Do I Have the Babylonian Talmud or not?

Morgan
Morgan Member Posts: 525 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I click a reference to b. Hag. 15A which brings up Neusner's translation of the Babylonian Talmud. I check my library and see that I have a copy of the Babylonian Talmud (on the left).

Are these resources actually different? Is it an error in indexing? Do I own the actual Babylonian Talmud or something pretending to be?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,466

    The two resources are different translations of the same work but they do not have identical indexing. Your reference appears to be a folio reference which is supported by Neusner but not by Rodkinson.

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  • Morgan
    Morgan Member Posts: 525 ✭✭✭

    Thank you for the response.

    Any ideas on how to find references in Rodkinson? I can put in Hag 1-3 but am not familiar with how the Talmud is divided up and how the two index types correspond.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The actual issue is Rodkinson doesn't have all the tractates that the Neusner has (besides being an old translation).

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,466

     

    "Abbreviations distinguish the versions of the Talmudic tractates: y. for Jerusalem and b. for Babylonian. A prefixed t. denotes the tractates of the

    Tosefta and an m. those of the Mishnah. A prefixed bar. denotes a baraita

    (an authoritative Tannaitic rule external to the Mishnah). When citing the

    Mishnah, a colon separates the chapter from the paragraph (i.e., mishnah);

    thus, m. Ber. 1:1. The standard way to cite the Talmud is by folio and side (a

    or b); "

    SBL Handbook of Style

     

    Thus: 

     

    m. Šabb 1:1

     

    (If I understand you correctly and you want to cite the passage that contains the parable of the pauper standing outside)

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