Notes or NoteBooks
I have complained for years about the confusion regarding the terminology. Notes or Notebooks. Those two terms are used interchangeably sometimes in ERROR. FIT IT. PLEASE!
I have had numerous responses affirming my point.
I have a solution.
When we make a NOTEBOOK, what we are really doing is creating our own THEME. Then we add NOTES to it. That is profound as we discover THEMES in Scripture!
And this makes sense to us not-so-literate computer users.
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
I have complained for years about the confusion regarding the terminology. Notes or Notebooks. Those two terms are used interchangeably sometimes in ERROR.
i don't think I've come across this - can you provide some examples please?
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This is a duplicate thread:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/214112.aspx
Rick mistakenly thinks that the only thing Notebooks are used for is THEMES and wants them to be renamed THEMES, but as others explain in that thread, different people use them for different purposes.
Rick, simply put, a Notebook is a collection of Notes. Notes can stand alone; they do not need to be inside a Notebook. A Notebook is a way of organizing Notes so they are not all a heap of unorganized Notes. Just like you write notes to yourself in pen on loose slips of paper, or you can write them on pages in a 3-ring notebook. The latter is more organized, but it doesn't preclude you from also doing the former if you want. Your 3-ring binders could be named by THEME, or by Book of the Bible, or by YEAR (say, if you're a seminary teacher and most of your notes are for classes you've taught in the past), or by whatever organizing principle you want. And they don't even all have to use the same classification scheme. I have one Notebook that is just for Typos I have reported. I have others for various kinds of highlighting I've used. I have others for Topics (or Themes as you call them).
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Rosie Perera said:
Rick mistakenly thinks that the only thing Notebooks are used for is THEMES
Maybe...or maybe you are giving the term "theme" an unnecessarily narrow definition. You imply that "book" isn't a theme, when it certainly can be, just as "year" can be a theme. It seems that he means "collection identifier" when he uses "theme", which is what all your specific notebook appelatives are...a collected selection of notes based on some identifying characteristic. Your use of "classification scheme" could be retermed as "theme" pretty easily. I'm not saying that "theme" is the best choice, but it is pretty good--certainly good enough for conversational purposes.
I'm reminded of MS's persistent and perpertually doomed insistence on called the system tray in Windows "the notification area". It is and will forever be rightly called "the system tray", unofficial as that term may be, not least among reasons being the preferable desirability of a specific and highly identifiable 3-syllable term as opposed to a hopelessly generic and memorably dull 8-syllable term. "Theme" is drastically more preferable compared to "classification scheme", even if it isn't perfect.
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David Paul said:Rosie Perera said:
Rick mistakenly thinks that the only thing Notebooks are used for is THEMES
Maybe...or maybe you are giving the term "theme" an unnecessarily narrow definition. You imply that "book" isn't a theme, when it certainly can be, just as "year" can be a theme. It seems that he means "collection identifier" when he uses "theme", which is what all your specific notebook appelatives are...a collected selection of notes based on some identifying characteristic. Your use of "classification scheme" could be retermed as "theme" pretty easily. I'm not saying that "theme" is the best choice, but it is pretty good--certainly good enough for conversational purposes.
I'm reminded of MS's persistent and perpertually doomed insistence on called the system tray in Windows "the notification area". It is and will forever be rightly called "the system tray", unofficial as that term may be, not least among reasons being the preferable desirability of a specific and highly identifiable 3-syllable term as opposed to a hopelessly generic and memorably dull 8-syllable term. "Theme" is drastically more preferable compared to "classification scheme", even if it isn't perfect.
I still don't understand how themes would work in Notes.... I can see maybe themes associated with a Notebook.... so that all the notes of the Notebook are of the same "appearance".... Otherwise.... I just think themes would be confusing in Notes.....
The old theory...."If it works don't fix it" is still a good theory to go by.... and Notes are working really well.... IMHO. [8-|]
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What issue are you referring to here Rick?
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Shoot I tried to add dialog to my post. It didn't work. It's probably lost in space. I'll try again. Inspiration for me is like a bubble. It's gone...
As some of you know I have brought this up before. Long ago. I even talked to MP Seminars Service and they confirmed that this was an old complaint. They agreed I was on the right track, and they had brought it up with Logos several times but to no avail. Da
I am NOT trying to change any process. It's simple. Just replace the word "NOTEBOOK" with THEMES or TOPICS. Those words are no more limited than NOTEBOOKS. Don't over think it. They are basically Synonyms. Just going around the same block a different way.
The dialog in this blog topic it is clear that some of us elementary users are not getting full use of this tool. That's sad. We need stuff like this under the KISS system. (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID) That's cowboy logic. [:)] Our friends and willing guides like MJ and GK are power users. They are free to use that street. More power to them. They are very helpful and I appreciate them lots. But us elementary users need simple to get deeper. At 75 that's even worse. 1) I have used and built large data bases and the 1st rule is avoid possible error by using terms that are easily duplicated. Using spreadsheet and MS Word are the same. Don't.
You can see in my picture paste, how I use NOTEBOOKS and NOTES. It is my right arm in LOGOS. I want my NOTES filed under a THEME, TOPIC or NOTEBOOK [:S] Then I can re-study a topic (oops), send it on to someone else or print to out as a collection. I see my Power Users do more than I know how. I'm trying to learn some of that. Thanks
I rest my case.
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
But us elementary users need simple to get deeper.
I agree. The difficulty is finding words that work in English world-wide, that are clear and unambiguous, that are flexible enough to cover the different ways users use the feature.
Rick Ratzlaff said:At 75 that's even worse
Hey, don't play the age card ... I'm a bit older than you [:D]
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
We need stuff like this under the KISS system
Thankful for a realtor who had a KISSES placard on top of a computer:
Keep It Short Sweet & Especially Simple
My KISS variation:
Keep It Simple & Sweet
Loving Well as Holy God Loves has a sweet aroma that pleases God [:D]
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
Just replace the word "NOTEBOOK" with THEMES or TOPICS. Those words are no more limited than NOTEBOOKS. Don't over think it. They are basically Synonyms
I guess I'm struggling with how this would help - it they are basically synonyms then why is theme (for example) better than topics?
And, for me, a notebook is a generic concept unless theme or topic which are more constraining.
Some examples:
- I have a notebook called Daily Bible Reading where I make notes on each day's devotional reading. I don't particularly see this as relating to a theme or a topic
- I have one called Abraham (Bible Study) which is a set of 11 notes designed to take a group through a study on the life of Abraham. I could easily see this as a topic
- I have a number of notebooks containing notes / highlights from particuilar books I have read (I tend to do this less now). They might relate to a topic or to a theme but probably more to a subject
- I have a number of notebooks containing notes from different series of talks I have done - some may be related to a particular theme while others are just related to a particular group of people
- I've got a notebook with some thoughts on marriage - this could certainly be a theme
So I see "notes containers" as providing a range of purposes which is one of the reasons I think that a neutral (and not particularly descriptive) term is best.
Does this make sense or am I missing your point?
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Graham Criddle said:Rick Ratzlaff said:
Just replace the word "NOTEBOOK" with THEMES or TOPICS. Those words are no more limited than NOTEBOOKS. Don't over think it. They are basically Synonyms
I guess I'm struggling with how this would help - it they are basically synonyms then why is theme (for example) better than topics?
And, for me, a notebook is a generic concept unless theme or topic which are more constraining.
Some examples:
- I have a notebook called Daily Bible Reading where I make notes on each day's devotional reading. I don't particularly see this as relating to a theme or a topic
- I have one called Abraham (Bible Study) which is a set of 11 notes designed to take a group through a study on the life of Abraham. I could easily see this as a topic
- I have a number of notebooks containing notes / highlights from particuilar books I have read (I tend to do this less now). They might relate to a topic or to a theme but probably more to a subject
- I have a number of notebooks containing notes from different series of talks I have done - some may be related to a particular theme while others are just related to a particular group of people
- I've got a notebook with some thoughts on marriage - this could certainly be a theme
So I see "notes containers" as providing a range of purposes which is one of the reasons I think that a neutral (and not particularly descriptive) term is best.
Does this make sense or am I missing your point?
Graham.... I do see the "possibility" of having Themes for Notebooks.... but in my "simple" mind... I don't see it for individual notes..
I do have Notebooks whereby all the font of the Titles and such are of the same color and background. I could see this working kind of like the Notes Icons....
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I have decided. [:)] I'm being funny. "NOTEBOOKS" makes perfect sense. But please change "NOTES" to PAGES.
See below.
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Sheesh Why can't I use PAST in this Forum and paste my picture.
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I can't even PASTE a picture GRR
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
I have decided.
I'm being funny. "NOTEBOOKS" makes perfect sense. But please change "NOTES" to PAGES. See below.
Welll.... for me, Please don't change that! Simply because "NOTES" in "NOTEBOOKS" makes logical sense to me.
If I had a 3 ring binder.... with tabs in the binder for notes.....then the tab would be a "Notebook"....but behind that "tab" I would have my "notes".
And yes the "notes" in that illustration would be on pages... I would still look for a "note" in one of the "notebooks" tabs....
And as such..... walla bing... walla bang! We have Logos Notes! ....... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Good day Graham, I am new to logos and Bible study. Can I ask if you could give some pointers and help on when to use notes and clippings. I am struggling to find out what works best when one studies a paragraph or a verse and you want keep your notes taken from commentaries on that verse or passage organized. I will really appreciate it.
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Hi Lukas - and welcome to Logos and to these forums.
I've provided some pointers in your other post at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/214536/1250255.aspx#1250255
Graham
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I've got good news Graham and AJ. I completed Camp Logos 10 yesterday. I should have done that years ago. So I'm going to apply for your job on this Forum [:D]. Just kidding, but I learned a lot. I'm looking forward to putting some things into practice and will have to repeat some lessons. Not bad for a 75 yr old eh!
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Lukas - I've been using Logo for years. I completed MP Seminars for Logos 10 yesterday. I highly recommend doing that process to. I've made quite a mess of things doing things wrong. It is well worth the few dollars.
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