Sharing personal books accross two computers

I created a personal book in Logos 9 and it works very well. I have a laptop and a desktop computer running Logos. Is there a way for me to make a Logos book that I created on my desktop show up on my laptop or do I have to create the book on my laptop as well. I apologize for asking such a simple question. Thank you for any help that you can give. Brian

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Kevin A

Brian you can 'upload' personal books which will you can then download to the desktop app (not mobile or web). Just click the book in the personal book tool, then below the build button there should be an upload button.

However I would not recommend this, as you can never delete the books once uploaded (you can however hide them) so the possibility exists where you end up with a book that you no longer want, maybe you find an error or something, that you cannot truly get rid of.

I think you can amend the books and re-upload (not 100% on that so hopefully someone else can advise), but that is contingent on your current Logos installation on the computer you created the file. If you HDD dies or something, you will not be able to change that file. You would have to recreate it.

It depends on how OCD you are about things. It very much disturbs me.

David Ames

You can copy the PBB compiled file to a flash drive and scan the flash drive on the other PC. Headed out the door so I don't have time to give the full instructions right now. But there is a way other then UPLOAD.

Or you can move the docx file to the other machine and compile the PBB there also

JT (alabama24)

Brain - The others I think gave you what you needed to know, but for clarification:

As long as you have the appropriate "use internet" options still turned on, then the metadata (i.e. title, author, etc.) automatically syncs, as does the PBB project. What doesn't sync is the actual compiled book.

You have two choices on that: 1) compile the book on the second device or 2) use the "scan" method that David mentioned. As he said, to compile it on the second device, you will need access to the original .docx file on the second computer. I use dropbox to store mine and have access.

Kevin's issue, which which a vocal minority are in agreement, is that FL does not currently have (nor do I think they have plans to implement) a means to delete the file from their servers. If that would be an issue, it may be best not to "upload" the compiled file. If it is only a mild issue, then if you decide to not use that resource you can 1) hide it or 2) wipe over it with new content.

NB.Mick

As long as you have the appropriate "use internet" options still turned on, then the metadata (i.e. title, author, etc.) automatically syncs, as does the PBB project.

I'm no longer sure that's still (or always) true, based on my two L9/V9 installations.

FL does not currently have (nor do I think they have plans to implement) a means to delete the file from their servers. If that would be an issue, it may be best not to "upload" the compiled file. If it is only a mild issue, then if you decide to not use that resource you can 1) hide it or 2) wipe over it with new content.

Generally speaking, it seems strange to me that people trust FL with their prayers and their sermons, but then object against having PB files on FL's servers where they probably are stored in encrypted form anyways. Uploading after every build is the most easy way to have PBs synced between two installations.

Kevin A

Generally speaking, it seems strange to me that people trust FL with their prayers and their sermons, but then object against having PB files on FL's servers where they probably are stored in encrypted form anyways. Uploading after every build is the most easy way to have PBs synced between two installations.

For me it is not a trust issue, if I ever spotted an error I could not correct it would slowly drive me round the bend I think.

I imagine one reason, perhaps the main reason, why they don't implement it, is that there would many more support calls from people asking for help to recover items accidentally deleted.

Brian Kom

Thank you so much for your help. I truly appreciate it. I'm humbled that you would take the time to help. God bless. Brian

JT (alabama24)

I imagine one reason, perhaps the main reason, why they don't implement it, is that there would many more support calls from people asking for help to recover items accidentally deleted.

That might be part of it, but the biggest reason is that the feature didn't quite do what they had hoped it would. People don't use it for "personal" books, they use it for building books from other authors... which competes against FL. This is hashed out in a LONG thread. It is also why they will not sync with mobile.

Bernhard

if I ever spotted an error I could not correct it

Why can you not correct it? Just change the docx file, recompile and upload again! Where is the problem?

David Ames

Scan from Wiki

Scan {Resource Path} - finds unlocked books in a folder or on a disk.

You must first find your PBB files

A PBB file has the name similar to 5ef51f82dcde4751b50c52a59c7ce8ef.lbspbb

All end in .lbspbb

And these are found at something like:

\Users\User1\AppData\Local\Logos\Data\admhbkzb.2ys\ResourceManager\Resources

Where D is the drive letter: Most likely C:

Where Logos maybe Logos4

Where “admhbkzb.2ys” will be a “random” string probably unique to your system

Copy all the files ending in .lbspbb to a flash drive

Move the flash drive to your second machine

In the command box of Logos type scan followed by the path name to the flashdrive.

David Ames

having PB files on FL's servers where they probably are stored in encrypted form anyways.

Question: Are they encrypted? Some time back FL did an analysis on all of the PBB that were uploaded and that is when they discovered that most PBBs are files taken from the internet as text or PDF files and loaded into Logos. And they complained that many were books that they have offered as Logos Resources. [or that they claim that they will offer as Logos Resources someday maybe]

[[FL if you are reading this for every one of the 300 PBB I have I checked that it was NOT currently listed as a for sale resource, pre-pub nor community pricing item at the time I first built it. I may have missed some as the titles might not have matched.]]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Question: Are they encrypted?

Yes, they are.

Some time back FL did an analysis on all of the PBB that were uploaded and that is when they discovered that most PBBs are files taken from the internet as text or PDF files and loaded into Logos.

This isn't quite true. We never analysed PBBs, looked at their content, etc.

What happened is that uploaded PBBs were loaded into our standard resource distribution system (because code reuse). Our CS agents searching for our published resources (by title) were finding that their search results were filled with Personal Books. Our analysis was based on the assumption that Institutes of the Christian Religion or How Should We Then Live? (I'm just making these up; I don't know what the most common titles were) were probably not personal books authored by the users who uploaded them.

NB.Mick

Question: Are they encrypted? Some time back FL did an analysis on all of the PBB that were uploaded and that is when they discovered that most PBBs are files taken from the internet as text or PDF files and loaded into Logos.

I think they are encrypted just with the same algorithm as our other library books. But metadata such as author and title are not encrypted. Logos could decrypt the actual books if they wanted, but I don't think they would feel any desire to do so.

And they complained that many were books that they have offered as Logos Resources.

Also, maybe you put more into FL's "Analysis" of PBs than they actually did. I didn't want to google that old post, but my recollection is not that FL did an in-depth analysis of all PBs actual content, but just glanced at the titles ordered by frequency and it was one book by AW Pink that they found was near the top of the seemingly most-popular PBs and to be taken from the internet (at that time it was not offered by Logos, but was freely available at CCEL and other websites. Many of FL's very reformed user base just thought they needed it "for completeness sake". In fact I have a PB copy of this myself - and a copy I bought from FL. This probably was a very special case, the book possibly still being copyrighted (at least in Europe, where the publisher sits who back then refused to allow FL to sell it) and available from so many websites on the web. I know that at the time when I first built it, I thought the text from CCEL was PD (and it actually may be, at least in the US).

This analysis might even lead to wrong conclusions: Years ago I started putting "dummy" PBs into my library with the exact title, author, publisher etc just to get library search hits and as a reminder I owned this work in another bible software or in paper. I stopped doing that (too much effort without scripting), but such books from their metadata look like a "competing" PB when actually they aren't - and I ended up buying the Logos edition for many of those anyway.

Of course, many or most PBs are not documents produced by the individual Logos user, but are public domain works or otherwise free resources that users build to enhance their libraries. I personally find that PBs don't compete much with Logos resources. There might be the argument that every book competes with every other book. And in theory, FL could bring every PD book ever written to Logos. Looking at their bandwidth to actually get books produced, they are not able to keep up even with the volume of new books pushed out by their most trusted publishing partners.

My impression, making and using PBs from L4 onwards, is that the PB community is very ethical in the PBs that are shared here in the forums: no blatantly stolen books, no PD works that are offered at CP (even though we know it takes years for them to go through). It's rather that PB fills up areas where FL is not strong enough to make an offer. I think that PBs are a strong component of getting users from underdeveloped faith traditions (like the restoration movement) or non-English languages to actually find Logos usable. My personal conviction is that without PBs, there would not be an active user community in e.g. the German language - and if FL wants to grow other languages (as they seem to do with French now, and as they probably should do with Dutch/Afrikaans), my sincere recommendation would be to get the users making PBs in order to overcome the dearth of resources.

Are there users who sometimes might privately build a PB that is a book FL sells? Surely. I personally have done so once or twice in the past, as a proof of concept for format conversion for a book I legally owned in another format (worked well; nevertheless I bought the Logos resource) and once as a test for making a devotional from an FL eBook. Such format conversion may be considered a grey area by some, but is probably legal and falls under Fair Use for most users anyway. Some student or bivo pastor may think they can grab a text from archive.org for free and save the bucks they really can't afford in the Logos store. I don't believe that this actually cuts much into Logos revenue - maybe to the contrary: Experience from the forums seems to show that people who actually tried building a commentary or a bible with the same full functionality as a Logos resource are the first who jump in when some cheapo starts to whine about Logos prices, as building such PBs clearly teaches the amount of effort, diligence and time needed to produce a Logos resource. This may make users more willing to pay Logos prices even for PD works.

EDIT: I took much too long to write this up, but I see that Bradley in the meantime confirmed at least my answers to your question /EDIT