New American Commentaries
I wonder whether this link means that the New American Commentary volumes are going to be updated/replaced by a new series based on the Christian Standard Bible?
https://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/products/the-christian-standard-commentary-on-1-2-peter-jude/
Thomas Schreiner wrote the current New American Commentary on those books. The book is out next summer.
Of course the NAC series is still incomplete - albeit only by 2 volumes.
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Paul Caneparo said:
replaced by a new series based on the Christian Standard Bible
It would make sense financially for them. I suspect they pay a royalty on the NAC publication that they won't incur with their own CBS version.
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The NAC is based on the NIV text and the new series will obviously be based on the CSB text so they could reuse most of the material and just edit where necessary depending on differences between the two translations. I took a quick look at Jude and noticed that at v12 Schreiner prefers the CSB translation over the NIV. That's not surprising though, seeing as he's the co-chair of the translation team. In fact you'll notice that many of the CSB translation team members have written volumes for the NAC series. https://csbible.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/TranslationTeam_HCSB-CSB-1.pdf
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Paul Caneparo said:
I wonder whether this link means that the New American Commentary volumes are going to be updated/replaced by a new series based on the Christian Standard Bible?
That would not give me any incentive to update the volumes I already own. I don't use either NIV or CSB on a regular basis.
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I leave the base text as only relevant if someone uses it in a Bible study group context. Most of us need to know what the Bible is saying and that is going to be beyond a given translation. The NIV/CSB merely point towards how modern translators word something for current usage and it's much more applicable to someone with a print copy than any Logos user who hits a button to see a bunch of translations at a glance.
Only a thoroughly updated commentary is worth ponying up to get.
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Paul Caneparo said:
Thomas Schreiner wrote the current New American Commentary on those books. The book is out next summer.
Dr. Schreiner briefly talks about the rebranding of the NAC series in this podcast with Dr. Andreas Kostenberger - https://cbs.mbts.edu/podcast/mentoring-the-next-generation-of-scholars/ Beginning at 3:30 Schreiner says his update to the CSC is a "major revision"
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David Thomas said:Paul Caneparo said:
Thomas Schreiner wrote the current New American Commentary on those books. The book is out next summer.
Dr. Schreiner briefly talks about the rebranding of the NAC series in this podcast with Dr. Andreas Kostenberger - https://cbs.mbts.edu/podcast/mentoring-the-next-generation-of-scholars/ Beginning at 3:30 Schreiner says his update to the CSC is a "major revision"
Good to know it's a major revision and not just changing the Bible text or re-branding exercise.
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You would think since 2003 would add more reflection. Not too hard to see.
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Is FL changing the name on out NAC series or are they going to leave it the same?
DAL
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DAL said:
Is FL changing the name on out NAC series or are they going to leave it the same?
DAL
From one of the posts above it sounds as though the first volume is significantly different to the existing volume by the same author - so not just a rebranding exercise or simply changing the Bible text to the CSB translation. Therefore, I think it will be deemed a totally new series - leaving the existing NAC series to remain as is and presumably never to be updated as such.
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Paul Caneparo said:DAL said:
Is FL changing the name on out NAC series or are they going to leave it the same?
DAL
From one of the posts above it sounds as though the first volume is significantly different to the existing volume by the same author - so not just a rebranding exercise or simply changing the Bible text to the CSB translation. Therefore, I think it will be deemed a totally new series - leaving the existing NAC series to remain as is and presumably never to be updated as such.
I hope they at least finish the remaining volumes.
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Here's the preface to the revised edition. It's been out for some time, but no pre-pub in Logos yet.
It is a privilege and a joy to revise the first edition of my commentary on 1 & 2 Peter and Jude. I have read widely (but not exhaustively) recent research for the sake of the revision, and I have rethought every line written and made quite a few changes. I haven’t changed my mind significantly on major interpretive questions, but I have added new material and nuanced what was said in the first edition. For instance, interacting with feminist thought has helped me think through more clearly the import of Peter’s words to wives in 1 Pet 3:1–6, and I have also tried to think through the Trinitarian implications where such a discussion is relevant.
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Paul Caneparo said:
It is a privilege and a joy to revise the first edition of my commentary on 1 & 2 Peter and Jude. I have read widely (but not exhaustively) recent research for the sake of the revision, and I have rethought every line written and made quite a few changes. I haven’t changed my mind significantly on major interpretive questions, but I have added new material and nuanced what was said in the first edition. For instance, interacting with feminist thought has helped me think through more clearly the import of Peter’s words to wives in 1 Pet 3:1–6, and I have also tried to think through the Trinitarian implications where such a discussion is relevant.
This makes it seem to me a new commentary. You can't really expect the same scholar to make bigger changes than are indicated here--unless, I suppose, that scholar has changed ecclesiastical/denominational affiliation, in which case it might happen.
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For some reason Logos have the 2 Corinthians volume in pre-pub. Unlike the revised 1, 2 Peter & Jude and Galatians volumes which are available in print, the 2 Corinthians volume isn't in print yet. Oddly for a revision, it seems as though the revised volume is 200 pages shorter if the B&H and Logos sites are to believed.
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Corinthians releases soon. Just curious if anyone has heard if “upgrading” is worth it. The NAC is probably one of my most used
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So...when will our NAC be rebranded in our libraries?
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DAL said:
So...when will our NAC be rebranded in our libraries?
I don't believe they will. The Christian Standard Commentary series is a new series, albeit the initial volumes appear to be revisions of NAC volumes based on the Christian Standard Bible and revised/updated content.
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I understand why they would update and use their own text.
However, the New American Commentary is highly respected beyond just one denomination. They would be foolish to forsake it and never update it. They would also make a serious mistake not to complete the set with the final two commentaries. There is no guarantee a new commentary set would have anything like the appeal of the New American Commentary set.
As for the translation, I suspect that the Christian Standard Bible simple does not, and will not, have the appeal that the NIV or ESV or NRSV has. People are not going to flock to a translation from any one particular denomination.
Of course, I have been wrong before. But not often.
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Paul Caneparo said:
For some reason Logos have the 2 Corinthians volume in pre-pub. Unlike the revised 1, 2 Peter & Jude and Galatians volumes which are available in print, the 2 Corinthians volume isn't in print yet. Oddly for a revision, it seems as though the revised volume is 200 pages shorter if the B&H and Logos sites are to believed.
I suspect the page count given by the publisher were incorrect.. eg, take a look at christianbook.com on Galatians, page count : 350 pages, but sample page showing 5xx pages.
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The CSC is a brand new series and although they may use the same author occasionally the series should not be confused.
As to the suggested page count - there is nothing definitive from the publisher yet - and distributors get this sort of thing wrong all the time. Witness the highly speculative details issued in the past by Amazon et.al. regarding the still unissued WBC volumes.
We will just have to wait and see.
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So is it a new series or rebranding an old series? If it’s rebranding, they have no clue what rebranding means; so I’m leaning more towards “New series.” Rebranding is what Understanding the Bible Commentary series went through and the change reflected on our libraries. That being said, I hope they finish the last 2 volumes on the NAC that are missing.
DAL
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Kevin A Lewis said:
As to the suggested page count - there is nothing definitive from the publisher yet - and distributors get this sort of thing wrong all the time..
https://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/products/galatians-the-christian-standard-commentary/
Publisher's page count : 350 [:D]
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DAL said:
So is it a new series or rebranding an old series? If it’s rebranding, they have no clue what rebranding means; so I’m leaning more towards “New series.” Rebranding is what Understanding the Bible Commentary series went through and the change reflected on our libraries. That being said, I hope they finish the last 2 volumes on the NAC that are missing.
DAL
It's definitely a new series. Albeit the initial volumes are based on updating volumes from the NAC series. You're quite right the other series you mention was purely rebranding and redesigned covers.
Here's the preface to the 1 & 2 Peter and Jude volume, which clears shows it's not just a rebranding.
It is a privilege and a joy to revise the first edition of my commentary on 1 & 2 Peter and Jude. I have read widely (but not exhaustively) recent research for the sake of the revision, and I have rethought every line written and made quite a few changes. I haven’t changed my mind significantly on major interpretive questions, but I have added new material and nuanced what was said in the first edition. For instance, interacting with feminist thought has helped me think through more clearly the import of Peter’s words to wives in 1 Pet 3:1–6, and I have also tried to think through the Trinitarian implications where such a discussion is relevant.
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"The CSC is a revision of the New American Commentary series (NAC). Every volume is being reworked, with about half of them being replacement volumes and the other half revisions of the original NAC editions."
https://www.bestcommentaries.com/series/christian-standard-commentary-csc/
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