Okay, can we go back to the basics. Can someone show me that it is the toolbar not the ribbon that is customizable in Accordance? I don't own Accordance but from the posts here vs. the screen shots on the web, I'm not sure that we aren't talking apples to pomegranates.
New store button in Logos 9.5 beta 1
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Does this help?
Seems in my memory that I am not supposed to link to such and such a website, but here is a screenshot of some interest.
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Does this help?
Seems in my memory that I am not supposed to link to such and such a website, but here is a screenshot of some interest.Thank you. You have just confirmed what I suspected. In the terminology that as a Windows oriented person I use is not the same as people referencing Accordance are using. To me, the toolbar is the line above the ribbon which has icons. Now that I understand the vocabulary of the other side, perhaps the suggestion and thread will make more sense rather than feeling like a violation of basic UI design.
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Not sure that terminology makes a difference to this thread, which is about the store button (which has not been a user request) added to the bar in Logos taking up valuable space, in opposition to the user requests to save/maximise space in that bar.
However, for reference of terminology see https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/t/toolbar.htm and https://docs.devexpress.com/WindowsForms/1199/controls-and-libraries/ribbon-bars-and-menu
HTH,
James
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James Hudson said:
Not sure that terminology makes a difference to this thread,
It may not to you but it does to me given the UI principles I was taught/confined to by standards/practiced. While the usage I learned may or may not be standard usage on certain platforms, it is the usage I know and understand things in terms of. I had checked with Microsoft dev guidelines before a post several days ago and was the person to first raise the question of the placement of the store icon. I did do my homework before asking for the very specific piece of information that I needed - I would be surprised if it were what others needed. Thank you for taking the time to find and supply additional references.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I think you distracted the thread from the point of the OP, MJ. I know you wouldn't do such a thing on purpose. The point isn't ribbons and toolbars; the point is the unwanted new store icon--and being given no option to remove it.
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Sorry if a lifetime career in IT has made me want to know the facts and standards before proposing the best solution. While I did not initiate this thread, I did initiate the first thread on the topic and thought best to consolidate the discussion in the more active thread.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Willie said:
Accordance has allowed everything on their main toolbar to be hideable for a long time and it appears to be very popular with their users. Within their toolbar customizing menu they include a “Reset” button to restore all default toolbar items.
I too was curious. I went out to the garage, and started up my old 2014 Accordance. And sure enough, you could select the tools you'd like, in the order preferred. Of course, Libby was an early (and sophisticated) customizer.
But when I checked Bibleworks, I was surprised. Of course, they had the ribbon of many colors. But you could force the toolbar to convert to hamburger menus. Indeed, I took the plunge, clearing off both the tool bar and ribbon. A whole screen of just 'Bible'!
I think the L4+ hard-boxed interface sort of tied Logos' digital paws. If I remember, Bob didn't like the MS multi-level menus (which later resurrected as hamburgers, etc).
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Noted. We're discussing what that could look like. Two possible approaches:
- Different collapsing behavior that prioritizes more important items as you run out of space
- Ability to customize the toolbar by hiding certain items
If #2, should we do it based on aggregate usage? Anything fewer than x% of users use should be hideable? Everything should be hideable based on individual user preferences? By what principles would we allow hiding the Store button but not the Sync button, the Profile menu, the Close All button, the Home button, or the Logos logo? I can see users in many cases saying they would like to be able to hide these because they never use them. If we do come up with something here, I'd like it to be principled and consistent rather than making a quick reaction to a change that might end up being okay after a few weeks of adjustment.
Thanks for voicing your feedback. We'll keep listening.
Is there any update on what will be done about this? I see the RC1 version has come out. I have turned off automatic updates so that I don't receive this update. I have no more space on my toolbar. Please make the toolbar fully customizable and in the control of the user. I need to be able to remove this button. I can't update until I have that ability.
Here are my full thoughts that I posted to another thread. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/200379/1166218.aspx#1166218
Faithlife needs to listen to its customers on this one. There are plenty of useful, helpful ways to get to the store already from the software. I actually like what you don't with the Bookstore search and with the Store tab in the Library. We don't need and don't want a toolbar button.
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Kiyah said:
I see the RC1 version has come out.
I am disappointed that it still seems to be impossible to hide the Store button.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
That same logo could take us to the store and that makes perfect sense for me.
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I totally agree that the currently function-less Logos logo should be turned into the Store button, and get rid of the new Shopping cart button which is totally out of place with the rest of the screen elements which are study-related.
Please!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
Noted. We're discussing what that could look like. Two possible approaches:
- Different collapsing behavior that prioritizes more important items as you run out of space
- Ability to customize the toolbar by hiding certain items
If #2, should we do it based on aggregate usage? Anything fewer than x% of users use should be hideable? Everything should be hideable based on individual user preferences? By what principles would we allow hiding the Store button but not the Sync button, the Profile menu, the Close All button, the Home button, or the Logos logo? I can see users in many cases saying they would like to be able to hide these because they never use them. If we do come up with something here, I'd like it to be principled and consistent rather than making a quick reaction to a change that might end up being okay after a few weeks of adjustment.
Thanks for voicing your feedback. We'll keep listening.
Late to the discussion - but I promise you I will NEVER use this button. I have NEVER bought from the Library. Why not just let people edit EVERYTHING on the toolbar? All that button is doing to users like me is frustrating us. I might use it library. I might consider using it on the Home page. But when I go into the layout I prefer for study, I am there to study, NOT shop. You have a section in the default Guides. I'm happy to have it there. Make it useful so that if I search for a word or a passage and you have some great deals on books that would have showed up in my search in that section, I might go buy it real quick since it's very fast to download and install. I could be studying those books within minutes.
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Lynden Williams said:
I like it. Using a 17" monitor space is not a problem.
But you certainly wouldn't be angry if they had it on by default and allowed users to hide by choice would you?
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
By what principles would we allow hiding the Store button but not the Sync button, the Profile menu, the Close All button, the Home button, or the Logos logo?
Allow the Store button to be hidden irrespective of space considerations. It really has no place in the main toolbar.
Dave
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“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
For reasons unknown to me, Faithlife has merged the above request with a different request, which is to remove the Store button entirely.
As such, I invite you to vote for https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/allow-us-to-hide-the-new-store-button instead. The new request EMPHASIZES that it is a "Let us hide" request rather than a "Remove" request. Of course, nothing is stopping you from voting for both, but they are meaningfully different.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I have had Logos for more than a dozen years spent thousands of dollars on it.
I have never blogged or contacted you before. This store button should be in a drop down menu and the main screen one needs to be hide-able.
I like having access to it but I do not like it so in the face.
Thanks
John McKinley
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SineNomine said:
For reasons unknown to me, Faithlife has merged the above request with a different request, which is to remove the Store button entirely.
Probably to get the numbers up. However, I think they will implement a "hide" option to please/soothe both sides!
Dave
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
By what principles would we allow hiding the Store button but not the Sync button, the Profile menu, the Close All button, the Home button, or the Logos logo?
As an addendum to my other, previous arguments: one can justify allowing the hiding of only the Store button because far more users are vocally upset about not being able to banish the Store button from their toolbar than are upset about being unable to hide any other button on it.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:
I don't like the new button at all and I really want to perma-hide mine.
Adam Borries (Faithlife) said:“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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