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https://www.logos.com/product/17265/foundations-of-contemporary-interpretation

Thanks for pointing out that book. I guess it's worth searching by author too, but as you say there's no visual cue to the individual books, so you might still pass over the omnibus edition.

Ben

Yes, thanks! Happy to pick up Long, Art of Biblical History, among others, in one shot.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216981#Comment_1216981

I think I own three of these in hard copy, all bought in the last 3-4 years, and I could have gotten them all for a fraction in Logos. [:$] & [:@]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216984#Comment_1216984

Well, if David AND Ben like it, I purchased (and on sale). Good authors.

Added:

Well, it didn't take long to become horrified. Silva (from below) goes on, not to defend Hebrew, but to question Greek (validly). But Hebrew ... my impression from my many years of Logosian citizenship, is Hebrew is not well presented in Logos. And Greek, over-presented.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216985#Comment_1216985

Well, if David AND Ben like it, I purchased (and on sale). Good authors.

Added:

Well, it didn't take long to become horrified. Silva (from below) goes on, not to defend Hebrew, but to question Greek (validly). But Hebrew ... my impression from my many years of Logosian citizenship, is Hebrew is not well presented in Logos. And Greek, over-presented.

I’m not too sure about how useful this 6 in 1 volume is. I have other books in the subject that probably do a better job. Is there meaning in this text is another that doesn’t seem to contribute much to what’s already available in my library. Good discount?, yes, how useful? I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♂️

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216986#Comment_1216986

I have other books in the subject that probably do a better job.

I'm not sure how you would determine that. And I don't know about your library. I'm still on chapter 1, though I've perused the others for directionality. From the intro (to the grouping), and from the subject coverage, it looks like it's directed at seminary students, maybe 2nd or 3rd year, who are in danger of over-simplifying, and over-analyzing the text. Sounds like FL (a bit catty).

Which seems like what you've been saying, over the years. So, maybe yes ... preaching to a choir you already have.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216986#Comment_1216986

Well, if David AND Ben like it, I purchased (and on sale). Good authors.

Added:

Well, it didn't take long to become horrified. Silva (from below) goes on, not to defend Hebrew, but to question Greek (validly). But Hebrew ... my impression from my many years of Logosian citizenship, is Hebrew is not well presented in Logos. And Greek, over-presented.

I’m not too sure about how useful this 6 in 1 volume is. I have other books in the subject that probably do a better job. Is there meaning in this text is another that doesn’t seem to contribute much to what’s already available in my library. Good discount?, yes, how useful? I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♂️

Which books are you thinking of DAL in your library that may be better?

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217006#Comment_1217006

I’ll let you know when I’m by my computer 👌

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217022#Comment_1217022

I’ll let you know when I’m by my computer 👌

Thanks

Ben

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216985#Comment_1216985

Well, if David AND Ben like it, I purchased (and on sale). Good authors.

This was mostly for Long (which I read several years ago) and Longman, whom I like as an author (but haven't read here). I'm mostly aware of Silva's book on the Septuagint, and not a fan of Poythress. (don't want to be taken as enthusiastically endorsing the whole collection.)

But you can't beat converting paper to Logos for $8.99.

Ben

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1216985#Comment_1216985

Well, if David AND Ben like it, I purchased (and on sale). Good authors.

But you can't beat converting paper to Logos for $8.99.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217072#Comment_1217072

I'm mostly aware of Silva's book on the Septuagint,

Silva's kind of like the contributors to the New Jerome Commentary ... they wildly wend their way across the fields of scholarly analysis, but re-alight at the last minute, in Christian/Catholic safety, demanding a logical break before the last sentence!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217039#Comment_1217039

I’ll let you know when I’m by my computer 👌

Thanks

I’m all about being practical. If I could have just one book besides de 6 in 1 book on sale, it would be this one: https://www.logos.com/product/156762/interpreting-the-new-testament-text-introduction-to-the-art-and-science-of-exegesis

It’s both informative and practical and it actually gives you examples where what you learn is applied 👍😁👌

DAL

PS. I went ahead and bought David Paul’s recommendation because it’s really cheap when you think about it, so I may use it some day 👌

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217154#Comment_1217154

It’s both informative and practical and it actually gives you examples where what you learn is applied 👍😁👌

PS. I went ahead and bought David Paul’s recommendation because it’s really cheap when you think about it, so I may use it some day 👌

Well, the Paul recommended book isn't going to be practical, nor informative (per se). 'Weeds' quickly comes to mind. But good.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217154#Comment_1217154

I’ll let you know when I’m by my computer 👌

Thanks

I’m all about being practical. If I could have just one book besides de 6 in 1 book on sale, it would be this one: https://www.logos.com/product/156762/interpreting-the-new-testament-text-introduction-to-the-art-and-science-of-exegesis

It’s both informative and practical and it actually gives you examples where what you learn is applied 👍😁👌

DAL

PS. I went ahead and bought David Paul’s recommendation because it’s really cheap when you think about it, so I may use it some day 👌

Thanks DAL. I bought the 6 in 1 book, but after a quick scan through decided whilst it was great value, it's probably not something I'll ever get round to reading. These sales come round every now and then so maybe I'll pick up next time if my budget isn't so stretched.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217157#Comment_1217157

To be clear, this thread is for "making aware" rather than "recommending".

I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again...the only resources I agree with in my Logos library are the Bibles...and the lexicons, mostly, I guess (although I did post a sort of endorsement for John Bevere's The Fear of the Lord, which I think is 90ish% spot on (for certain prophetic reasons, it's essentially impossible for anything to be 100%). So in providing the alert for this series omnibus, it was definitely more due to the "hidden" (actually hard to find) nature of the book(s), and not because I'm promoting the authors/works. I do have 2 or 3 of them in hard back, but as is true with my Logos library, resources I acquire for my tree library aren't chosen due to perceived agreement. Mostly I buy based on topic. Occasionally, after reading, I may find a book that crosses into 40-50% agreement, but that's pretty rare. I read mostly for fact acquisition (typically scholarly works, since they usually aren't clouded by theology), and for POV acquisition.

Whether or not I agree with a person's assessment of data, pretty much every person (thus every author) has something that is uniquely valuable: their individual point of view. For the most part, I mean this in a fundamentally positional and spatial sense, although there is a psychological dimension as well. If I'm in an art class, and we are all arrayed around a bowl of fruit, when I finish my picture of apple, peach, pear, pineapple, and grapes, then I get up and walk to the other side of the class and see another student putting finishing touches on her picture of apple, peach, pineapple, grapes, and banana, it makes no sense at all for me to excoriate her for including a banana and failing to include a pear. Although we were both looking at the same "thing" (a bowl of fruit), we didn't (and couldn't!) see the same thing in terms of the details. I didn't see the banana and didn't factor it in to my picture, and for her, the same thing was true for the pear. POV is unique and nearly impossible to replicate in real world scenarios. That said, while the self-reporting that we get from people about their POVs is highly useful in providing unique and otherwise unavailable material that helps increase our fund of knowledge and awareness, that doesn't mean that other people are good assessors of the facts and information they take in. In other words, while a person's POV is invaluable, their developed opinion of what their POV "means" may be nearly worthless.

An example is Jacque Derrida and Deconstruction(ism). He popularized the topic and is strongly associated with it, even to the extent that what-all he said about it is supposed and assumed by many to be "what it is". But all Derrida did was identify a very real phenomenon that wasn't fully described up to that point. The fact is, while Derrida made some useful observations about it, when he began to assess, describe, and attribute "meaning" to what he had perceived, his results were pretty ham-fisted, even to the point that he obscured the true value of the concept by associating it with peripheral issues that had less to do with the phenomenon itself and more to do with "issues that mattered" to Derrida. Derrida's POV (seeing deconstruction as a "thing") is/was extraordinarily valuable. His conclusions and applications (his extracted "meanings") are mostly immaterial.

So, I read mainly for reportage as opposed to reaction. I read for point-of-view rather than for viewpoint.

Most of my tree books are in storage, but I have two of the books from this series on hand and have started them both. I hope to get something valuable from them (POV) whether or not I agree with anything in them.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217192#Comment_1217192

To be clear, this thread is for "making aware" rather than "recommending".

Thanks for pointing out the resource. It's always great to be pointed to resources others may have missed.

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217195#Comment_1217195

I appreciated the recommendation. I had not seen it, and I bought it! And some of us like strolling amongst the weeds.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217192#Comment_1217192

To be clear, this thread is for "making aware" rather than "recommending".

I'd definitely recommend; my continued strolling, ran into Silva's discussion below. From a practical matter, building linguistic neural nets, early on, I stripped the Hebrew vowels, accents, etc, thinking 'not original', and potentially pseudo-pattern creating.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217309#Comment_1217309

To be clear, this thread is for "making aware" rather than "recommending".

I'd definitely recommend; my continued strolling, ran into Silva's discussion below. From a practical matter, building linguistic neural nets, early on, I stripped the Hebrew vowels, accents, etc, thinking 'not original', and potentially pseudo-pattern creating.

Since I am not that good at determining when you are being wry, or just being somewhat wry, I just assume you are being wry. Even so, I often am not sure what you mean. Since that's the case, I'm just going to post this...

Pretty sure his confidence is based in part by comparing the MT with the LXX text. There is a very high correlation and corroboration of the vowel pronunciations between the two sources. There are actually more variances with consonants since, for instance, Greek has no "sh" sound.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217318#Comment_1217318

Since I am not that good at determining when you are being wry, or just being somewhat wry, I just assume you are being wry. Even so, I often am not sure what you mean.

Well, you're right. Wry-ification is both confusing and sometimes tedious.

First, I agree with Silva, vs Waltke. The reason why, is the linguistic neural nets ... author patterns, and hebrew approximate dating (final and earlier layers). Moving the chrono-needle back to Hellenistic Egypt isn't helpful (though that's as far back as the papyri/scroll-fragments go.

Worse, the underlying assumptions of modern Hebrew usage/analytics (eg Logos), is a presumed late Hebrew source (wildly jumping from Isaiah to Genesis to Nahum, as if the authors knew each other and talked the same Hebrew).

But I don't disregard Waltke's position for other uses.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217331#Comment_1217331

First, I agree with Silva, vs Waltke. The reason why, is the linguistic neural nets ... author patterns, and hebrew approximate dating (final and earlier layers).

Can you point me in a direction for support?

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1217331#Comment_1217331

Well, you're right. Wry-ification is both confusing and sometimes tedious.

I am challenged to glean thru your posts, ever so wry, to winnow out the wheat. Mostly, I am chafed by the lack of informational content: aka, mucho chaff fluttering about my turnstile.

Then, sometimes I get to enjoy a posting containing actual informational content.

to me, wry is like pepper in a stew - A modest amount will do.