Missing Resources?

Today I ran Steve Clark's handy Logos Library Reporter and compared the current report to the last one I ran in November. It showed 5 missing resources, three of which I hid. I don't know why the last two are missing, and they're not in Hidden Resources; should I be concerned or is their disappearance part of Logos' regular maintenance/updates?

Greek resources are all, well, greek to me ( Stick out tongue Smile ) but I still want to keep on top of what's going on with my Library.

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Bryan S.

That is one Handy Dandy Tool, Thanks Steve, and Thanks Yasmin for letting us know about the tool

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679550#Comment_679550

Are you sure they are not in your library? Try the same search as I did below with no space between open and text = opentext.

MJ. Smith

In the command box enter "update now" to see if that will download the resources. If not enter "update resources" which takes longer. If it does not initiate the download contact customer service.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679565#Comment_679565

Are you sure they are not in your library? Try the same search as I did below with no space between open and text = opentext.

I ran your search; no results:

In the command box enter "update now" to see if that will download the resources. If not enter "update resources" which takes longer. If it does not initiate the download contact customer service.

I ran both commands; nothing there either.

Thanks for the responses! I'll contact Customer Service in the New Year

Beloved Amodeo

I don't know why the last two are missing

Happy Holidays Yasmin,

So sorry for your troubles. Try this: in Command Box type: lls:opentextgnt this will search for the resource in your software. If you don't see the Open command for the resource under the Resources heading it is not among your resources. If you are sure that you should have this resource as I believe you should, I would indeed contact Technical Support. (the command for the other resource is: lls:otextglossary

BTW

Tech support has only one tech available on weekends so they will give you a case number and get back with you later.

Travis Walter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679592#Comment_679592

Whoa this is a cool tool. Wish I knew this existed a long time ago.. Thanks!

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679592#Comment_679592

I don't know why the last two are missing

Happy Holidays Yasmin,

So sorry for your troubles. Try this: in Command Box type: lls:opentextgnt this will search for the resource in your software. If you don't see the Open command for the resource under the Resources heading it is not among your resources. If you are sure that you should have this resource as I believe you should, I would indeed contact Technical Support. (the command for the other resource is: lls:otextglossary

BTW

Tech support has only one tech available on weekends so they will give you a case number and get back with you later.

Happy Holidays to you as well! [:)] I followed your advice and still nothing. I'm wondering now if maybe I'm not supposed to have them; but then again, why would the report tell me they were missing if I didn't have them before? Weird [*-)]

This isn't important enough to contact Tech support about right now so I'll wait until after the holidays. Thanks for trying to help!

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679602#Comment_679602

Hi Yasmin,

I'm wondering now if maybe I'm not supposed to have them; but then again, why would the report tell me they were missing if I didn't have them before?

From what i see in the report, you had 398 books in Nov 2, so you did have these books. And in your more recent catalog which has 1278 books they were not found. This seems to indicate that you purchased a lot of books in between these two dates.

Not being able to see which 3 books that you had hidden, i do not know if one of those hidden books might cause the other 2 books not to be shown. There is a remote possibility if they were related to them that restoring the hidden books might make all 5 books visible again.

In any case hopefully when you contact customer service they will be able to answer your question.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679602#Comment_679602

What base package do you own? The most likely answer to this mystery is that you have inadvertently hidden the resources; check again, making sure you scroll down the field fully.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679607#Comment_679607

Hi Yasmin,

I'm wondering now if maybe I'm not supposed to have them; but then again, why would the report tell me they were missing if I didn't have them before?

From what i see in the report, you had 398 books in Nov 2, so you did have these books. And in your more recent catalog which has 1278 books they were not found. This seems to indicate that you purchased a lot of books in between these two dates.

Not being able to see which 3 books that you had hidden, i do not know if one of those hidden books might cause the other 2 books not to be shown. There is a remote possibility if they were related to them that restoring the hidden books might make all 5 books visible again.

In any case hopefully when you contact customer service they will be able to answer your question.

I'm not doubting the accuracy of the report; I've run enough of them to know they're quite reliable [Y] The first three books have nothing to do with the missing books; I only blacked them out to bring focus to the two missing ones:

What base package do you own? The most likely answer to this mystery is that you have inadvertently hidden the resources; check again, making sure you scroll down the field fully.

I own an L6 Gold package (and Reformed Bronze). At the time of the Nov report I had a Starter package and the Feature Crossgrade. When it came time to buy the Gold package, my sales rep convinced me it would be in my best interest to return the Feature Crossgrade and get the Gold outright (because everything that was in the Feature Crossgrade would be in the Gold package anyway). Thinking back now, I'm wondering if these two resources came with the Feature Crossgrade and they were taken back when it was 'returned' ? That would explain things.

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679620#Comment_679620

I'm not doubting the accuracy of the report; I've run enough of them to know they're quite reliable The first three books have nothing to do with the missing books; I only blacked them out to bring focus to the two missing ones:

Sorry, it was just a guess on my part. (although i am just a programmer and it is always possible there could be an error on my part [:O], but catalog files shouldn't be able to lie.). Hope you eventually find out where those books are!

Edit:

In the spreadsheet that Randy keeps (see here), it shows that the resources you are missing do not come with L6 Gold.

Thinking back now, I'm wondering if these two resources came with the Feature Crossgrade and they were taken back when it was 'returned' ? That would explain things.

You may be right, so checking with Logos will definitely answer your question.

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679620#Comment_679620

Thinking back now, I'm wondering if these two resources came with the Feature Crossgrade and they were taken back when it was 'returned' ?

You never lose resources that you own when you upgrade, you always gain additional resources in this transaction. My attention is focused on your action when you hid the resources. Check in Settings again, having done this your wait to speak with Tech Support will be useful as an owner of L6 Gold you most certainly will have the resources you report among your library of resources.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679631#Comment_679631

Thinking back now, I'm wondering if these two resources came with the Feature Crossgrade and they were taken back when it was 'returned' ?

You never lose resources that you own when you upgrade, you always gain additional resources in this transaction.

He returned a product he had bought before (Feature Crossgrade), so it was a reasonable guess that he might have lost the license to those resources at the time he returned it.

However I don't see Feature Crossgrade (or any of the Crossgrades for that matter) listed among the packages that these two OpenSource.org resources are included in. You can see what they're included in by expanding the "This title is included as part of the following collections" section at the upper right of the product description pages:

https://www.logos.com/product/27513/the-opentextorg-syntactically-analyzed-greek-new-testament

Looks like they are not in L6 Starter or L6 Gold or Reformed Bronze (though they are in L6 Lutheran Gold, and Reformed Platinum).

I can't figure out why you would have had them before but not now, since they are not in the Feature Crossgrade. Did you have a L4 or L5 base package before buying the Feature Crossgrade? Did you by any chance get talked into returning that too? Several of the L4 and L5 packages included the OpenText resources, as you can see by looking at the spreadsheet here.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679646#Comment_679646

However I don't see Feature Crossgrade (or any of the Crossgrades for that matter) listed among the packages that these two OpenSource.org resources are included in. You can see what they're included in by expanding the "This title is included as part of the following collections" section at the upper right of the product description pages:

https://www.logos.com/product/27513/the-opentextorg-syntactically-analyzed-greek-new-testament

Looks like they are not in L6 Starter or L6 Gold or Reformed Bronze (though they are in L6 Lutheran Gold, and Reformed Platinum).

I can't figure out why you would have had them before but not now, since they are not in the Feature Crossgrade. Did you have a L4 or L5 base package before buying the Feature Crossgrade? Did you by any chance get talked into returning that too? Several of the L4 and L5 packages included the OpenText resources, as you can see by looking at the spreadsheet here.

I only had the L5 Starter package (for about a week), and that resource is not included in there, according to the spreadsheet. And no, I didn't return that package; I first did the direct upgrade to an L6 Starter, then I got the Core Crossgrade, after that the Feature Crossgrade. After all of that, I decided I wanted a Gold package. The only thing that was returned was the Feature Crossgrade. From all I can see, it doesn't look like I was ever entitled to this resource; I'm now simply curious as to why it's showing as if I owned it before.

(BTW, I'm a 'she' [:D])

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679663#Comment_679663

(BTW, I'm a 'she' )

So sorry! I knew only of Yasmine with an 'e' as a female name, but I saw Stephen and thought you came from a country that puts surnames first and that Stephen was your given name. My apologies.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679671#Comment_679671

(BTW, I'm a 'she' )

So sorry! I knew only of Yasmine with an 'e' as a female name, but I saw Stephen and thought you came from a country that puts surnames first and that Stephen was your given name. My apologies.

No problem! I once knew a boy from primary school named Yasmin. Both my names are generally misspelled; some people insist on adding the 'e' to my first name or an 's' to my surname, and some people, scarily enough, do both at the same time. Or, worse, they address me as Jasmin/Jasmine [:'(]

James Hiddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679550#Comment_679550

That is one Handy Dandy Tool, Thanks Steve, and Thanks Yasmin for letting us know about the tool

Ditto God Bless Steve and Yasmin always forever!

James

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679676#Comment_679676

Yasmin,

There is one last piece of advice I can offer. Run a report on Hidden resources this will reveal which resources are hidden. If this does not account for the missing resources then you are right to conclude that the transaction involving your return of the Crossgrade accounts for these missing resources.

If this be the case, if it were me I would first discuss this with the rep that suggested you return the Crossgrade. Once you have settled this issue, if you are unable to account for the missing resources then I would at that point contact Tech Support.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/679683#Comment_679683

Yasmin,

There is one last piece of advice I can offer. Run a report on Hidden resources this will reveal which resources are hidden. If this does not account for the missing resources then you are right to conclude that the transaction involving your return of the Crossgrade accounts for these missing resources.

If this be the case, if it were me I would first discuss this with the rep that suggested you return the Crossgrade. Once you have settled this issue, if you are unable to account for the missing resources then I would at that point contact Tech Support.

I've already checked my Hidden Resources and they're not there. I'll send an email to my rep next week and see what she says.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

I don't know why the last two are missing

They were only included in Logos 6 Feature Crossgrade, which has been returned and relocked on your account.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/680072#Comment_680072

I don't know why the last two are missing

They were only included in Logos 6 Feature Crossgrade, which has been returned and relocked on your account.

That's what I thought at first, but then why are they not listed on the website in the "All" contents of Feature Crossgrade? Is that an error on the product description page?

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/680072#Comment_680072

I don't know why the last two are missing

They were only included in Logos 6 Feature Crossgrade, which has been returned and relocked on your account.

Well, thanks for solving that mystery. Let's see, I was advised to return the Feature Crossgrade because it was included in the Gold package and I would save a little money that way; based on this advice I assumed that everything included in the FC would also be included in Gold. So, for a savings of $18.08, I lose out on a resource worth $50 [:^)] It doesn't seem like my best interest was served but that's cool; I'll be a little more clear-eyed next time I order anything through a sales rep.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/680157#Comment_680157

Let's see, I was advised to return the Feature Crossgrade because it was included in the Gold package and I would save a little money that way; based on this advice I assumed that everything included in the FC would also be included in Gold. So, for a savings of $18.08, I lose out on a resource worth $50 It doesn't seem like my best interest was served but that's cool; I'll be a little more clear-eyed next time I order anything through a sales rep.

I'm not sure whether these particular resources are important to you. Something you said above about "Greek to me" makes me think probably not, but if they are...you should call Customer Service and explain your disappointment about these resources being unlocked again after you were assured you'd still have them. Perhaps they can make that right for you. It's worth asking anyway.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/680164#Comment_680164

Let's see, I was advised to return the Feature Crossgrade because it was included in the Gold package and I would save a little money that way; based on this advice I assumed that everything included in the FC would also be included in Gold. So, for a savings of $18.08, I lose out on a resource worth $50 It doesn't seem like my best interest was served but that's cool; I'll be a little more clear-eyed next time I order anything through a sales rep.

I'm not sure whether these particular resources are important to you. Something you said above about "Greek to me" makes me think probably not, but if they are...you should call Customer Service and explain your disappointment about these resources being unlocked again after you were assured you'd still have them. Perhaps they can make that right for you. It's worth asking anyway.

I won't call because, like I intimated in my OP, they're not important to me, but it's the principle of the thing; it could very well have been something useful to me down the road *shrug*

Beloved Amodeo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/680168#Comment_680168

Do you have Cascadia Syntax Graphs and Glossary? If you do, Opentext is just an alternative to these resources, and offers little advantage over the former.

Just the same, you may find some use for these resources in the future and the information the rep gave you was inadequate. It's up to you to weigh these circumstances and decide if it is in your interest to seek redress.

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/680192#Comment_680192

Do you have Cascadia Syntax Graphs and Glossary? If you do, Opentext is just an alternative to these resources, and offers little advantage over the former.

I checked my library and I have this [Y]

Just the same, you may find some use for these resources in the future and the information the rep gave you was inadequate. It's up to you to weigh these circumstances and decide if it is in your interest to seek redress.

My original query has been answered and I've now moved on. Thanks for all the good advice [:)]