Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos

Mark Barnes (Logos)
Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888
edited November 20 in English Forum

Later this year, we’ll launch the next version of Logos as a subscription. The subscription will have several tiers and eventually replace Preaching Suite, Faithlife Connect, and other Logos feature sets.

We’re living in a period of significant technological change, and only a subscription model enables us to continuously release new features and improvements as soon as they are built. Many of you don’t want to wait up to two years for improvements that could significantly benefit your Bible study. Subscription also allows us to include AI features which we can’t offer with permanent licenses due to the significant ongoing costs and rapidly changing technology.

Subscriptions aren’t required to maintain access to your existing content. They’re for those who want access to new and improved features. With Logos, your content investment is always safe, and you’ll always be able to access it for free. The subscription benefits listed above for features don’t apply to books in the same way, so we don’t foresee a time when we’ll stop selling perpetual licenses to books.

Can I get these subscriptions today?

One of the tiers of the forthcoming subscription will be called Logos Pro, and it will be aimed specifically at pastors. The full launch of these subscriptions won’t happen until later in the year, but if you own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set or subscribe to Faithlife Connect (excluding Starter and Mobile), you can get early access to Logos Pro today at a very special price.

Logos Pro includes most of the Logos 10 Full Feature Set, a library of more than 400 books to help you experience the power of Logos, and all the new features and improvements we’re developing for Logos 11. If you subscribe today, you’ll get five new features (Smart Search, Search Results Summaries, Summarization Sidebar, Sermon Assistant, and Instant Dark/Light Mode), and approximately once a quarter, we’ll add new and improved features to the subscription—not just this year, but every year.

How much will early access to Logos Pro cost?

Customers who own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set or subscribe to Faithlife Connect (excluding Starter and Mobile) can purchase the subscription for just $9.99/month. When Logos Pro launches in the fall with the other tiers of subscription, you’ll have the option to maintain your subscription to Logos Pro or switch to one of the other subscription tiers at a continued large discount.

How do I get it?

If you qualify, you can get early access to Logos Pro today at www.logos.com/early-access.

What is in Logos Pro?

We, and our beta testers, are excited by the features we’re adding to Logos Pro and later to the other subscription tiers. At the time of writing, Logos Pro includes most of the Logos 10 Full Feature Set, a library of more than 400 books to help you experience the power of Logos, and five new features described below. More features will be added regularly throughout the year and beyond. 

Smart Search is a brand-new search engine built right into Logos. Just like the search engines you’re familiar with online, Smart Search doesn’t just search for the words in your query—it uses AI to search for articles that discuss the meaning of those words and then shows the most relevant place in that article in the search snippets. It makes searching your Logos library as easy as you’ve always hoped it would be.

Search Results Summaries allows you, with one click, to turn any brief search snippet into an AI-generated summary of the entire article, allowing you to better understand what each article covers, saving you time and helping you find the best content to dig into.

Summarization Sidebar enables you to use AI to summarize any article or chapter in almost any of your Logos books. The new Summarize tool can help you digest a lengthy article more quickly, simplify a complex article, or determine whether the full article is worth your time reading in full.

Sermon Assistant is an AI-powered tool that helps preachers overcome creative block and makes it easier to create materials to help the congregation better engage with the message. Currently:

  • The Illustrations Generator suggests several short sermon illustrations you can use to explain doctrinal or other concepts. 
  • The Discussion Questions Generator takes a completed sermon and creates a series of discussion questions based on the sermon that could be used in a church bulletin or for small group, family, or personal study.

More than 400 commentaries, dictionaries, systematic theologies, journals, and other books to help you experience the distinctive power of Logos, including:

  • 17 volumes of the Lexham Research Commentary series
  • 10 volumes of the Spurgeon Commentary series
  • 30 volumes of the Bible Study Magazine
  • More than 350 additional volumes

Instant Dark/Light Mode allows you to switch between light and dark mode on desktop without requiring you to restart Logos.

And much more still to come!

That’s a lot of AI! Are all the new features going to be AI-powered?

We’re excited by the possibilities that AI—responsibly leveraged—brings to Logos, and we want to make the most of this technology. But we also want to equip you with the best tools for Bible study, using the most suitable technology for the task. So while there are plenty of AI-powered improvements in Logos Pro, and several more coming, we’ll also bring non-AI feature improvements, too.

Does AI really have a place in Bible study?

Christians have always been at the forefront of technology when it comes to accessing and understanding the Bible, whether adopting the codex in the second century or the printing press in the fifteenth. However, AI has limitations, fallibilities, and biases because it mirrors and sometimes amplifies those same weaknesses found in all human authors. That’s why Logos always lets you know when the content you’re reading is generated by AI. In addition, Logos’s AI tools are backed by your Logos library and designed to ensure AI is used responsibly and in a way appropriate for Bible study.

I don’t own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set. When can I subscribe to Logos Pro?

If you don’t own the Logos 10 Full Feature Set, you’ll be able to subscribe later in the year at a higher price. Or, you could purchase the Full Feature Upgrade now and immediately become eligible to subscribe at the discounted price.

Is early access to Logos Pro a beta program?

No. Each feature is beta-tested before it becomes part of Logos Pro. The purpose of early access is not for testing—it’s so that you can enjoy these new and improved features without waiting for the major release in the fall.

Can I cancel at any time?

Yes. Just visit https://www.logos.com/account/subscriptions.

Where does this leave subscriptions like Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite?

The subscription that will launch later in the year will replace Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite. The tier we're launching today, Logos Pro, includes exclusive new features, but there are a few tools and datasets in Connect and Preaching Suite that aren’t in Logos Pro but will be in another tier of the subscription. Most of the books in Logos Pro are different from those included in the existing subscriptions. 

If you subscribe to those products, we’ll contact you later in the year to explain how you can painlessly switch to the new subscription. Until then, we recommend keeping your existing subscription to ensure you don’t lose any perks, features, or books. In the meantime, you could add Logos Pro to your existing subscription if you’re eligible.

Will I be forced to subscribe to Logos in the future? What about all the books I’ve already bought?

No one will be forced to subscribe to Logos to retain access to their existing content. You will always be able to access all the books you’ve purchased without further payment. Your books are your books. Subscriptions are for those who want access to the latest improvements, which aim to help you uncover deeper insights in less time.

Does this mean Logos will be subscription-only? Will I be able to buy Logos in the future?

Logos subscriptions aren’t new. More than ten thousand people have been subscribing to Logos for nearly a decade. But we’re now embracing subscription for our software because doing so has five distinct advantages. 

  1. New users can have much lower upfront costs and try Logos with much less commitment.
  2. It allows us to continuously release new features and improvements as soon as they are built, rather than holding them back for a major release every two years. That’s especially important at a time of rapid technological change.
  3. It allows us to include features like AI, which we can’t offer permanent licenses to because of the significant ongoing costs.
  4. It’s a sustainable way of ensuring we can keep delivering improvements for decades to come.
  5. Releasing early and often significantly shortens the feedback loop, enabling us to continually tweak our improvements to ensure they’re really solving the most important things for all our customers.

With books, it’s different. The content of books isn’t continually improved—once they’re published, they’re done. And while we bear small ongoing costs to allow you to download and interact with your books, those costs are orders of magnitude lower than that of AI and similar services. Therefore, you will still be able to buy permanent access to Logos libraries and any other books from our catalog. In the future, we may add rental options for those who want it, but we don’t foresee a time when we’ll stop selling perpetual licenses to books.

We’re still thinking through what that means for purchasable feature sets, and we’d value your feedback on whether the option to purchase would be important to you, knowing that you’d miss out on all the AI and cloud-backed features along with regular updates. 

We’re excited about the benefits of a Logos subscription. We’re already building new features and improvements that will be released in the coming months, and we can’t wait to share them with early access customers soon and the rest of our users in the fall.

If you’re eligible and want to subscribe, visit www.logos.com/early-access.

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  • Morgan
    Morgan Member Posts: 457 ✭✭

    Will see more tweaks and improvements to the AI search? It's yet to surpass precise search in my experience so I'm not currently motivated to subscribe.

  • Yasmin Stephen
    Yasmin Stephen Member Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭

    More than 400 commentaries, dictionaries, systematic theologies, journals, and other books to help you experience the distinctive power of Logos, including:

    • 17 volumes of the Lexham Research Commentary series
    • 10 volumes of the Spurgeon Commentary series
    • 30 volumes of the Bible Study Magazine
    • More than 350 additional volumes

    Can we get the book list in a fully separate page? The popup is cramped and uncomfortable to navigate.

    Instant Dark/Light Mode allows you to switch between light and dark mode on desktop without requiring you to restart Logos.

    I don't understand why this has to be in a subscription plan, but ok.

    Will there be an annual payment option for the Logos Pro subscription?

  • David Thomas
    David Thomas Member Posts: 3,242 ✭✭✭

    Will there be an annual payment option for the Logos Pro subscription?

    [Y][Y] This is my question! Because your target audience (pastors) may have professional expense accounts that are easier to reimburse 1x a year.

    also, wishing I could get "chapter summaries" before my Connect subscription renews in November. (since I had a similar feature BACK in Libronix Series X)

    Making Disciples!  Logos Ecosystem = Logos10 on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet) &  FaithlifeTV via Connect subscription.

  • Mark
    Mark Member Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭

    When the product fully releases in the future, will we be able to subscribe annually or only monthly?

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Will see more tweaks and improvements to the AI search? It's yet to surpass precise search in my experience so I'm not currently motivated to subscribe.

    We'll be bringing improvements to many early access features over the next several months and beyond, as well as adding new features. I can't make specific promises, but we intend to invest in the areas that our users tell us will be the most valuable, and we're looking forward to hearing more about what those things are.

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Will there be an annual payment option for the Logos Pro subscription?

    Very likely, yes, but probably not during the early access period.

  • scooter
    scooter Member Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭

    Hi, Mark. I read books.  I highlight books.  I write a few notes.  I want no new features.

    My question: Every year I buy NEW books.  I want them to work without a monthly subscription......How do I do this in the new subscription milieu?  Will I have to subscribe?

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭

    Looks like Logos is following after Microsoft and  eventually everyone will have to move to Logos subscription plan. Or will there still be a 2 yr or 3 yr or whatever plan to update Logos non-subscription as it is now?

    And I would hope Logos considers annual payment for the subscription plan with a discount for the money being up front instead of monthly. 

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Hi, Mark. I read books.  I highlight books.  I write a few notes.  I want no new features.

    My question: Every year I buy NEW books.  I want them to work without a monthly subscription......How do I do this in the new subscription milieu?  Will I have to subscribe?

    Does this help:

    Subscriptions aren’t required to maintain access to your existing content. They’re for those who want access to new and improved features. With Logos, your content investment is always safe, and you’ll always be able to access it for free. The subscription benefits listed above for features don’t apply to books in the same way, so we don’t foresee a time when we’ll stop selling perpetual licenses to books.
  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭

    Will there be an annual payment option for the Logos Pro subscription?

    YesYes This is my question! Because your target audience (pastors) may have professional expense accounts that are easier to reimburse 1x a year.

    also, wishing I could get "chapter summaries" before my Connect subscription renews in November. (since I had a similar feature BACK in Libronix Series X)

    Agreed. I am hoping an Annual plan (which is usually cheaper than monthly) is an option. 

    Now I just need to figure out how my FL Connect Essentials will migrate into this

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Looks like Logos is following after Microsoft and  eventually everyone will have to move to Logos subscription plan. Or will there still be a 2 yr or 3 yr or whatever plan to update Logos non-subscription as it is now?

    It's easy to miss it, but in my post I said:

    We’re still thinking through what that means for purchasable feature sets, and we’d value your feedback on whether the option to purchase would be important to you, knowing that you’d miss out on all the AI and cloud-backed features along with regular updates. 

    With regard to your other question:

    And I would hope Logos considers annual payment for the subscription plan with a discount for the money being up front instead of monthly.

    Yes, we hope to offer annual subscriptions at a discount and maybe even biannual ones at a greater discount. But that's unlikely to be during the early access period. We've got lots to add to Logos Pro and we want users to be clear about what they're getting before asking them to commit to a long period.

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭

    Mark

    I'll most likely have to wait for someone to reach out but I just renewed my Faithlife Connect Essentials - No library (formerly Logos Now) in February.  I assume the cost from that will be migrated into the new plan? 

  • Mark
    Mark Member Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭

    Smart Search is a brand-new search engine built right into Logos. Just like the search engines you’re familiar with online, Smart Search doesn’t just search for the words in your query—it uses AI to search for articles that discuss the meaning of those words and then shows the most relevant place in that article in the search snippets. It makes searching your Logos library as easy as you’ve always hoped it would be.

    Search Results Summaries allows you, with one click, to turn any brief search snippet into an AI-generated summary of the entire article, allowing you to better understand what each article covers, saving you time and helping you find the best content to dig into.

    Summarization Sidebar enables you to use AI to summarize any article or chapter in almost any of your Logos books. The new Summarize tool can help you digest a lengthy article more quickly, simplify a complex article, or determine whether the full article is worth your time reading in full.

    Sermon Assistant is an AI-powered tool that helps preachers overcome creative block and makes it easier to create materials to help the congregation better engage with the message

    Are there tutorials on these?

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Also.... will Logos Pro work on mobile?

    Yes. All these features are cross-platform (desktop, web, and mobile) with the following exceptions:

    • Smart Search and Search Results summaries are coming to mobile in v33.
    • Sermon Assistant is not available on phones or Android. It is available on the iPad app.
    • Instant dark mode is already available on mobile, but won't be available on the web app.
  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    I'll most likely have to wait for someone to reach out but I just renewed my Faithlife Connect Essentials - No library (formerly Logos Now) in February.  I assume the cost from that will be migrated into the new plan? 

    Where does this leave subscriptions like Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite?

    The subscription that will launch later in the year will replace Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite. The tier we're launching today, Logos Pro, includes exclusive new features, but there are a few tools and datasets in Connect and Preaching Suite that aren’t in Logos Pro but will be in another tier of the subscription. Most of the books in Logos Pro are different from those included in the existing subscriptions. 

    If you subscribe to those products, we’ll contact you later in the year to explain how you can painlessly switch to the new subscription. Until then, we recommend keeping your existing subscription to ensure you don’t lose any perks, features, or books. In the meantime, you could add Logos Pro to your existing subscription if you’re eligible.

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Are there tutorials on these?

    I should have forum posts on each of these features out by the end of the day. There are articles on the support site already. You can use this link to jump to them: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/21081346488205-What-s-included-with-early-access-to-Logos-Pro 

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Mark for your work and time. You've answered my questions. I'm a thinking that the subscription to Logos Pro will be cheaper than paying for the annual updates. So that looks like for the first time in my life, I'll have a subscription.... [8-|]

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭

    I'll most likely have to wait for someone to reach out but I just renewed my Faithlife Connect Essentials - No library (formerly Logos Now) in February.  I assume the cost from that will be migrated into the new plan? 

    Where does this leave subscriptions like Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite?

    The subscription that will launch later in the year will replace Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite. The tier we're launching today, Logos Pro, includes exclusive new features, but there are a few tools and datasets in Connect and Preaching Suite that aren’t in Logos Pro but will be in another tier of the subscription. Most of the books in Logos Pro are different from those included in the existing subscriptions. 

    If you subscribe to those products, we’ll contact you later in the year to explain how you can painlessly switch to the new subscription. Until then, we recommend keeping your existing subscription to ensure you don’t lose any perks, features, or books. In the meantime, you could add Logos Pro to your existing subscription if you’re eligible.

    Thanks Mark. I did read that but was looking for more... I understand it is new and that I'll have to wait. I wish old users like me, who have been subscribing for years, wouldn't have to wait that long though. 

    If I may add one suggestion, could you make the courses included a Netflix style where we could check out a course at a time? Similar to Connect, we can rent a course for a period of time. Looking over the included book list, I own a large majority of what is provided, which I'm guessing many in the forums do as well so the books included doesn't offer much for me. Then again, I'm guessing most of the cost is going towards AI like you mentioned.

  • Mark
    Mark Member Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭

    Are there tutorials on these?

    I should have forum posts on each of these features out by the end of the day. There are articles on the support site already. You can use this link to jump to them: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/21081346488205-What-s-included-with-early-access-to-Logos-Pro 

    Perfect! Thanks.

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭

    Are there tutorials on these?

    I should have forum posts on each of these features out by the end of the day. There are articles on the support site already. You can use this link to jump to them: https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/21081346488205-What-s-included-with-early-access-to-Logos-Pro 

    Will those posts be in General or do you plan to make a new Logos Pro Forum?

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the explanation Mark. I have 2 questions:

    1) If someone does not subscribe to Early Access now for $9.99, when do they lose the early access features that they may have gotten during the beta test period (which still work as of today)? Or do they keep the features until fall, but the $9.99 price for Logos Pro is higher in the fall if someone did not take advantage of the early access offer?

    2) Do you envision that "Logos Pro" will be the highest tier, and that other tiers introduced will be less expensive/less features than Logos Pro? That is, that there will not be a tier in the fall that offers features that Logos Pro does not?

    As a comment - when you pondered that there may or may not be a way to purchase features instead of subscription, I would vote no - WAY too confusing. I can't see that working equitably and without confusion in the many scenarios and for the many customers Logos would be faced with.

    There could be side effects too, for Logos - what if some feature gets purchased by more people than Logos envisioned, then the monthly income trail is gone for that - defeating the reason for going to subscription in the first place, for that future set. In that case, how do updates get done, or does Logos have to "borrow" funds meant for other features? I am sure there are MANY scenarios that would only be solved by more complexity and confusion.

    Logos is moving to subscription, as many others have. Just bite the bullet and do it - it's clean and easy to understand, and tiers will make it affordable/people can easily weigh cost/benefit for their own situation. Also, my "vote" is really based on worries about Logos impact - difficulty in communication of the plan, shortfalls in expected revenue based on the purchase/subscription mix, etc. If Logos is going to do this, I want it to be successful for them. I am comfortable with subscription models, especially with tiers for people to choose from.

    My .02!

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    1) If someone does not subscribe to Early Access now for $9.99, when do they lose the early access features that they may have gotten during the beta test period (which still work as of today)? Or do they keep the features until fall, but the $9.99 price for Logos Pro is higher in the fall if someone did not take advantage of the early access offer?

    Oops just saw the other thread from Ali - March 11 early access/beta ends.

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Thanks Mark. I did read that but was looking for more... I understand it is new and that I'll have to wait. I wish old users like me, who have been subscribing for years, wouldn't have to wait that long though. 

    Understood, and I'm sorry about that. We have about a dozen different subscriptions, perhaps more. And there's quite a lot of complexity in putting a plan together to consolidate that down to a single multi-tiered subscription whilst taking account of individual needs. So we had to choose between disappointing some people who would have to wait, or making everyone wait.

    If I may add one suggestion, could you make the courses included a Netflix style where we could check out a course at a time? Similar to Connect, we can rent a course for a period of time. Looking over the included book list, I own a large majority of what is provided, which I'm guessing many in the forums do as well so the books included doesn't offer much for me. Then again, I'm guessing most of the cost is going towards AI like you mentioned.

    We'll be adding to Logos Pro throughout the year, and that might include adding some perks. Mobile Ed courses are definitely something we can consider (other suggestions as to perks are also welcome).

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    Will those posts be in General or do you plan to make a new Logos Pro Forum?

    Good question. I'll probably put them in Desktop.

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    1) If someone does not subscribe to Early Access now for $9.99, when do they lose the early access features that they may have gotten during the beta test period (which still work as of today)? Or do they keep the features until fall, but the $9.99 price for Logos Pro is higher in the fall if someone did not take advantage of the early access offer?

    As you saw elsewhere, the beta license will expire on Monday.

    2) Do you envision that "Logos Pro" will be the highest tier, and that other tiers introduced will be less expensive/less features than Logos Pro? That is, that there will not be a tier in the fall that offers features that Logos Pro does not?

    Our plans aren't finalized, but it's likely that Logos Pro will be the third of four tiers – so yes, there is likely to be a tier which includes things Logos Pro doesn't. But the subscriptions in the fall aren't just for existing customers, they're for everyone. So it's possible that you'll already own many of the things in the higher tier and the difference between Logos Pro and the top tier might be less for you than it would be for a new customer.

    Thanks for your other comments!

  • Aaron Sauer
    Aaron Sauer Member Posts: 419 ✭✭

    This is great! Just signed up!

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 737 ✭✭

    only a subscription model enables us to continuously release new features and improvements as soon as they are built….Subscription also allows us to include AI features which we can’t offer with permanent licenses due to the significant ongoing costs and rapidly changing technology.

    Does this mean Logos will be subscription-only? Will I be able to buy Logos in the future?

    Logos subscriptions aren’t new. More than ten thousand people have been subscribing to Logos for nearly a decade. But we’re now embracing subscription for our software because doing so has five distinct advantages. 

    It seems that in the future, feature sets are not going to be available for outright purchase, but only as a subscription model. That is totally fine. Businesses have a right to change.

    But what about people who have always bought full feature sets? Will the subscription pricing reflect the price of only the incremental features? Doing this incremental pricing 10 years/20 years down the line is not going to be easy. What I see happening eventually is older features are tweaked, renamed, and become part of subscription model, so Logos will end up double-dipping (and Seinfeld fan?) into our pockets for features that we have already purchased.

    Subscriptions aren’t required to maintain access to your existing content. They’re for those who want access to new and improved features.

    Logos Pro includes most of the Logos 10 Full Feature Set, a library of more than 400 books to help you experience the power of Logos, and all the new features and improvements we’re developing for Logos 11.

    Why are we still continuing to mix resources and features?

    I have most of the resources in the list (except for journals). The $9.99 price, by definition, includes the cost of renting resources included in the plan. Why do I need to pay for the resources I have already bought. This is such an obvious flaw in the plan. The only explanation I have is that this plan is meant to double-dip into our pockets again, this time for resources we have already purchased (my previous point was about double-dipping for features we have already purchased).

    Why can’t we have a pricing plan purely for the features?

    No one will be forced to subscribe to Logos to retain access to their existing content. You will always be able to access all the books you’ve purchased without further payment. Your books are your books. Subscriptions are for those who want access to the latest improvements, which aim to help you uncover deeper insights in less time.

    Not true. Just see my response above.

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God

  • Mark Barnes (Logos)
    Mark Barnes (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 1,888

    It seems that in the future, feature sets are not going to be available for outright purchase, but only as a subscription model. That is totally fine. Businesses have a right to change.

    But what about people who have always bought full feature sets? Will the subscription pricing reflect the price of only the incremental features? Doing this incremental pricing 10 years/20 years down the line is not going to be easy. What I see happening eventually is older features are tweaked, renamed, and become part of subscription model, so Logos will end up double-dipping (and Seinfeld fan?) into our pockets for features that we have already purchased.

    This is a difficult problem to solve, and it's something we're actively working on. We won't be offering dynamic pricing on subscriptions, but we will be offering a healthy discount to existing customers, especially those who have always bought full feature sets.

    The $9.99 price, by definition, includes the cost of renting resources included in the plan.

    Yes, but only to a point. We're not including our most expensive books. We recognize that many full-feature set owners will already own many of these books, and we've taken that into consideration when setting this discounted price for that group.

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,114 ✭✭✭

    Yes, but only to a point. We're not including our most expensive books. We recognize that many full-feature set owners will already own many of these books, and we've taken that into consideration when setting this discounted price for that group.

    This is excellent news! Even though I subscribe, I usually purchased the sets in the event I wanted to leave.