Can we get Bart Ehrman's books in logos?
It looks like there is one book.
https://www.logos.com/product/7492/the-text-of-the-new-testament-in-contemporary-research
Here is a search for his name in all products.
https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=bart+ehrman
Bump. Since March Madness is currently taking place, I cannot help but wonder how far Ehrman might go if Faithlife were ever able to make his works available and part of the competition. I would guess many people who disagree with his conclusions would still be interested in having him in their libraries. First thing is first though - getting his books available in Logos format.
Yes, I very much look forward to the Bart Ehrman vs. Robert Alter matchup.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/103549/716151.aspx
Absolutely agreed. Some like him, some don't. We have several resources that critique his works, but it's a pain in the butt to switch from a paper copy to digital and back and forth. Let Ehrman out into the digital world please.
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Do we really want to add another heretic to Logos? He freely admits he is not a Christian and does not believe the Scriptures - yet he has made his living off them. I do not want Logos to be continually diminished.
His latest book surely seals the deal: "Jesus Before the Gospels: How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, & Invented Their Stories of the Savior"
Definitely a huge problem at Logos. The Logos book offering is simply chock-full of heretics under every catagory. Even the early fathers got heretic'd by the later fathers.
Ehrman with four NYT best-sellers, and supporting a cottage industry of why-Ehrman-is-wrong books. What else can the scholars discuss? Plus Ehrman's in 27 languages. I'm still wondering how that happened. 27??
Bart's definitely not Logos material. Nor the NJSB apparently.
I read people that I disagree with, for a variety of reasons. But as a practical matter, I suspect we all tend to buy more books by people with views that we think are at least broadly compatible with our own. I certainly do. That buying pattern would affect which books it is most profitable for Logos to add to their catalog. It also seems consistent with the decisions we see Logos making. Most new books are generally consistent with the interests and views of their average user, salted with a few more "challenging" volumes.
Fine, faithlife can we get them in Noet? There are all kinds of non-biblical books in Noet. Put the heretics there.
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THIS GUY IS A NON-BELIEVING JERK- WHO CARES!
You're back, Whyndell! I think you replaced George for getting directly to the point.
Of course you wiped out 2/3's of the Faithlife library (I checked each author to see if they're approved believers, and not-a-jerk).
Actually, it hasn't been demonstrated whether Logos hates Bart, or Bart hates Logos. My guess, the latter.
Actually, he is a rather nice guy. The times that I have interacted with him he was polite and very friendly. I have actually met more "jerks" who were professing believers, who were full of themselves.
I met Bart Ehrman once also found him to be very nice.
Although I disagree with him, I would still like to see his books in Logos. I lecture frequently on apologetics and having all my resources in one place would make it easy to find the information I need.
You're back, Whyndell! I think you replaced George for getting directly to the point. Of course you wiped out 2/3's of the Faithlife library (I checked each author to see if they're approved believers, and not-a-jerk). Actually, it hasn't been demonstrated whether Logos hates Bart, or Bart hates Logos. My guess, the latter.
Actually I love fishing you can get almost anything to bite.
Nice guys work for Satan as well folks!
You left off the last phrase of the old country folk song ... 'if you have good bait'.
George's was top-notch.
I have actually met more "jerks" who were professing believers, who were full of themselves.
At the risk of getting unduly theological, that's why I'm so glad that God justifies the ungodly. I'm a bit too full of myself at times (and that's not my worst fault by a long shot).
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Does He? I thought for sure He said He never would. Ex. 23:7 NKJV Fwiw, "wicked" and "ungodly" are same Greek word.
Seems that's He's doing something remarkable for the ungodly. At least that's what I get from Romans 4:5 NKJV. Anyway, that's the verse I was alluding to. You can do with it what you will. I really wasn't trying to trigger a theological debate. My comment was simply intended to be a somewhat self-deprecating way of agreeing with the statement that we Christians can sometimes be a bit too full of ourselves.
Until Faithlife gets Ehrman's books in Logos/Noet/Vyrso, you can do what I did and buy the one book that Logos has and create PBs for the ones they don't have.
How do you do this? Did you make these from Kindle Books? How do you make them into personal books?
Are you able to create linked footnotes somehow, automatically?
No, no auto linked footnotes.
Yes, I converted most of these from Kindle, but I also converted at least one from a PDF.
Here is a video I created for a friend showing what program I use to convert Kindle to rtf and then edit and create Personal Books in Logos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmSZ9GYTGo
Yes, I very much look forward to the Bart Ehrman vs. Robert Alter matchup. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/103549/716151.aspx
I would like to see Kruger take on Ehrman myself. Now that would be a great debate!
Altar isn't the kind to do a debate. He's more of a scholar than a theologian. I meant in some future March Madness wherein Logos carries lots of their books.
Put him up and let people decide for themselves. I hate this dogmatic sheep fencing from cocksure Christians who think they have it all nailed down.
LOL, but totally agree with you.
Agreed. I'd love to see more diverse perspectives on Logos than just conservative Evangelical and conservative Catholic. Even if you are conservative it doesn't hurt you to interact with other people's arguments/perspectives, so at least you actually know what you're disagreeing with.
It's interesting as well. I like to read other points of view so I can intelligently dialogue with those who may not agree with me. Of course while reading others I always have to question myself to see if I'm incorrect about a teaching etc.
Personally I like reading diverse views on spirituality. My theological training came from a Southern Baptist seminary and I consider myself a reformed Baptist. I was labelled an apostate simply because I wanted to learn more about other strands of spirituality. The naming isn't a big deal, sticks and stones - whatever.
So all IMHO.
Well I'm a non-liberal at a self-identified liberal seminary, and it would be nice if there were more books that my professors assign on Logos. I love the software and it would be great to have everything in one place. My NT professor actually "warned" us against using bible software because most of the resources in the libraries come from an almost exclusively conservative perspective. I don't think she was against any and all conservative perspectives, just the fact that the libraries would be too one-sided. Some of my bible professors have assigned readings and recommended commentaries written by Evangelicals. My OT professor actually identified as an Evangelical himself. I think my professors would be more likely to recommend the software if the libraries were a bit more diverse. Maybe Logos could expand it's user-base a bit.
Excellent points.
I watch the news and feel sad to see so many colleges where conservative points of view are being squelched because the far left wants safe spaces free from opposing viewpoints, and then I come here and see the same thing from the other perspective. Bart Ehrman provides a viewpoint which many in academia hold, and he presents his views in a very engaging manner. This is EXACTLY the type of opposing viewpoint we should have in Logos. Just because you read it doesn't mean you have to agree with it!
One underlying problem is the sheer number of books in print. Even if you go to a conservative seminary, many of the books you're assigned to read won't be available in Logos. It seems to me that FaithLife has expanded its offerings significantly since the Libronix days. But even with as massive a catalog as FaithLife has, I suspect they still have to be careful about where they invest their efforts. Striking the right balance in selecting which works to add has got to be difficult. My guess is that they started by adding those more liberal works that are most often assigned by the conservative schools they're already working with. Doing something like that would allow them to gradually expand their offerings over time to include a more liberal perspective, while still feeding their existing customer base.
James, I am not sure Logos offers a humor section (for surely Ehrman's arguments are a joke) but perhaps he may soon be combined with Heiser's laugh inducing work at a discount.
God bless your day.
Joshua
p.s. I liken an Ehrman book (in particular) to listening to an argument about how many angels dance on the head of a pin...pointless, trivial and a complete waste of time.
I've found it's best to learn about opposing views by those who hold them instead of those who refute them.
You realise your comment says nothing. Erhman could say just the same, the exact same words, about your POV also. And I'm sure many who hold his view would say those exact words.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I totally agree with you.
If I want to know what Ehrman believes then I would read something by him and I would hope that those who hold his views who want to know what I believe would come to me.
This is why I would like to see Ehrman's books in Logos.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I totally agree with you. If I want to know what Ehrman believes then I would read something by him and I would hope that those who hold his views who want to know what I believe would come to me. This is why I would like to see Ehrman's books in Logos.
I think DogWarrior was directing his comment to JoshInRi, not you.
Thanks - my mistake.
One man's heretic is another man's saint. Martin Luther and John Calvin are great examples. To some, these men are great reformers of the Church. To others, they're nothing more than heretics. Bob has addressed this particular issue (the selling of "heretical" books) here. Logos is a company that sells books of interest to Christians from many different theological perspectives. We exist to serve anyone who studies the Bible. For those of you interested in having Logos publish Ehrman's work or any other books that may be of interest to Bible students, we highly recommend that you email suggest@logos.com.
I need to have Bart Ehrman's Books in Logos BS. Any updates from FL?
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Agreed!
Might be a good idea to post this suggestion on feedback.faithlife.com, which didn't exist when this thread was first started. That way people can vote on it.
NEVER going to happen. All the signs of behind-the-scenes rejection have manifested for years.
And here I am just trying to figure out the Bible, which I think, sheds a lot of light on all books written by men... imho.
You know that this is a publisher issue (Ehrman publishes with HarperOne), not a rejection from FL side.
Due to the Wordsearch acquisition, now two of Ehrman's bible-critical works are n production: https://www.logos.com/search?query=author%3Aehrman&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all
You know that this is a publisher issue (Ehrman publishes with HarperOne), not a rejection from FL side. Due to the Wordsearch acquisition, now two of Ehrman's bible-critical works are n production: https://www.logos.com/search?query=author%3Aehrman&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all
Maybe this will open the door to be able to get more Ehrman titles from the publisher. Wishful thinking?
I would at least like to see The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, Misquoting Jesus, Lost Scriptures, Lost Christianities, and Did Jesus Exist in Logos if nothing else.
You know that this is a publisher issue (Ehrman publishes with HarperOne), not a rejection from FL side. Due to the Wordsearch acquisition, now two of Ehrman's bible-critical works are n production: https://www.logos.com/search?query=author%3Aehrman&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all Maybe this will open the door to be able to get more Ehrman titles from the publisher. Wishful thinking? I would at least like to see The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, Misquoting Jesus, Lost Scriptures, Lost Christianities, and Did Jesus Exist in Logos if nothing else.
I had not seen this. This is good news! I too would like to see his more academic works, which are certainly valuable for the critical interaction.
It's good to finally see some of Ehrman's books in Logos. There probably is a better chance of seeing more of his books than there is of Dracula returning. [:P]
