Pre-Pub process improvement: Release date changing constantly

Hi! I've been tracking a pre-pub for almost a year. At least half a dozen times, the book has been scheduled to release the next day, i.e., on a specific date, within 24 hours of when I check my pre-pub list. In every case, the release date passes and the book reverts to "in production".

I understand doing the work to release a book isn't simple, and to be crystal clear, I'm not criticizing the time or effort required to do that work. On the other hand, though, if I see a promised release date within 24 hours, shouldn't that signal the work is done and the book really, truly is ready to ship on that date? I could see that a scheduled release on a specific date a month away might be based on historical estimates of how long to finish everything up, and thus, that the release date might shift a bit, but what can go wrong in 24 hours that would pull a book back from release, and how can that happen at least half a dozen times?

My suggested process improvement: Promise near-term release dates only when the work is really done.

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Paul Caneparo

Hi! I've been tracking a pre-pub for almost a year. At least half a dozen times, the book has been scheduled to release the next day, i.e., on a specific date, within 24 hours of when I check my pre-pub list. In every case, the release date passes and the book reverts to "in production".

I understand doing the work to release a book isn't simple, and to be crystal clear, I'm not criticizing the time or effort required to do that work. On the other hand, though, if I see a promised release date within 24 hours, shouldn't that signal the work is done and the book really, truly is ready to ship on that date? I could see that a scheduled release on a specific date a month away might be based on historical estimates of how long to finish everything up, and thus, that the release date might shift a bit, but what can go wrong in 24 hours that would pull a book back from release, and how can that happen at least half a dozen times?

My suggested process improvement: Promise near-term release dates only when the work is really done.

Is it a book on Faithlife ebooks rather than Logos? I ask because some on that site do seem more susceptible to slipping release dates.

DMB

I don't doubt your suggestion.

The 24-hour lock-in, I have my doubts about a lockin (and I'm guessing!). Faithlife is compartmentalized, and 'publishing' moves from content to marketing (and maybe accounting); cc/etc). I'd bet that (1) they do that in batches, and (2) dept-2 hits a bump, that dept-1 didn't know about.

But over and over?

So, I agree with you.

Robert M. Warren

Mitch Snyder (Faithlife)

Hi! I've been tracking a pre-pub for almost a year. At least half a dozen times, the book has been scheduled to release the next day, i.e., on a specific date, within 24 hours of when I check my pre-pub list. In every case, the release date passes and the book reverts to "in production".

I understand doing the work to release a book isn't simple, and to be crystal clear, I'm not criticizing the time or effort required to do that work. On the other hand, though, if I see a promised release date within 24 hours, shouldn't that signal the work is done and the book really, truly is ready to ship on that date? I could see that a scheduled release on a specific date a month away might be based on historical estimates of how long to finish everything up, and thus, that the release date might shift a bit, but what can go wrong in 24 hours that would pull a book back from release, and how can that happen at least half a dozen times?

My suggested process improvement: Promise near-term release dates only when the work is really done.

Hi Bryan, thank you for your feedback. Are the books in question Logos Research/Reader editions or Faithlife Ebooks? We directly control the ship dates on the Logos editions and hold ourselves to the standards you're outlining here. In terms of the Ebooks, we don't set the release dates for these. The release dates for these resources are provided by the automated information sent to us by our partners. As such we have very limited control on these but do our best to ship everything as soon as they are available.

Bryan Hudgens

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260028#Comment_1260028

Hi, any update? My pre-order is dated 17 months ago now, and the e-book shows as "in production". Just wondering if you've heard anything new? I understand you don't control the release dates, but given other ebook formats (Kindle) show reviews going back at least 18 months, it would seem something's amiss somewhere?

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1280100#Comment_1280100

Hi, any update? My pre-order is dated 17 months ago now, and the e-book shows as "in production". Just wondering if you've heard anything new? I understand you don't control the release dates, but given other ebook formats (Kindle) show reviews going back at least 18 months, it would seem something's amiss somewhere?

Since it’s an automated process, whatever you see on the website, that’s pretty much your update. Get the kindle version if it’s not a must have in Logos. 👌

DAL

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260028#Comment_1260028

Hi! I've been tracking a pre-pub for almost a year. At least half a dozen times, the book has been scheduled to release the next day, i.e., on a specific date, within 24 hours of when I check my pre-pub list. In every case, the release date passes and the book reverts to "in production".

I understand doing the work to release a book isn't simple, and to be crystal clear, I'm not criticizing the time or effort required to do that work. On the other hand, though, if I see a promised release date within 24 hours, shouldn't that signal the work is done and the book really, truly is ready to ship on that date? I could see that a scheduled release on a specific date a month away might be based on historical estimates of how long to finish everything up, and thus, that the release date might shift a bit, but what can go wrong in 24 hours that would pull a book back from release, and how can that happen at least half a dozen times?

My suggested process improvement: Promise near-term release dates only when the work is really done.

Hi Bryan, thank you for your feedback. Are the books in question Logos Research/Reader editions or Faithlife Ebooks? We directly control the ship dates on the Logos editions and hold ourselves to the standards you're outlining here. In terms of the Ebooks, we don't set the release dates for these. The release dates for these resources are provided by the automated information sent to us by our partners. As such we have very limited control on these but do our best to ship everything as soon as they are available.

Mitch

Might you have any updates on this logos title? It has changed several times. https://www.logos.com/product/246885/all-the-genealogies-of-the-bible-visual-charts-and-exegetical-commentary

Mitch Snyder (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1280828#Comment_1280828

Mitch

Might you have any updates on this logos title? It has changed several times. https://www.logos.com/product/246885/all-the-genealogies-of-the-bible-visual-charts-and-exegetical-commentary

There have been a couple of delays in production on this title. I've worked with the team to guarantee a new ship date won't be added until we are certain. I expect it to be sooner vs. later and hope to have a final ship date on it in the coming days.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1281012#Comment_1281012

Great! Thank you sir.

I have the book in print and with all of the charts and footnotes I can see why

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1281012#Comment_1281012

Mitch

Might you have any updates on this logos title? It has changed several times. https://www.logos.com/product/246885/all-the-genealogies-of-the-bible-visual-charts-and-exegetical-commentary

There have been a couple of delays in production on this title. I've worked with the team to guarantee a new ship date won't be added until we are certain. I expect it to be sooner vs. later and hope to have a final ship date on it in the coming days.

It seems there were some issues with this one. Just FYI

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/220224.aspx