ChatGPT INTEGRATION PLEASE🔥🔥🔥

Brandon Early
Brandon Early Member Posts: 111
edited December 2024 in English Forum

Factbook is nice. But if you could somehow introduce and integrate Open AI ChatGPT in to Logos. 
I would love it if Logos better understood the resources I own and become better at answering questions based on the resources I own. 

This would be INCREDIBLY valuable for the user. 
AND become a BIG reason to purchase more resources. 

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would sure be cool. Imagine being able to ask it questions in fluid English (not having to know some arcane search syntax) and get back answers like this. Then again, seminary professors, beware! This will definitely be used by students to avoid learning for themselves. We need to be sure we are not producing a next generation of seminary grads who can only parrot what AI tells them.

  • Brandon Early
    Brandon Early Member Posts: 111

    I don’t disagree about the ability of cutting corners, but that’s true for just about everything on the Internet. I guess it comes down to integrity.

  • Brandon Early
    Brandon Early Member Posts: 111

    AI is so interesting/curious to me right now. This in an interesting video. 

  • Peter K
    Peter K Member Posts: 1

    Yes please!! 

    Logos Devs - there's a way to "fine tune" ChatGPT with specific content (ex. Content purchased on Logos). I think people would pay well for an ability to chat with ChatGPT that has been fine tuned to Logos' content.

    https://beta.openai.com/docs/api-reference/fine-tunes/create

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭

    Training an AI using the Logo's content and then being able to use it to perform search functions etc would be wonderful.
    Moreover, being able to prioritize or limit the AI to specific resources would also be essential, and would help overcome any biases introduced to its responses if it’s sourcing material from 'everything in logos' or even everything in my own library. Personalizing the AI to each user has so much potential. 

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,285

    You mean I shouldn't be able to ask "How did those bl....dy heretics/schismatics get it so wrong about nnnn?" just because each of us mean a different group by heretics/schismatics/pagans?

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭

    Hahaha - well if the AI is on my side then I must be right!

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,952

    Like most other forward-thinking tech companies, we're very engaged in thinking about how AI could improve our products and following all the advances closely. However, it's fair to say that while there have been many very impressive demos, OpenAI and others are still a long way off being able to offer reliable ChatGPT integration to companies like Faithlife, a very long way off from making that affordable, and a very, very long way off making it possible to customize for individuals.

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭

    So we can expect something in the beta for v24 then? Thanks Mark!! 😜

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,952

    So we can expect something in the beta for v24 then? Thanks Mark!! 😜

    Right now, Bradley's whipping something together in his lunch break!

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure there are also ethical concerns with how people like preachers and students would be tempted to use AI for their writing. A lot of people's sermons already sound like they could have been just as easily written by chatbots (smh). And we already have proven instances of preachers and scholars plagiarizing. Seems like AI is about to make things even worse.

    But I'm all for a customized AI experience for Logos at what ever point that becomes technologically and financially feasible. The cheaters are going to find a way to cheat regardless. Faithlife just has to protect itself from liability for any user wrongdoing. Expect updated terms and conditions whenever Faithlife implements AI lol.

  • Brandon Early
    Brandon Early Member Posts: 111

    Right now, Bradley's whipping something together in his lunch break!

    Let Bradley know that if he gets it up and running and let's me be an Alpha tester I will buy him lunch. Smile

  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭

    I am not convinced such technology is a good idea in a product Logos, it all comes down to how it was implemented.  I want Logos to be able to better point me to resources that are more relevant to what I am studying, but I don‘t want AI replacing the development of my own learning, reading and critical thinking skills. As it is today most people rely on translations and secondary sources as we don’t know the languages the primary sources were written. To then have AI to replace our need to even read the translations and secondary sources and eliminate the joy of discovery and need for us to think for ourselves, I’m not in favour of such a direction for Logos Bible Software.

    I don’t believe this is the intent of Brandon‘s suggestion just putting out my 2 cents.

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭✭

    I am not convinced such technology is a good idea in a product Logos, it all comes down to how it was implemented.  I want Logos to be able to better point me to resources that are more relevant to what I am studying, but I don‘t want AI replacing the development of my own learning, reading and critical thinking skills. As it is today most people rely on translations and secondary sources as we don’t know the languages the primary sources were written. To then have AI to replace our need to even read the translations and secondary sources and eliminate the joy of discovery and need for us to think for ourselves, I’m not in favour of such a direction for Logos Bible Software.

    I don’t believe this is the intent of Brandon‘s suggestion just putting out my 2 cents.

    I would be in favor of them using AI to make Faithlife Assistant work better, such as finding information using the resources in my library to answer questions, changing settings, executing commands, suggesting books and articles from my library, or even teaching me how to use a feature in Logos. It would help with accessibility as well. But they shouldn't implement it in a way that it writes sermons and papers for you, which people are demo-ing in YouTube videos right now.

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭

    Kiyah said:

    I would be in favor of them using AI to make Faithlife Assistant work better, such as finding information using the resources in my library to answer questions, changing settings, executing commands, suggesting books and articles from my library, or even teaching me how to use a feature in Logos. It would help with accessibility as well. But they shouldn't implement it in a way that it writes sermons and papers for you, which people are demo-ing in YouTube videos right now.

    This. This is how I imagine AI could be most helpfully integrated into Logos in a responsible way.


    The whole reason we have Bible Software in the first place is to make the work of ministry easier and faster. Physically searching for a word in BDAG while exegeting a passage takes 2 minutes, but it only takes a few seconds in Logos. Physically searching my college library while researching for an essay can take hours, with Logos it is minutes. If AI implementation into logos continues to improve upon the speed at which I can access or process data then I'm all for it. Time saved here behind the scenes allows me more time to speak with people, share the gospel, pray etc.


    But getting AI to write sermons or essays for me which I pass off as my own.? Yeah nah that's a hard pass. The work of ministry is the application of the gospel to the lives and hearts of people - I can do that because I know my people, an AI doesn't.

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭

    I have no issue with the finding of information, it’s AI doing the work I should be doing myself as someine created in the image of God with the ability to reason and think for myself. I should be coming prayerfully before God and seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit rather than an asking a AI to take the place of my reliance upon the Holy Spirit.

    Kiyah said:

    I am not convinced such technology is a good idea in a product Logos, it all comes down to how it was implemented.  I want Logos to be able to better point me to resources that are more relevant to what I am studying, but I don‘t want AI replacing the development of my own learning, reading and critical thinking skills. As it is today most people rely on translations and secondary sources as we don’t know the languages the primary sources were written. To then have AI to replace our need to even read the translations and secondary sources and eliminate the joy of discovery and need for us to think for ourselves, I’m not in favour of such a direction for Logos Bible Software.

    I don’t believe this is the intent of Brandon‘s suggestion just putting out my 2 cents.

    I would be in favor of them using AI to make Faithlife Assistant work better, such as finding information using the resources in my library to answer questions, changing settings, executing commands, suggesting books and articles from my library, or even teaching me how to use a feature in Logos. It would help with accessibility as well. But they shouldn't implement it in a way that it writes sermons and papers for you, which people are demo-ing in YouTube videos right now.

  • Fábio Silva
    Fábio Silva Member Posts: 41

    Fair enough, and well done for addressing this directly. Cost wise you could alway offer on the side a subscription based model (faithlife assistant premium 😁)... Like any other technology innovation prices start high but then tends to drop massively, if the only thin holding this back would be coat I'm sure some of us would be willing to front that cost (within reason).

    I'm not going to pretend that I know enough about the other issues raised, but makes sense seeing that this technology is still in its infancy. Again I guess it's a matter of time for those issues to resolved/polished, and am glad that you guys have it on the radar. 

    Logos 11 maybe?😁😁😁  "Bible study taken to the AI-xtreme with Logos 11" (might or might not have been created by chat GPT)

  • Fábio Silva
    Fábio Silva Member Posts: 41

    Fair enough, and well done for addressing this directly. Cost wise you could alway offer on the side a subscription based model (faithlife assistant premium 😁)... Like any other technology innovation prices start high but then tends to drop massively, if the only thin holding this back would be coat I'm sure some of us would be willing to front that cost (within reason).

    I'm not going to pretend that I know enough about the other issues raised, but makes sense seeing that this technology is still in its infancy. Again I guess it's a matter of time for those issues to resolved/polished, and am glad that you guys have it on the radar. 

    Logos 11 maybe?😁😁😁  "Bible study taken to the AI-xtreme with Logos 11" (might or might not have been created by chat GPT)

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭

    That would sure be cool. Imagine being able to ask it questions in fluid English (not having to know some arcane search syntax) and get back answers like this. Then again, seminary professors, beware! This will definitely be used by students to avoid learning for themselves. We need to be sure we are not producing a next generation of seminary grads who can only parrot what AI tells them.

    I'm with you on this AI search thingy ....  Then we add voice to that and bidda bang!!!   Less typing!!!! Dr. Spock lives again!!!

    I see it now..... "Logos... find the answer to who Cains wife was?"       Seriously... I think AI would help Search.    [8-|]

    xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    xnman said:

    I'm with you on this AI search thingy ....  Then we add voice to that and bidda bang!!!   Less typing!!!! Dr. Spock lives again!!!

    I see it now..... "Logos... find the answer to who Cains wife was?"       Seriously... I think AI would help Search.    Geeked

    I remember a day around 30 years ago, when I was driving to work, and had time to reflect on what would make my life easier. At the time I used to use a hand-held mini tape recorder to record messages/reminders to myself (e.g, remember to schedule appointment with..., etc.), and I kept it on the passenger's seat whenever I was driving, as that's when those ideas would pop into my head.

    I was thinking how cool it would be if there were a digital assistant that you could talk to, ask it questions and have it do stuff for you, hands free. You could ask it complicated requests like: "look into flights from Seattle to Boston for approximately Feb 17-22 and let me know the best options, and then book the one I choose."

    Well, fast forward a few decades, and now there's Siri. And now ChatGPT is taking the AI up a notch. We are almost at that vision I had of the smart digital assistant. ChatGPT needs voice recognition and needs to have access to up-to-the-minute info, and integration with the mobile apps that Siri can control, and then we're there. It's not that far off: maybe 3-5 years.

    I imagine I'd want to use it in Logos to do manual tasks for me, like look up all the books I've bought over the years that I haven't tagged yet, and tag them according to these rules: ...  (An AI could scan through the content of a book and figure out if it has to do with any of your topic tags, such as some of mine: Arts, Poetry, Film, Science, Sermons, Hymns, etc. It could learn my tagging habits and keep up with them when I fall behind.)

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭

    lol.  I had a mini tape recorder that I carried with me also.... and then when I got to the office....I gave it to my secretary.... she was like a digital helper!  "Julie... get me a red eye to IAH for the 29th coming back on the 8th."  and bingo.... it was done!

    I think it will happen with digital things. It seems logical that it's the next big step. I do see a cavity in all this.... that of making bible study mundane and thus people doing less of it.... I don't mind helps.... but nothing can take the place of human study.   And as to God's word.... I think people are dumb enough already... OMHO [8-|]

    xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭

    and get back answers like this

    So where can I find a teenager (or the equivalent) to show me how to install and set up this thing on my computer? It looks like a heck of a lot of fun.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doc B said:

    and get back answers like this

    So where can I find a teenager (or the equivalent) to show me how to install and set up this thing on my computer? It looks like a heck of a lot of fun.

    You don't need to install anything. You go to https://chat.openai.com/chat and set up an account. Then just type your question into the box at the bottom of the screen.

    Occasionally you might get a message saying ChatGPT is overloaded and you'll have to try again some other time. But they've been working at scaling it up to be able to handle the higher load with all the recent interest in it. Also occasionally you might have to refresh the browser tab (F5 on Windows) if you've been inactive for a while and come back to try another chat.

    All, in all, it's been very educational playing with it for the past couple of weeks. I'm finding what its limitations are (and there are many). But I'm also impressed at how much it can do.

    There are all kinds of interesting ethical discussions taking place about this new technology. I wanted to understand it so that I could engage thoughtfully, in a theologically informed way, in such discussions.

    I'll leave you with this intriguing article from the Jewish Chronicle:

    New York rabbi delivers sermon written by artificial intelligence

    And this one in Church Today:

    Is Artificial Intelligence the Solution For Helping Church Staff?

  • Mark
    Mark Member Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭

    Following this thread.  Been hearing a bit about this technology...

  • JH
    JH Member Posts: 801 ✭✭✭

    The technology behind ChatGPT can be used to enhance a smaller corpus of specialized resources such as those in the Logos library in several ways:

    1. Text completion: By training an AI chatbot on a smaller corpus of specialized resources, it can complete or predict missing text in the corpus, making it more comprehensive. This can also help with searches as some have already mentioned in this thread.

    2. Text summarization: An AI chatbot can be trained to summarize the information in a smaller corpus of specialized resources, making it more accessible and easier to navigate. For example, ask the Chatbot to summarize an entire journal article in one paragraph to see if it worth reading in more detail (like providing an abstract where one does not already exist).

    3. Text classification: An AI chatbot can be trained to classify text in a specialized corpus, making it easier to search and retrieve specific information. It can also tie texts from many different types of resources to make connections that are not readily apparent.

    4. Text-to-Q&A: An AI chatbot can be fine-tuned to provide answers to questions posed by users, making the specialized resources more interactive and user-friendly (which some in this thread have also mentioned).

    The quality of the output will depend on the size and quality of the specialized corpus used for training (entire Logos library?). The more specific, diverse, and high-quality the corpus is, the better the results will be.

    The amount of time it takes to train an AI chatbot on a specific corpus can vary depending on several factors:

    1. Size of the corpus: The larger the corpus, the more data the chatbot has to learn from, and the longer it will take to train.

    2. Quality of the corpus: The quality of the corpus can affect the training time. A high-quality corpus, with well-written, diverse, and relevant data, will require less time to train than a low-quality corpus.

    3. Hardware: The hardware used for training will also affect the training time. Training on a powerful supercomputer will be faster than training on a smaller CPU. There are CONSIDERABLE hardware resources currently required on the backend to make these work well. For example, ChatGPT was trained on an Azure AI supercomputing infrastructure. Somebody has to pay for that computing time...

    4. Number of epochs: The number of times the model is trained on the corpus, also known as epochs, can affect the training time. The more epochs, the longer the training will take.

    5. Fine-tuning or pre-training: If you are fine-tuning a pre-trained model on a specific corpus, it will take less time than training a model from scratch on the same corpus. This is helpful, for example, when adding new resources to a library that has already been used to train an AI chatbot.

    In general, it can take a considerable amount of time to train an AI chatbot on a specific corpus, depending on the size and quality of the corpus, the hardware used and the parameters set. Attention-based models combined with reinforcement learning and other supervised training are usually also required to fix biased behavior and biased results (among other limitations).

    All of that said, I can envision a chatbot like interface to enhance Logos that could be very useful for some applications.

    P.S. Even though a have a background in AI, I used ChatGPT to help produce this post (with my own modifications) to illustrate its abilities for those who have not yet used it.

  • Brandon Early
    Brandon Early Member Posts: 111

    I love reading all these ideas. I hope Logos is seeing and asking, “How can we…”

    I have asked ChatGPT to write a sermon based on the passage, or to write an outline based on the passage, and it does a good job of giving you the surface level premise, but there’s nothing dynamic. 

    I think it’s a great selling point to note that the larger your library, the smarter (or more options) the AI would be. We have factbook and fuzzy search, very helpful, this would move in that direction and be an incredibly helpful tool.

    Sometimes I just don’t know how to properly search all of my resources, this would be a game changer in research and preparation.

  • Brandon Early
    Brandon Early Member Posts: 111

    I love reading all these ideas. I hope Logos is seeing and asking, “How can we…”

    I have asked ChatGPT to write a sermon based on the passage, or to write an outline based on the passage, and it does a good job of giving you the surface level premise, but there’s nothing dynamic. 

    I think it’s a great selling point to note that the larger your library, the smarter (or more options) the AI would be. We have factbook and fuzzy search, very helpful, this would move in that direction and be an incredibly helpful tool.

    Sometimes I just don’t know how to properly search all of my resources, this would be a game changer in research and preparation.

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭

    Nothing can take the place of getting God's word into our hearts.  If something does take that place... then what kind of ambassadors for Christ have we become?

    I see AI helping with search ... or maybe something like improving Factbook .....but I personally would not use something that would actually hinder my personal study and learning of God's word. I'll roll my own.... thank you very much.

    Maybe I should keep my paper library??

    xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!