.....
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Never ruffled, just wiser... really Have a Merry Christmas. All is great.
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Jack Caviness said:
Thanks for that link. Never heard of APRESS before. Guess this is not a MS publication. Which would explain why there is no link on the Mactopia downloads page.
I will enjoy—but probably only the MS Word portions.
Yep, MS has no manual per se for Mac Office 2011. Which tells us something, no? [:)]
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Bryan S. said:
I wonder how graceful it is to have a name like Super Tramp... That offends me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB3O4eDXos
http://freepages.books.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alwyn/Supertramp/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-C2bHm2yr4
[um]
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Bryan S. said:
A book I can read offline that will teach me everything about the program I need to know...
Information about program capabilities is helpful. However, many hours will be needed working with library, resources, guides, and tools. Part of the practical value in Camp Logos is how to use capabilities for efficient study. For example, tagging and collections are helpful for creating virtual bookshelves (groups of resources).
Camp Logos Schedule => https://www.logos.com/camp/dates
Thankful for many friendly forum discussions; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn.
Logos 6 has a number of new/enhanced capabilities so have a tab open to => What's New in Logos 6 that links to threads with discussions and examples. Also watching for Camp Logos 1 & 2 near Colorado.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Super.Tramp said:Bryan S. said:
I wonder how graceful it is to have a name like Super Tramp... That offends me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB3O4eDXos
http://freepages.books.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alwyn/Supertramp/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-C2bHm2yr4
Supertramp rocks [Y]
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Camp Logos Schedule => https://www.logos.com/camp/dates
Thankful for many friendly forum discussions; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn.
Logos 6 has a number of new/enhanced capabilities so have a tab open to => What's New in Logos 6 that links to threads with discussions and examples. Also watching for Camp Logos 1 & 2 near Colorado.
Keep Smiling
I'll keep smiling and drudging thru L6 learning it, but if I have to pay $400 dollars plus 300+ for a plane ticket plus 300+ for hotel and 200+ for food for 3 days of training a total of $1100+ dollars to get 3 days of training shouldn't I just buy the top accordance program with free user manuals and free help and free training seminars
http://www.accordancebible.com/Seminars-And-Shows and for $19.90 I can buy a seminar training manual
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Bryan, Logos has a very broad range of tools and ways to do something. I found that the MP materials are impressively put together -- I would recommend them as a model. However, I have found that his seminar gave me very little beyond the confidence to use the videos, blogs and forums to learn what I needed for the way I need to use Logos. If I were a Southern Baptist pastor writing nothing but sermons I might feel differently. Don't get me wrong as MP is an excellent teacher. And remember, the more limited the software, the shorter the training and reference manual - and the lower the cost. And go ahead and start a new thread each time you have a question ... you'll get good advice quite quickly ... nearly personal tutoring for free.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Bryan, Logos has a very broad range of tools and ways to do something. I found that the MP materials are impressively put together -- I would recommend them as a model. However, I have found that his seminar gave me very little beyond the confidence to use the videos, blogs and forums to learn what I needed for the way I need to use Logos. If I were a Southern Baptist pastor writing nothing but sermons I might feel differently. Don't get me wrong as MP is an excellent teacher. And remember, the more limited the software, the shorter the training and reference manual - and the lower the cost. And go ahead and start a new thread each time you have a question ... you'll get good advice quite quickly ... nearly personal tutoring for free.
Thanks MJ
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Bryan S. said:
... free user manuals and free help and free training seminars
Faithlife has some free webinars => https://www.logos.com/articles/search?q=webinar plus many free video tutorials => https://www.logos.com/training/desktop along with free Advanced Training by Morris Proctor => https://www.logos.com/advanced-training plus Blog training articles => https://blog.logos.com/category/training/
Wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_6_Video_Tutorials with Logos 6 tutorial links, including an independent trainer with free live webinars that can be purchased later.
Wiki also has Logos 5 Tutorials => https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5_Video_Tutorials that links to Mark Barnes excellent set of video tutorials
Wiki has Getting Started => https://wiki.logos.com/Getting_Started_with_Logos that grew out of a forum discussion with Tips and Tricks that are usable in Logos 4, 5, and 6
Faithlife corporation has a very active community forums with many power users that freely discuss software usage. Faithlife forums has 662,915 posts, which is substantially more than 71,276 Accordance forum posts. Noticed a number of Faithlife forum posters also post on Accordance forums.
Faithlife has applications for more platforms than Accordance plus resources available for purchase at vyrso.com, logos.com, noet.com, and verbum.com can cause wallet to cry lots more [:'(] because lots more is available.
Thankful for 912 free Vyrso eBooks since Thanksgiving 2011 => https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=price%3A+[0+TO+0] Noticed 17,591 eBooks are now available.
Thankful for thousands of Free Logos resources => https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=price%3a+[0+TO+0] that includes Perseus.
Thankful for many free Logos software releases; wiki summarizes all public Mac releases => https://wiki.logos.com/Mac_Release_Notes_and_History
Thankful for Visual Filter highlighting that combines hundreds of search results for simultaneous display; wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters that links to Faithlife group so Visual Filters can be freely shared with other users.
Noticed competitor's training seminar is one day while Camp Logos has two and three day schedules that indicates Logos has more capabilities to learn for efficient use.
Morris Proctor has story about becoming the Logos official trainer while still preaching and studying => http://mpseminars.com/about-mp-seminars/
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Personally I prefer and it's a good manner for Logos to give free manuals on each major releases. I know this creates a good job for Morris, but for me as a customer I choose to have an excellent pdf I can refer now and then.
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Fasil said:
Personally I prefer and it's a good manner for Logos to give free manuals on each major releases. I know this creates a good job for Morris, but for me as a customer I choose to have an excellent pdf I can refer now and then.
For training reference, prefer digital resource(s) in Logos library. Thankful for pre-publication => https://www.logos.com/product/48987/logos-6-whats-new of print manual => https://www.logos.com/product/46719/logos-6-whats-new-manual (and noticed several comments requesting that these resources become free) Thankful for $ 20 free Christmas gift from Faithlife, which is more than $ 14.95 for Logos 6 pre-publication manual (so have used $ 20 gift for other resources and will pay for Logos 6 What's New digital resource).
Logos Help (in the application) has a Table of Contents that does not fit in one screen shot:
What help content needs more explanation? e.g. description for Weight and Measures Interactive ? Resource Priority lacks Advanced ?
What help content needs to be added? e.g. How to add documents from Faithlife ? Link to example Search Field usage ?
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Noticed competitor's training seminar is one day while Camp Logos has two and three day schedules that indicates Logos has more capabilities to learn for efficient use.
Did you notice it was free to anyone who has purchased there program though, plus they have videos and webinars every day,
Here's the deal so perhaps you might get it for those of us that would like a manual. A manual is different than the the help menu in the top right corner, a manual I can read and study, the help ? is designed to help me when I realize I have a problem. A Manual I can read and study to see what the software can do There are features in this program a lot of people don't even know about well for the simple fact they don't know the feature exist a manual would fix this. Plus a manual explains things in great detail it doesn't just hit the high points it hits every point and this is why a lot of people are frustrated with Logos.
Second I am thankful for all the free stuff Faithlife offers, but as long as I am paying for it I'm going to speak my mind about it your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, get used to it cause I'm here to stay.
Keep smiling[;)]
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
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Lee said:Bryan S. said:
Get used to it cause I'm here to stay.
Spoken like a real drill sergeant.
But a Christian and a sergeant-turned-shepherd I hope! Merry Christmas, everybody!
Yes, I was saved on an Easter Sunday. The Lord truly is Good
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
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Bryan S. said:
Noticed competitor's training seminar is one day while Camp Logos has two and three day schedules that indicates Logos has more capabilities to learn for efficient use.
Did you notice it was free to anyone who has purchased there program though, plus they have videos and webinars every day,
Here's the deal so perhaps you might get it for those of us that would like a manual. A manual is different than the the help menu in the top right corner, a manual I can read and study, the help ? is designed to help me when I realize I have a problem. A Manual I can read and study to see what the software can do There are features in this program a lot of people don't even know about well for the simple fact they don't know the feature exist a manual would fix this. Plus a manual explains things in great detail it doesn't just hit the high points it hits every point and this is why a lot of people are frustrated with Logos.
Second I am thankful for all the free stuff Faithlife offers, but as long as I am paying for it I'm going to speak my mind about it your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, get used to it cause I'm here to stay.
Keep smiling
While I agree that it would be good to have the information inside of logos (and infact put all of the faithlife posts that were in the L6 forum for the launch into a PB which you can find in the files forum), I disagree with the language you are using, and your abhorrence of a third party charging for their work. It would be like being angry over being able to buy the "for dummies" book for your computer's operating system in its app store. Or being angry with Mercedes because Chilton's charges for the repair manual.
Glad you are here to stay. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, but the loud mouse gets eaten.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Bryan S. said:
Noticed competitor's training seminar is one day while Camp Logos has two and three day schedules that indicates Logos has more capabilities to learn for efficient use.
Did you notice it was free to anyone who has purchased there program though, plus they have videos and webinars every day,
Competitor's software lacks Visual Filter highlighting to show range of Greek verbal expression in a passage so their training is personally uninteresting.
Faithlife marketing would be better with more training materials.
Bryan S. said:Here's the deal so perhaps you might get it for those of us that would like a manual. A manual is different than the the help menu in the top right corner, a manual I can read and study, the help ? is designed to help me when I realize I have a problem. A Manual I can read and study to see what the software can do There are features in this program a lot of people don't even know about well for the simple fact they don't know the feature exist a manual would fix this. Plus a manual explains things in great detail it doesn't just hit the high points it hits every point and this is why a lot of people are frustrated with Logos.
Observation: depends on user and manual whether explanation is useful. Unread manual = unused. Technical manual = unhelpful for non-technician. Unfortunately, one manual does not all users help.
Primary business purpose for Logos Bible Software is enabling efficient study so time is available for other activities. Personally desire "better results faster" so would appreciate Logos study techniques and work flow tutorials using software features to better prepare messages quicker.
Thankful for Faithlife facilitating user interaction and collaboration; personally have learned a lot from many friendly forum discussions plus have a lot to learn (boundaries of ignorance keep expanding). Files forum includes thread => Logos 6 New Feature Guide (compilation of the official forum posts) with Word docx file created from forum threads.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I don't know whether other folks have thought about it in this way before, but...
any and every argument that users can easily find/collate useful info/tips also means that it's easy for some paid employee of Logos to do the same for the clueless/hapless users out there.
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abondservant said:
While I agree that it would be good to have the information inside of logos (and infact put all of the faithlife posts that were in the L6 forum for the launch into a PB which you can find in the files forum), I disagree with the language you are using, and your abhorrence of a third party charging for their work. It would be like being angry over being able to buy the "for dummies" book for your computer's operating system in its app store. Or being angry with Mercedes because Chilton's charges for the repair manual.
No I'm simply ticked over the fact that Faithlife doesn't provide a user manual with the program so I don't need a third party or the internet or a blog or a forum or a wiki or a etc...
Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.
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Bryan S. said:
No I'm simply ticked
I get that. You have a perfect right to be ticked. I hope you enjoy being ticked if that is where you wish to remain. I decided a few years back to keep a positive outlook on life. So I made do with the Camp Logos DVDs, Mark Barnes' videos, and the free Logos videos. It was just not worth the trouble to carry that weight in my psyche. Rejoice in the Lord always, again, I say, rejoice.
Merry Christmas, Bryan. May God bless your efforts to get us a user manual included with Logos. [Y]
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Super.Tramp said:
I hope you enjoy being ticked if that is where you wish to remain. I decided a few years back to keep a positive outlook on life. So I made do with the Camp Logos DVDs, Mark Barnes' videos, and the free Logos videos
That's the problem you made do, why? you paid dearly for a program and should you not expect the best, since they clam to be[:)]
And just because someone is ticked about something doesn't necessarily reflect their outlook on life, mine is quite positive. Even Jesus got angry from time to time...
Merry Christmas to you as well
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Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Just a friendly thought on the issue:
Logos has really taken off with it's mobile ed division. Why couldn't they just have someone do a mobile ed type of course in which an instructor takes you through the software and give you a manual to follow along so you can highlight and note things.
I am currently working my way through Ben Witherington's course on the literature of John and that is how it is set up. I listen to the videos and read along with the syllabus and am very happy with what I have learned thus far.
Logos is and has always been on the cutting edge of Bible software. Part of the reason for this in my opinion is because they are not afraid of change but instead are willing to venture out and take risk.
Maybe it's time for them to change in this area.
I am not trying to take anyone's job away (Morris Proctor, John Fallahee, etc..) but maybe it's time to step up and meet this need. Logos has hired managers over different areas of study (Pentecostal, Orthodox, Catholic). Maybe it's time to create a position for this and help every one of their customers get the most out of their software.
Merry Christmas Logos Friends!
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Jesse Blevins said:
Just a friendly thought on the issue:
Logos has really taken off with it's mobile ed division. Why couldn't they just have someone do a mobile ed type of course in which an instructor takes you through the software and give you a manual to follow along so you can highlight and note things.
I am currently working my way through Ben Witherington's course on the literature of John and that is how it is set up. I listen to the videos and read along with the syllabus and am very happy with what I have learned thus far.
Logos is and has always been on the cutting edge of Bible software. Part of the reason for this in my opinion is because they are not afraid of change but instead are willing to venture out and take risk.
Maybe it's time for them to change in this area.
I am not trying to take anyone's job away (Morris Proctor, John Fallahee, etc..) but maybe it's time to step up and meet this need. Logos has hired managers over different areas of study (Pentecostal, Orthodox, Catholic). Maybe it's time to create a position for this and help every one of their customers get the most out of their software.
Merry Christmas Logos Friends!
Great suggestion[:D]
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Lee said:
Spoken like a real drill sergeant.
Lee, if he is USMC, there's no such thing as a drill sergeant. He's a drill instructor.
If he's Army, then drill sergeant is correct. But since he called himself a DI, I was thinking Corps.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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You're right. Pardon my ignorance of US marines protocol, sir!
All I know of USMC is from movies like A Few Good Men.
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Doc B would be correct Simper Fi
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Lee said:
All I know of USMC is from movies like A Few Good Men.
Try the old John Wayne movie Sands of Iwo Jima. Sgt Striker was a good DI. Me, I was USN, but I have a grandson who backslid and joined the USMC [:'(]
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Morris Proctor may be Logos' authorized trainer, but he is NOT on staff for Logos/FaithLife. He is a standalone individual who graciously serves the Lord. His manuals, videos, and Camp Logos are 100% worth the money. I actually got to attend Camp Logos for free as a student, and now I wish I had paid for attending, since it was well worth it. I also wish I had bought Morris' lunch that day. He certainly deserved lunch on me.
Another brother in Christ that was a former Logos employee and now stand alone is John Fallahee at LearnLogos.com. His live webinars are free to attend, and he charges very affordable rates for past webinars. His training video bundle is top notch as well and well worth the price.
I am thankful to the Lord for BOTH of these fine brothers in Christ who serve to help us get the most out of Logos. Their materials are worth the investment.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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Looks like we're on thread page 5, and we've successfully demonstrated manuals for Logos can be written. Apparently in the 21st century too.
I'm still amazed people are so ticked off that someone is ticked off who wants a manual. By folks that argue there's a god that controls their lives.
Day before yesterday, we were looking to replace our hefty water filter system. Home Depot had a sign on one of the choices ... download the manual ... it's easy to install!!! And so, we did! (Still deciding, since it looks too affordable, and easy to install.)
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
I'm still amazed people are so ticked off that someone is ticked off who wants a manual.
I'm not sure that I'd describe most people as being ticked off at the fact that someone would like a manual. I think that there are other reasons that have already been articulated.
Personally I'd love to see a manual. I'm one of those strange people who like to read instructions, especially when I purchase something new.
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Add me to the list of those who want a manual. Someone just needs to make a PDF file on using Logos and all its functions. The program is not at all intuitive and I'm sure many are not using it to its full potential. I have the Morris Proctor DVDs. I paid a lot of money for them. But I just don't learn that well by videos. I don't retain it well. A manual would be of great value to me. When I asked customer service why there wasn't a manual, they said it was because the program changes to often to have a manual. lol Well, that's why there's a need for the manual. Once one is made, they can simple update it when features change and tell us it's been revised and we download the new version. I think they could start if off by putting in all the information from the online help files etc. and go from there. I'm old school. I like to read and have an index to refer to for help.
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I wonder if a half-decent Logos/Verbum 6 manual could be cooperatively created by forum members...
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I'm not against having manuals for Logos. The ones Morris has put together are EXCELLENT, and as I've read through numerous ones, I've learned much more about the program.
In terms of Logos itself giving away a printed manual, while it can be done, I don't see it happening. Logos has moved to pretty much all digital downloads, and I don't see them investing in the staff to write a written manual then mail it out to every Logos customer when Morris already has some excellent manuals available. I'd rather the Faithlife/Logos staff focus more on getting Logos delivered and leave the training to the dedicated guys. I don't mind the extra investment to both brothers in Christ as both of them have taught me not only how to use Logos, but how to use it "smarter" and more efficiently in my Bible study and seminary work.
1. Logos comes with free QuickStart videos from Morris. I've watched these in the past, and they're an excellent introduction to Logos. Even as a seasoned user, I still learned some tricks from him.
2. The printed manuals Morris sales are worth the money. So are his videos. I've own and used both, and each encounter with them has deepened my knowledge of Logos. I recently read through the What's New in 6 manual. If you want to be quickly up to speed with the L6 changes, spend the investment and get this manual. You won't regret it at all.
3. Camp Logos is still a VERY good way to deepen your Logos training. Getting to have Morris train me in person, interacting with other brothers and sisters in Christ, asking questions, etc., it all was such a wonderful experience. I got my training for free as a student, but after taking it, it was so good, I should have paid anyway. He's worth it.
4. John Fallahee at LearnLogos.com also has an EXCELLENT, affordable video training bundle. I've watched his L5 one and preordered his L6 one. The in-depth training you receive there covers everything you're going to want to know about Logos, how to get the most out of your books, as well as how to use Logos for Bible study.
5. John's free live webinars are also a great way to stay sharp on your Logos skills, interact with people in a live environment, learn how to use Logos more efficiently, and learn some excellent Bible study insights along the way. His archives are also affordable and top notch.
I'm all for having quality training in Logos, but if you look around, there's more than enough quality training coming out of dedicated men of God serving us. I don't mind the extra investment in paying to have them train me how to better use my Bible software. They're worth the investment, and I'm just blessed to be able to learn from two of the finest brothers in Christ.
Nathan Parker
Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com
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It's called the Wiki... That said I totally agree with the sentiment that something like the MP Seminar's What's new manual should have been included with all base packages. MP would have been paid and the cost to users would have been negligible in comparison to the total cost of the base package.
SineNomine said:I wonder if a half-decent Logos/Verbum 6 manual could be cooperatively created by forum members...
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