Official: More details about the coming subscription launch
As you probably know, in the fall, we'll launch the next version of Logos as a subscription. We're slowly rolling out the subscription, and more and more customers are now able to get early access to it.
As the full launch gets closer, I wanted to give you a few more updates on what to expect.
First, new libraries will be available for subscribers to purchase.
- At launch, we'll offer Starter through Collectors, and some great new content will be included in those libraries. As usual, those libraries are discounted at around 90%. Libraries are yours to keep, and dynamic pricing means you won't pay twice if you already own some of the books.
- We'll also have some new libraries based around specific use cases, similar to the Academic, Preaching Suite, and Counseling libraries we offer with Logos 10. These libraries will align with our three subscription tiers, so there will be one set of libraries aimed at small group leaders, one set aimed at preachers, and one set aimed at those who love the original languages.
- Verbum subscriptions and Verbum libraries will also launch at the same time.
- Early next year, those libraries will be joined by brand new denominational libraries.
Next, let me say something more about perks that we'll include when the subscription is fully launched.
- We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
- Each subscription plan will also include Mobile Ed courses, which we'll freshen up every quarter or so to give you the chance to learn from various instructors and about a range of topics. The courses will be specially selected to complement the use case of each tier. The bigger tiers will also receive more courses each quarter.
- We've also previously announced that Logos 10 owners will also be able to qualify for the Legacy Fallback License. This means that if you remain subscribed for 24 consecutive months, you'll be your features, even if you subsequently cancel your subscription. (A few features, especially those cloud-backed or AI-based, will be excluded from the Legacy Fallback License.) The legacy fallback license will be available in October 2026, so if you qualify before then because you're part of early access, you'll need to wait until October before you receive it. If you qualify after that, we'll give you the license as soon as you qualify.
- Logos Pro and Logos Max subscribers will get two additional perks. Firstly, they'll get free access to the premium features in Logos Sermons. But they will also get a 5% annual rewards coupon (a coupon worth 5% of your previous year’s spend).
We've also had lots of questions about pricing. We’re working out final pricing for everyone, but we can confirm what the discounted pricing will be for Logos 10 owners:
- Premium: $6.99/month or $69.99/year (for those with Bronze features or higher)
- Pro: $9.99/month or $99.99/year (for those with Silver features or higher)
- Max: $12.99/month or $129.99/year (requires Full Feature Set)
There will be more to come on pricing. We know you want to know this, and we’re working to finalize it, making sure our rates fit the everyday pastor’s or student’s budget.
Finally, you may have noticed our Logos 10 Farewell Sale that is happening now. Here are two reasons you’ll want to upgrade to Logos 10 (if you haven’t already) before the new subscription releases:
- You save today: You’ll get the best discounts we’ve ever offered on Logos 10 feature upgrades, libraries, and complete packages.
- You’ll save tomorrow: You’ll also get the best discount on the subscription version of Logos when you buy a Logos 10 Full Feature Upgrade or a Logos 10 Gold package (or above). Dynamic pricing also means you'll likely pay less for our next-generation Logos libraries if you purchase a discounted Logos 10 library today.
As we approach our fall launch and finalize our plans, we'll provide more updates over the coming weeks. If you let us know which questions you would like answered, we'll try to prioritize those for you in the next update.
PS – Have you watched this update video from Bill, our CEO?
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Thanks, Mark. That's the most clear and information packed update I've seen yet. I'm slowly warming up to the subscription model.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
- Premium: $6.99/month or $69.99/year (for those with Bronze features or higher)
- Pro: $9.99/month or $99.99/year (for those with Silver features or higher)
- Max: $12.99/month or $129.99/year (requires Full Feature Set)
Does this mean it would be a waste of money for someone with L10 FFS to subscribe at the Premium or Pro level?
Or does it mean that someone who does not have the L10 FFS can't use the Max tools?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
First, new libraries will be available for subscribers to purchase.
- At launch, we'll offer Starter through Collectors, and some great new content will be included in those libraries. As usual, those libraries are discounted at around 90%. Libraries are yours to keep, and dynamic pricing means you won't pay twice if you already own some of the books.
- We'll also have some new libraries based around specific use cases, similar to the Academic, Preaching Suite, and Counseling libraries we offer with Logos 10. These libraries will align with our three subscription tiers, so there will be one set of libraries aimed at small group leaders, one set aimed at preachers, and one set aimed at those who love the original languages.
- Early next year, those libraries will be joined by brand new denominational libraries.
Will library prices vary depending on whether you are a subscriber or not?
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Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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I know you guys are finalizing pricing for non Logos 10 subscribers but that is the key piece of information that determines if buying the Logos 10 packages during the farewell sale makes sense. If I'm a small group leader that may subscribe to Premium or maybe even the lower tier that was hinted, how do i know if spending $200 for Bronze is worth it without some sort of ballpark idea of what the full price of premium is? It has to make sense that it won't take me 5+ years to recoup that investment. Plus, the full feature set is not much more, so does it make sense for me to pay 286 for that vs 191 for bronze feature set. I currently have starter.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Next, let me say something more about perks that we'll include when the subscription is fully launched.
- We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
- Each subscription plan will also include Mobile Ed courses, which we'll freshen up every quarter or so to give you the chance to learn from various instructors and about a range of topics. The courses will be specially selected to complement the use case of each tier. The bigger tiers will also receive more courses each quarter.
- We've also previously announced that Logos 10 owners will also be able to qualify for the Legacy Fallback License. This means that if you remain subscribed for 24 consecutive months, you'll be your features, even if you subsequently cancel your subscription. (A few features, especially those cloud-backed or AI-based, will be excluded from the Legacy Fallback License.) The legacy fallback license will be available in October 2026, so if you qualify before then because you're part of early access, you'll need to wait until October before you receive it. If you qualify after that, we'll give you the license as soon as you qualify.
- We're planning additional perks and hope to say more about them soon.
We've also had lots of questions about pricing. We’re working out final pricing for everyone, but we can confirm what the discounted pricing will be for Logos 10 owners:
- Premium: $6.99/month or $69.99/year (for those with Bronze features or higher)
- Pro: $9.99/month or $99.99/year (for those with Silver features or higher)
- Max: $12.99/month or $129.99/year (requires Full Feature Set)
For anyone like myself that owns the L10 full feature set, who has zero interest in A.I. features and rented books in the Logos subscriptions, zero interest in a 5% discount storewide, and zero interest in the included Mobile Ed courses, here's a question that needs to be asked. Why should we risk paying a subscription for two years in order to keep all features covered under the Legacy Fallback License (a total cost of either $139.98 for premium, $199.98 for full, or $259.98 for max), considering that we don't know in advance what all of those keepable features will be under the Legacy Fallback License? I think this is a very fair question, and it needs to be asked.
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Doc B said:
Does this mean it would be a waste of money for someone with L10 FFS to subscribe at the Premium or Pro level?
Or does it mean that someone who does not have the L10 FFS can't use the Max tools?
The latter. If you want the discount on Pro, you need Silver or the full feature set. If you want the discount on Max, you need the full feature set.
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1Cor10 31 said:
Will library prices vary depending on whether you are a subscriber or not?
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Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
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I'm still not clear on the previous charges. I paid for a faith life connect renewal I think in May. then I paid 9.99 for a couple of months or so for the Logos AI stuff. then I paid for the 129.99. Then I saw a post that said something about the fiathlife would be refunded and applied to the Max. then I looked at the order history and saw all sorts of addition and subtraction that I couldn't follow that had happened to the previous order. I assume that is the company going back and doing what was said, but I couldn't follow whatever math was going on. without sounding silly, this is the same reason I struggle to play uno or chess.
would you mind looking at my account and just a simple yes or no if whatever needed to happen has happened as far as charges go. thank you. I tried chatting with customer support maybe few weeks or so ago, but that got confusing for me too.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
Each subscription plan will also include Mobile Ed courses, which we'll freshen up every quarter or so to give you the chance to learn from various instructors and about a range of topics. The courses will be specially selected to complement the use case of each tier. The bigger tiers will also receive more courses each quarter.
Hi Mark,
For the Mobile Ed courses:
a) Are they only limited to the ones Logos curates for subscribers every quarter or so, or do we get to pick 1-2 Mobile Ed courses per quarter to peruse?
b) Are they for the subscribers to keep, or only available for access during that quarter?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We'll also have some new libraries based around specific use cases, similar to the Academic, Preaching Suite, and Counseling libraries we offer with Logos 10. These libraries will align with our three subscription tiers, so there will be one set of libraries aimed at small group leaders, one set aimed at preachers, and one set aimed at those who love the original languages.
Will we be able purchase these specialty libraries across our subscription tier (e.g. a Pro user purchasing a Premium or Max library if that better fits their need)?
Is this tier-based libraries model a replacement of the previous S-M-L library sizing model?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">
Will library prices vary depending on whether you are a subscriber or not?
OR
Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
Hi Mark,Thanks for responding. I didn't realize that buying features was a necessary condition for buying packages bcos I bought feature set anyways. Thanks for pointing out trial subscription as a way forward. How many times can we do trial subscription (over a calendar year or 12 month period)? The reason I'm asking is because I rarely buy all my packages at one shot.I've bought different Logos 10 libraries in 7 different occasions (Jul 24, May 24, Dec 23, Nov 23, Aug 23, Dec 22, Nov 22). The reason I don't buy it all at one go is that (i) my interest in certain resources get piqued at different points in time and I always try to get the libraries that contains the resource rather than the individual resource, and (ii) the dynamic pricing kicks in after each library purchase and lowers the library cost that contains the resource that I'm interested in. And the new price makes it more attractive to purchase the library.If I can do only one trial subscription, I will have to be content to make my first purchase with a trial subscription and then wait for the latest library to become legacy library to purchase it.I know you're super busy, but would love an answer when you get the time.I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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PL said:
For the Mobile Ed courses:
a) Are they only limited to the ones Logos curates for subscribers every quarter or so, or do we get to pick 1-2 Mobile Ed courses per quarter to peruse?
b) Are they for the subscribers to keep, or only available for access during that quarter?
They will be limited to the ones we curate, and you'll be able to access them during that quarter, so long as you remain a subscriber.
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PL said:
Will we be able purchase these specialty libraries across our subscription tier (e.g. a Pro user purchasing a Premium or Max library if that better fits their need)?
I'm pretty sure there won't be restrictions placed on which libraries you can buy. So even if you're a Logos Premium subscriber, you would still be able to purchase a library aimed at Max subscribers.
PL said:Is this tier-based libraries model a replacement of the previous S-M-L library sizing model?
No, it's in addition to that.
It's not 100% confirmed yet, but I think it is likely there will be:
- Standard track: Starter through Collectors
- "Lay leaders" track: Starter through Gold
- "Preachers" track: Bronze through Diamond
- "Original languages" track: Silver through Portfolio
The libraries in each track will be different, so Standard Gold is different to "Preachers" Gold, just like standard Gold is currently different to "Baptist" Gold. Standard Gold will be a generalist library, whereas "Preachers" Gold will be a similar sized and priced library but focussed on books that should specifically help preachers.
If so, that would be 22 libraries in total in English – at least until the denominational libraries come on stream early next year.
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1Cor10 31 said:
How many times can we do trial subscription (over a calendar year or 12 month period)?
Just once, I'm afraid.
If you wanted to buy additional libraries later on, the worst-case scenario would be to take out a one-month subscription to the cheapest tier. That would also get you a subscriber-exclusive 5% additional discount on the library, so I doubt it would add much to your overall cost, and it may, in fact, be cheaper.
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Tony Walker said:
would you mind looking at my account and just a simple yes or no if whatever needed to happen has happened as far as charges go. thank you. I tried chatting with customer support maybe few weeks or so ago, but that got confusing for me too.
I've asked one of our CS reps to look at this for you.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
They will be limited to the ones we curate, and you'll be able to access them during that quarter, so long as you remain a subscriber.
Am I correct in assuming that the Mobile Ed courses will follow the same structure as the subscriptions, in the sense that Pro will include the all videos from Premium plus more, and Max will include all the videos from Pro and Premium, plus additional courses specific to that tier?
One thought I would like to submit: Would you be willing to consider allowing subscribers to choose a certain number of Mobile Ed courses to unlock per quarter? Let's say one month I really want to watch a video on an original-language feature that isn't included in the curated selection. I could unlock that one video for that one quarter, and the count would reset at the beginning of the next quarter. This would allow users the ability to obtain access to highly-relevant content. Example: Premium subscribers would be able to unlock one video per quarter, Pro subscribers 2, and Max subscribers 3. Perhaps this would be too difficult to implement. But it was worth a try...
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
Will this discount be on top of sales or the academic discount, or will the 5% be replaced by the larger discount?
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Am I correct in assuming that the Mobile Ed courses will follow the same structure as the subscriptions, in the sense that Pro will include the all videos from Premium plus more, and Max will include all the videos from Pro and Premium, plus additional courses specific to that tier?
I think that's the plan, yes.
Aaron Hamilton said:One thought I would like to submit: Would you be willing to consider allowing subscribers to choose a certain number of Mobile Ed courses to unlock per quarter?
I'll pass the suggestion on.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">How many times can we do trial subscription (over a calendar year or 12 month period)?
Just once, I'm afraid.
If you wanted to buy additional libraries later on, the worst-case scenario would be to take out a one-month subscription to the cheapest tier. That would also get you a subscriber-exclusive 5% additional discount on the library, so I doubt it would add much to your overall cost, and it may, in fact, be cheaper.
Thanks Mark.
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:- We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
- Logos Pro and Logos Max subscribers will get two additional perks. Firstly, they'll get free access to the premium features in Logos Sermons. But they will also get a 5% annual rewards coupon (a coupon worth 5% of your previous year’s spend).
We can confirm what the discounted pricing will be for Logos 10 owners:
- Premium: $6.99/month or $69.99/year (for those with Bronze features or higher)
- Pro: $9.99/month or $99.99/year (for those with Silver features or higher)
- Max: $12.99/month or $129.99/year (requires Full Feature Set)
Given the 5% discount and the 5% reward, it is approximately 10% cheaper (9.75% if you want to be precise). It will be "cheaper" as long as Logos doesn't adjust the price upward knowing that customers will have to be paid 10% back.
Thus, given pricing of $70/year, $100/year, $130/year, it seems that you can get your subscription price back IF you spend approximately $700, $1000, and $1300 in a year. If you spend half that amount, you get half the premium back. For people who like to spend a lot on library, the subscription model might be cheaper than previous model.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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Releasing the libraries like this makes it hard for those of us who purchase the Ultimate base packages. Is there no Ultimate base package this release or do I have to wait until early next year for the Denominational base packages?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
If so, that would be 22 libraries in total in English – at least until the denominational libraries come on stream early next year.
Just an FYI - this approach is likely to delay my purchasing of any libraries unless there are compelling resources. My usual approach is to buy the denomination packages of interest to me (Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox, and optionally Lutheran) then check to see what a Standard package would offer. When it is primarily "noise" I pass. Other times, I find it a useful addition.
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Yep. Orthodox, and see if any more Orthodox (scholarly).
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While I’m on the fence about subscribing, at least it’s no longer a definite no as it was in the past. I guess it depends on how many tool I need.
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MJ. Smith said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
If so, that would be 22 libraries in total in English – at least until the denominational libraries come on stream early next year.
Just an FYI - this approach is likely to delay my purchasing of any libraries unless there are compelling resources.
I agree with MJ. I am looking to see which library will offer me the best way to purchase resources that I am interested in. If I don't have the full menu of libraries to choose from, I will have no choice but to wait for all the libraries to be released.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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1Cor10 31 said:
Thus, given pricing of $70/year, $100/year, $130/year, it seems that you can get your subscription price back IF you spend approximately $700, $1000, and $1300 in a year. If you spend half that amount, you get half the premium back. For people who like to spend a lot on library, the subscription model might be cheaper than previous model.
That's certainly true for people who are getting the discount as L10 owners, yes.
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Matt Hamrick said:
Releasing the libraries like this makes it hard for those of us who purchase the Ultimate base packages. Is there no Ultimate base package this release or do I have to wait until early next year for the Denominational base packages?
I'm in that category, too! I'll try to find out.
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Matt Hamrick said:
Releasing the libraries like this makes it hard for those of us who purchase the Ultimate base packages. Is there no Ultimate base package this release or do I have to wait until early next year for the Denominational base packages?
Ultimate will be available with the denominational packages.
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Tony Walker said:
would you mind looking at my account and just a simple yes or no if whatever needed to happen has happened as far as charges go. thank you. I tried chatting with customer support maybe few weeks or so ago, but that got confusing for me too.
Tony,
Yes, everything that needed to happen, has happened!
Thanks for your understanding during this transition.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
- Each subscription plan will also include Mobile Ed courses, which we'll freshen up every quarter or so to give you the chance to learn from various instructors and about a range of topics. The courses will be specially selected to complement the use case of each tier. The bigger tiers will also receive more courses each quarter.
Do these get added to our library automatically or will it work like it does now where we get a code and purchase a 180-license to view them? I would also like to see, though it hasn't happened in a while, where the course(s) of a month get a large discount if we want to keep them. It would be better if we just could but that is not cost friendly to you...
Also, I haven't seen it mentioned ever so I assuming these are DOA but the 3 free connect books and lexham discount are gone forever?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We've also previously announced that Logos 10 owners will also be able to qualify for the Legacy Fallback License. This means that if you remain subscribed for 24 consecutive months, you'll be your features, even if you subsequently cancel your subscription. (A few features, especially those cloud-backed or AI-based, will be excluded from the Legacy Fallback License.) The legacy fallback license will be available in October 2026, so if you qualify before then because you're part of early access, you'll need to wait until October before you receive it. If you qualify after that, we'll give you the license as soon as you qualify.
We are still waiting on the list of which Features are included and excluded from the Legacy Fallback License....
Which could have an impact on this:
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Finally, you may have noticed our Logos 10 Farewell Sale that is happening now. Here are two reasons you’ll want to upgrade to Logos 10 (if you haven’t already) before the new subscription releases:
- You save today: You’ll get the best discounts we’ve ever offered on Logos 10 feature upgrades, libraries, and complete packages.
- You’ll save tomorrow: You’ll also get the best discount on the subscription version of Logos when you buy a Logos 10 Full Feature Upgrade or a Logos 10 Gold package (or above). Dynamic pricing also means you'll likely pay less for our next-generation Logos libraries if you purchase a discounted Logos 10 library today.
IIRC, L10 Full Feature Owners have a grandfathered position on some cloud/AI related that it was not clear whether those features would be part of the Fallback License or not...
We have just over 1 week left for the sale - yet no information on what is or is not included with the Fallback - clarity on that information may be useful in the decision making process for some who do not yet own the Full Feature Set....
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">How many times can we do trial subscription (over a calendar year or 12 month period)?
Just once, I'm afraid.
If you wanted to buy additional libraries later on, the worst-case scenario would be to take out a one-month subscription to the cheapest tier. That would also get you a subscriber-exclusive 5% additional discount on the library, so I doubt it would add much to your overall cost, and it may, in fact, be cheaper.
Just an observation with this - if the new libraries are only available to subscribers - how is it an exclusive additional discount... Wouldn't it just be the cost of the library, as they are only for subscribers - if everyone could purchase the new libraries the additional discount would apply....
Just trying to figure out the actual, functional extent of the benefits of the mentioned perks.
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Frank Sauer said:
Just trying to figure out the actual, functional extent of the benefits of the mentioned perks.
The 5% applies to "Most" books, not just the new libraries. In that sense it is a plus because you don't have to buy the libraries to subscribe.
You can still use the 5% on other resources.
Since you correctly pointed out that you can only buy the new libraries by having a subscription, I think that not simply reducing the library price by the 5% ahead of time and listing the cheaper price, prevents someone from saying..."Hey! Wait a minute! I'm suppose to get 5% off this purchase!"
Just leave the price at the higher level and let the discount apply.
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Roy said:Frank Sauer said:
Just trying to figure out the actual, functional extent of the benefits of the mentioned perks.
The 5% applies to "Most" books, not just the new libraries. In that sense it is a plus because you don't have to buy the libraries to subscribe.
You can still use the 5% on other resources.
Since you correctly pointed out that you can only buy the new libraries by having a subscription, I think that not simply reducing the library price by the 5% ahead of time and listing the cheaper price, prevents someone from saying..."Hey! Wait a minute! I'm suppose to get 5% off this purchase!"
Just leave the price at the higher level and let the discount apply.
I did understand the discount applied to most resources, it just seems odd to me to advertise an exclusive discount for subscribers, when only they can purchase the product - wouldn't it just be the price of the library since only subscribers can purchase them - is there really an additional discount???
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Frank Sauer said:
wouldn't it just be the price of the library since only subscribers can purchase them - is there really an additional discount???
Again, the point, or thought, that I was trying to pass on is that I think it is an attempt to keep someone from raising the argument that "Hey, I should get 5% off this purchase!" after they had already reduced the posted price by 5%.
Even though subscribers are the only ones that can purchase the libraries, I can still see someone trying to get that extra 5% off. It keeps Logos from having to explain over & over again that the discount was "built in" to the price. It will be easer to simply apply the 5% at purchase.
Just my take on things.
EDIT: Just thought of this...
Since we have been told that not everything is eligible for the 5%, Logos is stating that the new libraries *ARE* indeed eligible for the perk discount.
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1Cor10 31 said:
Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
In a way, it's capitalism gone bizaare, while the CEO pleads he's supporting something. And folks feverishly try to determine if Faithlife is just taking their money. But one can play the Amazon Prime game ... a free trial subscription to buy from the company. I assume those libraries must not be terribly profitable (to the company).
Eating my popcorn. Got my L10. Happy.
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Roy said:Frank Sauer said:
wouldn't it just be the price of the library since only subscribers can purchase them - is there really an additional discount???
Again, the point, or thought, that I was trying to pass on is that I think it is an attempt to keep someone from raising the argument that "Hey, I should get 5% off this purchase!" after they had already reduced the posted price by 5%.
Even though subscribers are the only ones that can purchase the libraries, I can still see someone trying to get that extra 5% off. It keeps Logos from having to explain over & over again that the discount was "built in" to the price. It will be easer to simply apply the 5% at purchase.
Just my take on things.
EDIT: Just thought of this...
Since we have been told that not everything is eligible for the 5%, Logos is stating that the new libraries *ARE* indeed eligible for the perk discount.
Again - my point is that a subscriber exclusive "additional" discount is an odd way of advertising something that is only available to subscribers and the fact that Mark clarified that the 5% is off the entire store - stating additional could lead to exactly what you're arguing - where's my additional 5%...
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Next, let me say something more about perks that we'll include when the subscription is fully launched.
- We've previously announced that every subscriber will receive a 5% discount storewide. This discount applies to everything in our store. The only exceptions are subscriptions, credit purchases (like Book Cache and gift cards), bulk purchases, and Pre-Pub and pre-order titles.
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Doc B said:
Does this mean it would be a waste of money for someone with L10 FFS to subscribe at the Premium or Pro level?
Or does it mean that someone who does not have the L10 FFS can't use the Max tools?
Hey Doc,
You have FFS 10, but if you want to get the features that will continue to develop, you should consider a subscription. If you then subscribe for 2 years you will get all the new features to own (except for AI features)
Does this help? I am in the same boat and subscribed.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
1Cor10 31">
Will library prices vary depending on whether you are a subscriber or not?
OR
Will the libraries never be available for purchase if not a subscriber?
Current libraries have always been restricted to those who own a current feature set or a subscription, and we're not changing this restriction. You won't need a paid subscription to buy a library – a free trial will be sufficient.
I think we all understood the past actions of purchase options - the questions are likely tied to the extreme changes in business strategy from what was the norm.... Since the decision was made to unhinge Features from Libraries and insert them solely into a subscription option - the thought existed that maybe the route for Libraries would change as well....
IMHO, limiting Library purchases just hurts the bottom line for Logos - as some who may not be interested in or willing to subscribe may have been interested in purchasing from the new library options - from the outside view, the more sales the better for the company...
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Hey Mark, good email, thanks.
I had one question about Mobile Ed - will there be new courses developed? My understanding is the Mobile Ed group has been pretty much shut down, so I am curious if the courses offered each quarter are the ones already available.
Thanks!
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MJ. Smith said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
If so, that would be 22 libraries in total in English – at least until the denominational libraries come on stream early next year.
Just an FYI - this approach is likely to delay my purchasing of any libraries unless there are compelling resources. My usual approach is to buy the denomination packages of interest to me (Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox, and optionally Lutheran) then check to see what a Standard package would offer. When it is primarily "noise" I pass. Other times, I find it a useful addition.
Same here. I'm at the point the standard packages do not hold anything exciting or compelling.
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Hi There,
Like many people, I'm kust trying to get my get my head around this. you say:
We've also had lots of questions about pricing. We’re working out final pricing for everyone, but we can confirm what the discounted pricing will be for Logos 10 owners:
- Premium: $6.99/month or $69.99/year (for those with Bronze features or higher)
- Pro: $9.99/month or $99.99/year (for those with Silver features or higher)
- Max: $12.99/month or $129.99/year (requires Full Feature Set)
Currently, I get the full feature set through a Logos Connect Essentials subscription. I use the these features for my academic study. Can you explain if or how I can continue to access these features once L11 is released?
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DMB said:
I assume those libraries must not be terribly profitable (to the company).
They must be highly profitable. Otherwise, no reason to offer Legacy libraries historically. I think this is just one way to try and squeeze more profits. If not enough people libraries bcos of subscription requirement then, thanks to capitalism, they will revert back. The new CEO's job will be to increase profitability, so he will try man different things for sure.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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John Fidel said:
If you then subscribe for 2 years you will get all the new features to own (except for AI features)
Except for AI and Cloud features.
Mark: Would new features compared to L10 Full Feature set be marked clearly as "AI", "Cloud", or "AI & Cloud"? This would tell us what features will be included in the Fallback license.
Thanks
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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1Cor10 31 said:
I think this is just one way to try and squeeze more profits.
Sure, profits are always in view. However, if one believes the vision statement that they are actually trying to equip and enable people to do the work of the ministry, that may be another reason to offer affordable libraries with smaller profit margins. Call it a win-win. Also, call me naive. I enjoy trying to see the best in people. It's one of my flaws.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
1Cor10 31">I think this is just one way to try and squeeze more profits.
Sure, profits are always in view. However, if one believes the vision statement that they are actually trying to equip and enable people to do the work of the ministry, that may be another reason to offer affordable libraries with smaller profit margins. Call it a win-win. Also, call me naive. I enjoy trying to see the best in people. It's one of my flaws.
Private equity investors are not "people". They are investors who are looking for max returns. Private equity investors are not Christians, who are called to reflect the character of God in word and deed. If the CEO doesn't achieve the objective set out by the private equity investors, he will be fired.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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1Cor10 31 said:
Private equity investors are not Christians …
I always learn new (and sometimes amazing!) things on the forums.
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1Cor10 31 said:
Private equity investors are not "people". They are investors who are looking for max returns. Private equity investors are not Christians, who are called to reflect the character of God in word and deed. If the CEO doesn't achieve the objective set out by the private equity investors, he will be fired.
Please refrain from this type of post - it makes me ashamed to be associated with the forum.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
1Cor10 31">Private equity investors are not "people". They are investors who are looking for max returns. Private equity investors are not Christians, who are called to reflect the character of God in word and deed. If the CEO doesn't achieve the objective set out by the private equity investors, he will be fired.
Please refrain from this type of post - it makes me ashamed to be associated with the forum.
Please refrain from passing your opinion on facts.
I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.
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1Cor10 31 said:
. If the CEO doesn't achieve the objective set out by the private equity investors, he will be fired.
True. I remember Bill McCarthy saying early on that he might not be CEO forever. That isn't to say he wouldn't want to be. I understood that statement as an admittance that it's just not his call. Nonetheless, current Logos leadership are Christians. And the private equity firm has wisely allowed/determined it to be so. If that changes in the future, I will be worried. But not today. Today I am grateful for the leadership in place at Logos.
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Today I am grateful for the leadership in place at Logos.
I too am grateful for the leadership in place at Logos. I am thoroughly excited about the updates in the latest version, and I am looking forward to all the future updates. It seems that day by day, Logos becomes a stronger tool for me to use in my ministry. I pray regularly for those at Logos, that God will guide them in their work, and I am sure that there are many others who do so as well.
To all the staff at Logos, thank you so much for your hard work. In a very real way, you are all a part of my ministry!
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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