BUG: resource not appearing in textual variants
Generally I can force the resources I expect to appear in this section. However, I cannot get the Cairo Geniza Targumic fragments to show. Is this a Verbum bug?
Less disturbing but related -- should the Latin appear under ancient versions?
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I guess Logos would have to decide what a textual varient was (the targums get pretty wild). Frankly I'd like to see the targums included, if not for convenience. They're not in my EG for the OT.
Oddly in mine, the OT Peshitta shows up under the apparatus segment (good), but not under the ancient versions segment (not good). Under the latter, I have basically the LXX versions and Vulgate versions.
Plus I guess it'd be asking for the moon to list in the available massorah, if a user has the resource, since it's a type of apparatus.
I was surprised they picked up the minor-prophets/coptic apparatus. But not the Philo textual commentary which primarily deals in varients.
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I'm always in favor of asking for the moon, Mars, Jupiter ... but not Uranus.[;)]
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Hi MJ.
As with the Sirach issue (here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/98769.aspx) I'll look into this particular resource as well.
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Hi MJ.
I'm running 6.1 Beta 3 (6.1.0.0007) on Win 7, and don't have this problem with your example. After I click "more >>", I see:
Are you still having issues? If so, and if you're on 6.1 beta 3, can you think of any differences with your system that might come into play?
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Denise said:
I guess Logos would have to decide what a textual varient was (the targums get pretty wild). Frankly I'd like to see the targums included, if not for convenience. They're not in my EG for the OT.
Oddly in mine, the OT Peshitta shows up under the apparatus segment (good), but not under the ancient versions segment (not good). Under the latter, I have basically the LXX versions and Vulgate versions.
Similar question as my previous to MJ for you as well, Denise. Are the Targums still absent from Ancient Versions? If so, which version of L6 are you on?
Denise said:Plus I guess it'd be asking for the moon to list in the available massorah, if a user has the resource, since it's a type of apparatus.
I'm assuming you're referring the the Massorah Gedolah (here: https://www.logos.com/product/24990/massorah-gedolah-manuscrit-b-19a-de-leningrad )? I'll look into it. The 'apparatuses' are gathered by looking for resources that self-declare as apparatuses, and then further expect the resources to have bible data type milestones. Without both of those two things, it won't work. I popped open the Massora Gedolah and don't see either (it is declared as the ever-helpful 'text.monograph' and has no Bible milestones). I'll ask around to see how appropriate that is based on the structure and indicators in the book itself.
Denise said:I was surprised they picked up the minor-prophets/coptic apparatus.
Denise said:But not the Philo textual commentary which primarily deals in varients.
Yes, but that's because it is situated more like a commentary in the system than an apparatus. Intriguing suggestion, though.
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Hi Denise.
Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:Denise said:Plus I guess it'd be asking for the moon to list in the available massorah, if a user has the resource, since it's a type of apparatus.
I'm assuming you're referring the the Massorah Gedolah (here: https://www.logos.com/product/24990/massorah-gedolah-manuscrit-b-19a-de-leningrad )? I'll look into it. The 'apparatuses' are gathered by looking for resources that self-declare as apparatuses, and then further expect the resources to have bible data type milestones. Without both of those two things, it won't work. I popped open the Massora Gedolah and don't see either (it is declared as the ever-helpful 'text.monograph' and has no Bible milestones). I'll ask around to see how appropriate that is based on the structure and indicators in the book itself.
OK, so, I have a rudimentary understanding of the Massorah Gedolah (emphasis on "rudimentary") thanks to my colleague Vincent. The two problems are that the Massorah as published in Wiel's edition are not ordered canonically. It is possible (extra data) to provide a canonical index to the numbered massorah articles in Wiel (this is what is in the BHS apparatus). Alternately, a reference search of the Massorah resource should pull the necessary material for a given verse (bonus in L6: inline search) to find the articles that cite a given reference (e.g., Gn. 1:1 is mentioned in 1, 3, 721, 1443, 3139). Like this:
The other issue is that even if it was canonically ordered, it would probably be more properly situated as a commentary or even a concordance, not an apparatus. It isn't about where other manuscripts or readings that contain a variation unit have alternate readings at the same variation unit, but providing other places in the same manuscript that have similar whatever-the-masoretes-wanted-to-mention thingies. (Here we have reached the limit of my 'rudimentary' understanding.)
So, I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure the classification of some theoretical canonically ordered edition of Wiel's Massorah would be properly classified as an apparatus in L6. Adding a "Collections" section to your stock Exegetical Guide, and inserting a collection that includes only the Massorah Gedolah will get you where (I think) you're wanting to go:
Right?
Hope it helps,
Rick Brannan
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