Is it possible to view the ESV without cross-reference footnotes?

This is something that has bothered me on the Windows version, Mac version 1, and now the new beta: Is there a way to display the ESV bible without the Cross-reference footnotes. I know in Version 1 I could choose to view the "Bible Text Only", but that is not what I am wanting: I really like the paragraph form with the ESV section headings, but I really don't need to see the super-script links that are in the print version.

I copy and paste between Logos and my text editor of choice Apple's Pages, and when I do I always use the "Paste and Match Style" to make sure the font face, color, etc is the same as the document I'm working on, however when I do that with the ESV from Logos I get this:

"Now this I say and dtestify in the Lord, ethat you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, fin the futility of their minds." (for Ephesians 4:17)

...which obviously, is not ideal.

When you think about it, having the visible superscripted ", ^{e" or other letter doesn't make much practical sense for digital book (whereas with the printed book it is essentially the only way to point the reader to the footnote) A much more elegant solution would be to have it as a hover-over, or right click (etc) visible item only, and not show in the text when reading.}

Does anyone know of a workaround for this, or anyone at know of an ESV bible (for Logos) that doesn't include this "feature" (the Cross Reference System)?

Many thanks

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J.R. Miller

I copy and paste between Logos and my text editor of choice Apple's Pages, and when I do I always use the "Paste and Match Style" to make sure the font face, color, etc is the same as the document I'm working on, however when I do that with the ESV from Logos I get this:

"Now this I say and dtestify in the Lord, ethat you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, fin the futility of their minds." (for Ephesians 4:17)

...which obviously, is not ideal.

Hi, maybe I am reading you wrong, but the copy/paste solution has always been available and is available now in A11.

1. Select the range of verses you want to copy.

2. Right click to open the Context Menu

3. Click on the option on the Right side for "Reference"

4. Click the Copy [Verse Range]... in my example the verse range is Romans 8:26-39

5. Open Pages

6. Right click to open the Context Menu

7. Click option to "Paste and Match Style"

WAM Project

If you are right clicking and getting that popup menu, you select the verse section (IE Luke 12:14-18) and select copy (not the copy at the top of the dialogue but the copy command midway) and you can copy the verse without all the references added.

Example:

Regular Copy

I Have Overcome the World

²⁵ “I have said these things to you in figures of speech. ^uThe hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech but will tell you plainly about the Father. ²⁶ In that day you will ask in my name, and I do not say to you that I will ask the Father on your behalf; ²⁷ ^vfor the Father himself loves you, because ^wyou have loved me and ^xhave believed that I came from God.¹ ²⁸ ^yI came from the Father and have come into the world, and now ^zI am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

The copy Command midway down the contextual popup box: (This command appears above the passage guide command)

John 16:25–28 (ESV)

I Have Overcome the World

25 “I have said these things to you in figures of speech. The hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech but will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in my name, and I do not say to you that I will ask the Father on your behalf; 27 for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. 28 I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father.”

Best answer I can offer. LOL...

WAM Project

Well, he gave pretty visuals. But we are saying the SAME thing unless there is something else you are after. LOL.

Brian Fox

That is one way to get the desired pasting functionality to be sure. But really.... Right Click to Copy? I know of about .00001% of Mac users that would do that to Copy instinctively or intuitively. Command-C is the way that every single other app copies: and I know that this was added to the last beta, but that method still it copies in the "basic" copy way (i.e.: with footnotes, per my example above).

This is a workaround to the basic issue, but does nothing to remove the footnotes from being "visible" in Logos. I.E: I still see the super-scripted letters while reading the ESV bible in Logos (which are not present in most other translations).

//Suggestion for Improvement // That brings up another major issue with the UI (user interface) design of Logos for the Mac: It violates the very essence of what Mac Programs have done for years: It provides functionality that can only be accessed with a Right Click. Sure most every user is capable of using a Right click. But Applications designed for Mac are designed in such a way as every function that can be accomplished by a right click can also be done using a menu item. This both "dumbs down" and "smartens up" an app at the same time. For those users for whom a Right click is difficult or unintuitive, they are able to do the same thing without having to try Right clicking, for those Power Users (which I would consider myself) they can either use the built in Shortcut Key (Command-C) or bind their own shortcut key to ANY menu item (bypassing the whole mouse in the first place. This is not a small issue when dealing with the platform, and one I hope the developers would address in future updates.

In-fact the Apple User Interface Guidelines state that should be the case for all Mac Apps:

"Always ensure that contextual menu items are also available as menu commands. A contextual menu is hidden by default and a user might not know it exists, so it should never be the only way to access a command. In particular, you should not use a contextual menu as the only way to access an advanced or power-user feature."

http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html

// End Suggestion //

I am very pleased with the development of the program, particularly in the recent versions...but this is one issue that has bugged me since using Logos... I want to view my ESV without those footnotes. ;-)

(EDITED: Joe was correct: This is not a "rant" but a "suggestion for improvement" -- I misused the word.)

J.R. Miller

That is one way to get the desired pasting functionality to be sure. But really.... Right Click to Copy?

so you would like to change your original complaint that there is no way to do it, that you don't like the way it is done?

Oh well... a few more minutes of my life wasted helping someone who only wanted to rant and then complains more about another issue.

Brian Fox

I posted a quote from and Link to the Apple User Interface guidelines not to "complain" but to put some reasoning behind my lack of understanding for a user interface decision made by Logos. My desire is not to complain for complaint sake, but to actually equip the Logos for Mac team with some information that will help the application become more user friendly.

Getting back to the point... if there IS anyone out there that knows how to VIEW the ESV Bible (in Logos) without the cross-references visible, please let me know.... thanks!

Steve Bramham

ATTITUDE???

Dan Sheppard

1. Select the range of verses you want to copy.

2. Right click to open the Context Menu

3. Click on the option on the Right side for "Reference"

4. Click the Copy [Verse Range]... in my example the verse range is Romans 8:26-39

JOE!!!!!!!

Bless you, my son!

I paste verses weekly, into a Word document, so that I can make little cut-out Bible verses for handing out.

Until today, I have been backspacing out those superscripts and typing in a blank space between the words.

J.R. Miller

JOE!!!!!!!

Bless you, my son!

I paste verses weekly, into a Word document, so that I can make little cut-out Bible verses for handing out.

Until today, I have been backspacing out those superscripts and typing in a blank space between the words.

Sorry you were having to do that brother. I am glad my post was a help to someone. Blessings to you :-)