( multi user ) Add My wife as a User but I don't want to mix my highlights, notes, etc.
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1Cor10 31 said:
I am thinking of my stock brokerage account where this cost is ZERO. If I am logged on to my laptop at home and then I head off somewhere in my car. Let’s say I want to buy some stocks using my iPhone. When I try to log on, it prompts me “You are already logged on in another device. Do you want me to log you off in the other device?” I say “Yes” and my broker automatically logs me off my laptop and now I am logged on in my iPhone. There is an option to save my laptop setting before I am logged off and logged on to my iPhone. So there is ZERO cost to me. Thus, by definition, I can be logged on in only one device. I am sure this is not a complicated software solution to mimic by Faithlife
Cost to customer of ZERO does not equate to ongoing company cost for implementing login limitation(s). Stock brokerage has a security reason for one active device connection for financial transaction(s).
Faithlife desktop apps allow "Use Internet" to be set to NO, which prevents active login checking (& allows Bible Study use in locations lacking stable internet).
1Cor10 31 said:I agree that the software allows multiple accounts now, but each account has different sets of resources. We want multiple accounts that share the resources. That is the problem that we are collectively trying to solve. So it is a constrained optimization problem. Goals:
(i) Confer benefits to customers from buying resources in Logos by make it easier for family members to share the resources like that of a print library.
(ii) Impose costs on customers similar to sharing resources like that of a print library.
(iii) Confer net benefits to Faithlife by either bringing in new customers or from existing customers buying more. I think if adding up (i) and (ii) results in net benefits to customers, then it automatically will bring in more $ to Faithlife.
Automatically sharing resources increases royalty payments to resource providers. Also assumption of family sharing bringing in more $ to Faithlife seems unfounded to me: what is the incentive for more $ to be spent by family ? (especially in current inflationary times that has customer purchases at Dollar stores decreasing with more families getting free food at Food Banks along with a number of cities experiencing many stores being closed due to lots of theft)
What happens to resource sharing when a family splits up ? (children grow up OR sin choices divide a family)
Today, a family can cheat for all members to read a resource by using one account in a Web App on several devices for simultaneous access (& shared note document could have family member initials).
Thankfully Logos Free Edition & Verbum Free Edition and Free Logos Books !! provide capable Bible Study (so individual accounts are viable).
Disclaimer: family sharing has no benefit for me humanly living at home alone.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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A possible simple solution would be for Faithlife to add an annual subscription for family member that would allow the subscriber to have access to the family's resources. And when the person in the family dies, the library goes to the spouse or is willed to another family member.
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Mark said:
A possible simple solution would be for Faithlife to add an annual subscription for family member that would allow the subscriber to have access to the family's resources. And when the person in the family dies, the library goes to the spouse or is willed to another family member.
I don’t see the logic. If you buy a hard copy of a book, do you pay the publisher when your wife reads the same book? So why would you expect a family to pay annual subscription for sharing resources?
Now before, I elaborate, let’s be clear. Faithlife sells software, which is the “Features” part of the package. Then it sells “Resources”, which are electronic books, which is same as hard copy BUT with tags that allow searching. I don’t see any reason to pay twice for the same set of Resources. But I have no problem if Faithlife wants to charge people for the “Features” set of Logos as long as family members want to use it at the same time. In fact, that is the right thing to do. But if family members want to tie themselves and pay just once, then only one person can use it at one time. This is like buying Microsoft operating system to work in your laptop and your spouse’s laptop.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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1Cor10 31">I am thinking of my stock brokerage account where this cost is ZERO. If I am logged on to my laptop at home and then I head off somewhere in my car. Let’s say I want to buy some stocks using my iPhone. When I try to log on, it prompts me “You are already logged on in another device. Do you want me to log you off in the other device?” I say “Yes” and my broker automatically logs me off my laptop and now I am logged on in my iPhone. There is an option to save my laptop setting before I am logged off and logged on to my iPhone. So there is ZERO cost to me. Thus, by definition, I can be logged on in only one device. I am sure this is not a complicated software solution to mimic by Faithlife
Cost to customer of ZERO does not equate to ongoing company cost for implementing login limitation(s). Stock brokerage has a security reason for one active device connection for financial transaction(s).
The cost to the firm to implement this will be negligible. Every organization has some sort of authentication, so cost has to be trivial
Faithlife desktop apps allow "Use Internet" to be set to NO, which prevents active login checking (& allows Bible Study use in locations lacking stable internet).
I didn’t know this and I am not computer geek to figure our a solution to take this scenario into account.
1Cor10 31">
I agree that the software allows multiple accounts now, but each account has different sets of resources. We want multiple accounts that share the resources. That is the problem that we are collectively trying to solve. So it is a constrained optimization problem. Goals:
(i) Confer benefits to customers from buying resources in Logos by make it easier for family members to share the resources like that of a print library.
(ii) Impose costs on customers similar to sharing resources like that of a print library.
(iii) Confer net benefits to Faithlife by either bringing in new customers or from existing customers buying more. I think if adding up (i) and (ii) results in net benefits to customers, then it automatically will bring in more $ to Faithlife.
Automatically sharing resources increases royalty payments to resource providers. Also assumption of family sharing bringing in more $ to Faithlife seems unfounded to me: what is the incentive for more $ to be spent by family ? (especially in current inflationary times that has customer purchases at Dollar stores decreasing with more families getting free food at Food Banks along with a number of cities experiencing many stores being closed due to lots of theft)
Why higher royalty payments? When you wife reads a hard copy book, are you sending money to the publisher? Why is E-book any different?
Why would a family spend more with my solution? Let’s say I like a resource, but not enough to purchase it. But if my wife likes it a lot, then it is easier to justify purchasing. The combined utility being higher will lead to more purchases.
What happens to resource sharing when a family splits up ? (children grow up OR sin choices divide a family)
I don’t have a solution for all sort of contingencies. I haven’t thought this thro’. First thoughts…
- When children grow up, they get to keep what was purchased by the family before they turn 18 or 19 or whatever (pick a age for going to college). After that they are on their own. They need to pay if they want a resource.
- When family splits up, same logic applies as above. Both get to keep what they purchased before they split up. Afterwards, each has to pay up because you are not more 1 unit.
The way to judge a solution is to see if it is better than the existing solution. We don’t need to wait for a perfect solution if we can improve on an existing solution.
Today, a family can cheat for all members to read a resource by using one account in a Web App on several devices for simultaneous access (& shared note document could have family member initials).
Thankfully Logos Free Edition & Verbum Free Edition and Free Logos Books !! provide capable Bible Study (so individual accounts are viable).
Disclaimer: family sharing has no benefit for me humanly living at home alone.
Keep Smiling
My system will reduce this amount of cheating.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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DMB said:
1Cor10 31">Are you saying that people cheat Faithlife by giving out the credentials to non-family members (I don't understand your Walmart analogy)? Cheats are going to be cheats.
Here, I disagree with you (or at least your statement). I don't shrug at cheating/cheaters (ignoring contractual obligations). And you are (or used to be) in finance ... if you calculate a typical loss percent from theft for retailers (Walmart a good choice), and then estimate the person/price ratio (eg what percent of customers), the Walmart experience would likely be acceptable to Faithlife. Or to put it another way, it'd be much higher, with the Logos student population (Bob's observations).
Cheaters are going to be cheaters. But I think my system [(i) unique IDs for each family member and (ii) only 1 login per ID allowed at any one point and (iii) a resource can be opened by only 1 person in the family at any point in time] will only reduce the cheating, I think. I don't think anybody has pointed out how my system will lead to increased cheating.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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