Newbie: How to Use Bullinger's FOS Dataset
Hi, so I'm a newbie. Downloaded and installed the software just to see if it was a useful tool to browse Bullinger's Figures of Speech. I bought the "dataset".
#1 How do I tell add-in was installed?
# 2 How do I use the thing? Best I can tell, it might just add a + somewhere in a verse (try Gen 3:17, "dying you shall die"), and under the "Information" tab, a tiny "Other References" to 3 different figures (1 correct) without any indication of the source (could be anyone I suppose), words affected, and not any kind of link or explanation. Pretty much useless.
#3 How do I look up Bullinger's other identifications of the same or related figures? Is the thing good for anything at all in anyone's experience?
#4 The "Figurative Language" tab produces nothing. I just closed it. Is it supposed to do something related to Bullinger's thing?
#5 Should I have bought the Logos Edition book instead and would it allow me to do all of what one dreams of doing? That is, see the figure in its usage, get a definitive explanation, and then find other such usages?
Aside: The default "hover" option for "Corresponding Words" would give anyone a headache, I'm thinking. Thought I found an option to turn it off, but it continues to mercilessly change the info tab on mouse move. Any way to disable?
Thank you.
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- Selected the text
- Open Context menu by right click
- Expand labels (the Accent group)
- Put the Bullinger coding in a red box to bring it to you attention
- Select the first Bullinger entry which changes the content on the right (action side)
- On the right of the action menu, select search Bible
- Logos build the search and gives me a list of all the passages with the same Bullinger coding
Play with that and see if it gets you familiar with your purchase.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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HI MJ. Smith, thanks for taking the time to reply.
I've tried that with Gen 2:17, selected the phrase "thou shalt surely die". The "Info" tab lists 3 FOS, 1 of which is correct. ("Polyptoton", Many Inflections). The right-click popup shows Metonomy, only, and is incorrect. I do a search Bible on that anyway, replace the query text with Polyptoton, and I get a list of 326 verses with no indication of what in the verse utilizes said figure. None of Bullinger's discussion of the figure at all. So far, not really helpful, and a lot of work to get that.
I looked the verse up in my hard copy just to make sure it is referenced by Bullinger. It is on page 272 with a separate paragraph discussing usage in Gen 2:17. His companion bible includes an accurate footnote so I know to at least consider the correct figure, and can go look it up in his FOS book.
I do this all the while a mouse move over the text replaces the Info tab every half second with whatever it thinks is under the mouse. It is almost impossible to avoid.
So, is that the best this piece of software can do?
Thank you again.
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James Bond said:
So, is that the best this piece of software can do?
I have used the following steps for quick access to figures mentioned in Bullinger's work while reading through a Bible
- Make a collection which has Bullinger's book in it.
- Open "Cited By" tool and add that collection to it
- Link your Bible and the "Cited By" by a Linkset
- As you scroll through your Bible, the "Cited by" tool follows
- If FOS book mentions that verse and a figure or figures, it will be listed in "Cited by"
- From that list you can then open FOS book to the respective entry and continue with your study there
Perhaps this will help to utilize the FOS resource more effectively.
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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James Bond said:
I've tried that with Gen 2:17, selected the phrase "thou shalt surely die". The "Info" tab lists 3 FOS, 1 of which is correct. ("Polyptoton", Many Inflections).
A Books Search for Gen 2:17 in Bullinger's FOS has it also listed under Synecdoche and Metonymy and Logos Help states "If (and only if) a verse is mentioned in Bullinger’s discussion of a figure of speech, that verse is labeled with that figure of speech". So that explains the reasoning, and the Info tab is correct.
James Bond said:The right-click popup shows Metonomy, only, and is incorrect..
The right-click in a Bible shows all 3 FOS (NABRE below). So why do you consider Metonomy to be incorrect?
James Bond said:I do a search Bible on that anyway, replace the query text with Polyptoton, and I get a list of 326 verses with no indication of what in the verse utilizes said figure.
Your Search result is correct. As stated above (from Logos Help), only the verse is labelled (not the applicable text). To align the text of many different bibles with that of Bullinger's King James bible is more involved. An implementation at the second level of each FOS would have been possible, though e.g.Metonymy of the Cause, Metonymy of the Effect.
James Bond said:I looked the verse up in my hard copy just to make sure it is referenced by Bullinger. It is on page 272 with a separate paragraph discussing usage in Gen 2:17. His companion bible includes an accurate footnote so I know to at least consider the correct figure
Yes, the Polyptoton is also on that page in Logos' FOS version, and this is the only source used by the label.
James Bond said:I do this all the while a mouse move over the text replaces the Info tab every half second with whatever it thinks is under the mouse. It is almost impossible to avoid.
An option in the Panel menu of Info will allow you to select by mouse Click rather than Hover, so the Info tab will not be affected by movement.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
The right-click in a Bible shows all 3 FOS (NABRE below). So why do you consider Metonomy to be incorrect?
I think there is a misunderstanding ...the Bullinger dataset is utilizing the verse reference rather than the exact phrase. Thus at times you find several figures listed in the right click context menu because that verse contains entries for several figures in the FOS book.
As for Gen 2:17, the figure Metonymy is correctly mentioned, but it refers to the phrase "In the day ..." in Gen 2:17, while Polyptoton is correctly mentioned but refers to the phrase "shalt surely die" in Gen 2:17.
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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The cited by is a great suggestion. Any other books like the FoS book we could add to that collection? I see you have others but I don’t read German
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Mattillo said:
The cited by is a great suggestion. Any other books like the FoS book we could add to that collection? I see you have others but I don’t read German
Yes,one could add other resources that deal with figures of speech to that collection. As you noted, I added some other German resources which deal with figures of speech in that collection and get matches for verses in any of these books when I scroll through a Bible. Hovering over any of the result links will give a short preview of that entry and clicking on a link in any of the results will open that resource to the article or place where the figure in the verse is mentioned.
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Anyone have any suggestions? I believe I found one of them called wordplay in the Bible
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Mattillo said:
Anyone have any suggestions? I believe I found one of them called wordplay in the Bible
Perhaps of interest:
https://www.logos.com/product/178518/lexham-figurative-language-of-the-bible-glossary
https://www.logos.com/product/183912/figurative-language-dataset
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Mattillo (and all), my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, is likely still the most complete resource ever devised for helping Bible readers study the figures of speech used in the Bible. My book is available in Logos.
Outside of Logos, I prepared an even more complete resource with even more references to figures of speech in the Bible, titled The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury.
These more complete references to the figures of speech are now given in much corrected form and fully indexed in the latest digital edition of The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (of which I as the author received an advance copy yesterday). These improvements will also be included in future printings of my book, which is newly available in "dead tree" format.
I have spent much time lately assisting the publisher and related enterprises helping them solve the anomalies they found. They have very graciously and efficiently used my corrections and my approvals of what their sophisticated computers found so that this new edition of my book is about as perfect as it is possible to get.
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Thank you Jerome! Do you know when/where I can preorder that new one?
I have this one in paper, is this the newest one?
https://www.amazon.com/Treasury-Scripture-Knowledge-easy-use/dp/0310143519/%200 -
Mattillo, that is the newest one. You will see at that link a reference to the Kindle version, where Amazon expects a March 26 availability date.
The current people at Nelson are excited to have my book back in print. They tell me that all improvements now made in the new digital edition will be made in future printings of the book edition.0 -
Wolfgang Schneider said:
I think there is a misunderstanding ...the Bullinger dataset is utilizing the verse reference rather than the exact phrase. Thus at times you find several figures listed in the right click context menu because that verse contains entries for several figures in the FOS book.
Given the method of implementation that I also stated, 3 FOS is correct. I wanted to know why James considered Metonomy to be "incorrect" (and you agree that it is correctly included)! But I agree that it is not an ideal implementation.
Dave
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@W. Schneider: Hi, thank you for your response. This looks like the most promising help. However, it means I'll need to purchase the Logos Volume for FoS Used in the Bible, which is fine by me.
I suspect it is only going to open up the Volume and I'll have to locate what I'm after nonetheless. In a smart app that was a big help, I'd want to find:
1. Identification of which figure is employed on selected word or phrase
2. All of Bullinger's notes on said usage.
3. All of Bullinger's notes on said figure.
4. Links to all other usages of said figure. Again, those would be exact links that identify exact translation (KJV since that is what Bullinger uses) word, words, or phrase, and even Strong's numbers (which can be gotten with the interlinear, of course).
What would also be nice is linking to related figures (and how), and even perhaps comparison against similar but different figures. I could think of a few other useful things.
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Thanks! Got rid of the mouse-hover event switching the content of the Info panel. Thought it ws an option elsewhere.
It's a disappointment that the tool doesn't do more than it does right now. I still need my hard copy.
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I finally deduced that. The popup window was hiding the other figures identified in the verse with an "arrow" dropdown. Clicked, and unfolded it. Thanks!
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As a newbie, I found the UI to be entirely misleading. I selected words in the verse, and expected to find the figure mentioned explicitly by itself. Instead I was left guessing which figure applied to the words, hunting through unfamiliar popups, and asking kind people for assistance on a forum.
What I've discovered is that what I expected to find simply isn't a feature of the product at this time. W.S. offered best setup, I think, and I'll probably give it a whirl. My goal would be to archive my hard copy in preference to using an electronic tool that does everything I could do with it.
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@Jerome: You got free advertisement of your product on Logos.com, seems perfect to me.
Of course, the Author alone shall one day be the final judge of whether or not your work has been approved for use, and how perfect it is or was.
If it stacks up in integrity to Bullinger's work, my guess is that you're on your way ...
I did stumble upon your product while looking for something to investigate text against Bullinger's FoS. As far as usefulness, does your thing:
Identify exact set of words that are employed per figure per verse?
Provide detailed explanation of said figure?
Provide detailed explanation of how said figure works in a given translation (if not completely ignored/overlooked/etc)?
Provide detailed, exact links to all other usages of said figure? Like a concordance.
Compare said figure to derived, ancestral, or similar figures, and then link to them?
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Hi W. Schneider - the references to other figurative language datasets - how do they compare in integrity or accuracy to Bullinger's work?
I'm not a foreign language expert (certainly not Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic), and so have to rely in part on simple trust. For the most part, I find Bullinger to be reliably correct, trustworthy, helpful. Not easily misled by the doctrines, commandments, and traditions of men :0
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James Bond said:
As a newbie, I found the UI to be entirely misleading. I selected words in the verse, and expected to find the figure mentioned explicitly by itself. Instead I was left guessing which figure applied to the words, hunting through unfamiliar popups, and asking kind people for assistance on a forum.
As you become familiar with Logos you will discover a significant number of the tags are at the verse level rather than a more granular tagging. As I hate using verse for anything other than location on the page, it drives me nuts but most users never even notice.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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James Bond said:
and traditions of men
Hmmm I always thought of the names and arrangement of figures of speech/rhetorical analysis, especially when framed in Greek or Latin names, to be the epitome of tradition of men ... including the last word being applicable as women don't appear to have had much input despite Sappho.[8-|] [:#]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Sample from New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge
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Accismus; or, Apparent Refusal. Mt 15:24.
2. Acrostichion; or, Acrostic. Ps 9:1.
3. Aenigma; or, Dark Saying. Ge 49:10.
4. Aetiologia; or, Cause Shown. Ro 1:13.
5. Affirmatio; or, Affirmation. Ph 1:18.
6. Aganactesis; or, Indignation. Ge 3:13.
7. Allegory; or, Continued Comparison. Ga 4:22, 23.
8. Amoebaeon; or, Refrain. Ps 118:1.
9. Amphibologia; or, Double Meaning. 2 K 5:18.
10. Amphidiorthosis; or, Double Correction. 1 K 14:14.
11. Ampliato; or, Adjournment. Ge 2:23.
12. Anabasis; or, Gradual Ascent. Ps 1:1.
13. Anachoresis; or, Regression. Ep 3:14.
14. Anacoenosis; or, Common Cause. Is 5:3, 4.
15. Anacoluthon; or, Non-Sequence.
15A. Lk 21:6. Accusative stands alone at the beginning of a sentence.
15B. Jn 6:22-24. Grammatical connection changed after a parenthesis.
15C. Mk 6:11. Change of person, etc.
15D. Mk 11:32. Construction broken off, not completed.
15E. Mk 6:9. Indirect to direct form of speech.
15F. Jn 13:29. Direct to the indirect form of speech.
15G. Ge 35:3. Two equivalent constructions united in the same proposition.
16. Anadiplosis; or, Like Sentence Endings and Beginnings. Ge 1:27.
17. Anamnesis; or, Recalling. Ro 9:3.
18. Anaphora; or, Like Sentence Beginnings. Dt 28:3.
19. Anastrophe; or, Arraignment. Dt 22:1.
20. Anesis; or, Abating. 2 K 5:1.
21. Anteisagoge; or, Counter Question. Jg 14:8.
22. Anthropopatheia; Anthropomorphism, or Condescension.
22A1. Le 26:11. Soul attributed to God.
22A2. Col 2:17. A body used of Christ.
22A3. 1 Co 11:3. Head is spoken of Christ.
22A4. Ge 19:13. Face to signify presence.
22A5. 2 S 16:22. Eyes.
22A6. Ps 11:4. Eyes used of God’s observation.
22A7. Dt 11:12. Eyes used of God’s favor.
22A8. Ps 10:17. Ears.
22A9. Ex 15:8. Nostrils.
22A10. Nu 12:8. Mouth, lips, and tongue.
22A11. Is 30:30. Voice.
22A12. Ex 15:16. Arms to indicate his strength and power.
22A13. Is 52:10. Arm executed in judgment.
22A14.1. Nu 11:23. Hand denoting power and miraculous operation.
22A14.2. Ac 4:28. Hand denoting purpose.
22A14.3. Ps 31:5. Protection.
22A14.4. Ps 104:28. Providence.
22A14.5. Ne 2:8. Prospering.
22A14.6. Jn 10:28. Preservation.
22A14.7. Ex 9:3. Punishment.
22A14.8A. Ex 7:5. To stretch forth the hand.
22A14.8B. Jb 1:11. To put forth the hand.
22A14.8C. Is 19:16. To shake the hand.
22A14.8D. Ps 32:4. To make the hand heavy.
22A14.8E. 1 S 6:5. To make the hand light.
22A14.8F. Ezk 20:22. To withdraw the hand.
22A14.8G. Is 1:25. To turn the hand upon.
22A14.8H. Pr 1:24. To lift up or spread out the hand.
22A14.8I. Ps 104:28. To open the hand.
22A14.8J. Ezk 21:17. To clap or smite the hands together.
22A14.8K. Ex 6:8. To lift up the hand.
22A14.8L. 1 K 18:46. The hand of the Lord upon.
22A15A. Ex 15:6. Right hand denoting the highest power and most Divine authority.
22A15B. Ps 18:35. Denoting grace and mercy.
22A15C. Ps 110:1. Place accorded Christ in his human nature now exalted.
22A15D. 1 Co 15:25. Christ’s dignity.
22A16. Ex 8:19. Finger attributed to God.
22A17. Ge 6:6. Heart.
22A18. Is 63:15. Bowels denoting his mercy and pity.
22A19. Ps 74:11. Bosom, denoting God’s comfort and rest.
22A20. Ps 74:3. Feet, denoting his presence in the earth in power and universal dominion.
22A21. Ps 77:19. Footsteps.
22B1. Ps 104:31. Human emotions are attributed to God: Rejoicing.
22B2. Ge 6:6. Sorrow and grief.
22B3. Ge 6:6. Repentance.
22B4. Ex 15:7. Anger, vengeance, hatred.
22B5. Is 57:6. Comfort.
22B6. Ex 20:5. Jealousy.
22B7. Is 9:7. Zeal.
22B8. Zc 1:15. Displeasure.
22B9. Jl 2:18. Pity.
22C1. Ge 18:21. Human actions are attributed to God: knowing, as acquiring knowledge as though before ignorant.
22C2. Ge 3:9. Not knowing.
22C3. Ge 8:1. Remembering.
22C4. Ps 13:1. Forgetting and not forgetting.
22C5. Ge 50:20. Thinking.
22C6. Is 5:26. Hissing.
22C7. Ge 2:7. Breathing.
22C8. Ps 2:4. Laughing.
22C9. Is 42:13. Crying out.
22C10. Ge 2:16. Speaking by way of discourse or command.
22C11. Ge 18:22. Standing.
22C12. Ml 3:3. Sitting.
22C13. Ge 16:13. Seeing.
22C14. Ge 16:11. Hearing.
22C15. Ge 8:21. Smelling.
22C16. Ps 104:32. Tasting and touching.
22C17. Le 26:12. Walking.
22C18. Dt 33:26. Riding.
22C19. Nu 23:4, 16. Meeting.
22C20. Ho 5:15. Returning.
22C21. Nu 10:35. Rising up.
22C22. Ex 12:12. Passing through.
22C23. Ps 2:7. Begetting.
22C24. Ps 51:2. Washing.
22C25. Ps 31:20. Hiding.
22C26. 2 K 21:13. Wiping.
22C27. Ps 18:32. Girding.
22C28. Ge 2:22mg. Building.
22C29. Jb 5:18. Binding up.
22C30. Ps 78:23. Opening doors, windows, etc.
22C31. Ps 17:3. Proving and trying.
22C32. Ps 2:9. Breaking.
22C33. Am 9:9. Sifting.
22C34. Ex 32:32. Blotting out.
22C35. Ex 15:7. Eating or swallowing.
Jerome H. Smith, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge: The Most Complete Listing of Cross References Available Anywhere- Every Verse, Every Theme, Every Important Word (Nashville TN: Thomas Nelson, 1992), 1538.Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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James Bond said:
Hi James
Please use the Quote button when you reply, so as to avoid confusion. You can then edit the content (or select the part you want before using the button, as I did here).
Dave
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You learn something new every day. Thanks!
Dave Hooton said:Hi James
Please use the Quote button when you reply, so as to avoid confusion. You can then edit the content (or select the part you want before using the button, as I did here).
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I don't know how to compare that to Bullinger. It looks pretty extensive, especially under Anthropopatheia.
Does he do any comparison or related figure work? Or explanatory documentation?
Thanks!
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Har, har. I'm sure your species is included in about every tradition known to man!
Really, it seems to me that knowledge of FoS is sorely lacking in a modern English education. If it weren't for the work done by some of these scholars, I for one would still be in the dark. I think the Author uses them to emphasize something He's saying. Draws your attention to it. Various translations would appear to miss the mark by ignoring or misunderstanding them. Having such a reference work is no less useful than some kind of chapter/verse enumeration or a grammar book don't you think?
"thou shalt surely die" vs. "dying you will die": The second kind of points out the gravity of our dear friend Adam's decision. He had no excuse for his transgression, unlike Eve. He left us all in a difficult position, to say the least. So there you go about the tradition "of men". [;)]
I certainly take every piece of scholarly writing by men or women with a "grain of salt", ready to chuck it if and when the circumstances dictate it. They're all suspect until proven otherwise, AFAIC, and then they still are.
MJ. Smith said:James Bond said:and traditions of men
Hmmm I always thought of the names and arrangement of figures of speech/rhetorical analysis, especially when framed in Greek or Latin names, to be the epitome of tradition of men ... including the last word being applicable as women don't appear to have had much input despite Sappho.
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Missing seems to be identification of the exact word or phrase in the translation that make up the figure. Is that correct?
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Here's another: IIRC, the entirety of Psalm 119 is an "Acrostic", but is not listed under 2 of your result. Should it have been?
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Here is a sample of the Genesis text (I am including Genesis 2:16 and 2:17) the Opening Post asked about from my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge:
16. God. 1 S 15:22. saying. ƒ22C10. Figure of speech Anthropopatheia or Anthropomorphism B888. Human actions are attributed to God: speaking, by way of discourse or command. For other instances of this figure see Ge 1:3. 3:9. 6:13. 12:1. 13:14. 15:18. Ex 3:4, 5. thou mayest freely eat. Heb. eating thou shalt eat. ver. 9. Ge 3:1, 2. 1 Ti *4:4. *6:17. ƒ147B. Figure of speech Polyptoton B272: verb with infinitive or participle, involving the repetition of the same part of speech in different inflections for emphasis. May be used in strong and emphatic affirmation, or in strong negation. Here it is used in strong affirmation or exhortation. The conjugated verb is strengthened and emphasized by the infinitive preceding it. This infinitive Eve omitted in Ge 3:2, and thus “diminished” from the word of God. For other instances of this figure see Ge *2:17. 3:16. 28:22. 37:33. Ex 3:16. 19:12, 13. Jsh 24:10. 2 K 3:23. Ps 118:18. Is *6:9. Je 22:10. 23:17. 51:58. Da 11:13. Zc 8:21. Mt 13:13, 14. Mk 4:12. Lk 8:10. Jn 12:40. Ac 7:34. 28:26, 27. Ro 11:8. 12:15. He 6:14.
Smith, J. H. (1992). The new treasury of scripture knowledge: The most complete listing of cross references available anywhere- every verse, every theme, every important word (p. 6). Thomas Nelson.
17. of the tree. ver. 9. Ge 3:1-3, 11, 17, 19. Ac 5:30. 10:39. 1 P 2:24. Re 2:7. 22:2. good and evil. Dt 6:4. Ro 3:20. in the day. Ezk *33:12. ƒ171T2. Figure of speech Synecdoche; or, Transfer B652: the exchange of one idea for another associated idea. Here, Of the Part, when a part is put for the whole: “in the day” is put for an indefinite time. A noun with the preposition followed by the verb in the infinitive, as here, becomes an adverb of time, and means simply “when,” or “after then,” or “after that.” For other instances of this figure see Ge 2:4. Le 13:14. 14:57. Dt 21:16. 2 S 21:12. 1 K *2:37. 2 K 20:1. Ps 18:18. Is 11:16. Je 11:3, 4. 31:32. 34:13. Ezk 20:5, 6. 36:33. 38:18. ƒ121I2. Figure of speech Metonymy of the Subject B570, when the subject (the thing or action) is put for that which is connected with it. Here, of verb, where the action is put for the declaration concerning it. The meaning is not that he would die that very day, but that he would be sentenced to die “in that day.” For other instances of this figure see Ge 27:37. 30:13. 34:12. 35:12. 41:13. Ex 13:2. 20:7. Le 13:3. Dt 9:1. 2 S 7:22. Is 6:10. 8:13. Je 1:5, 10. 4:10. 38:23. Ezk 13:19, 22. 20:25, 26. Ho 6:5. Mt 6:13. 13:14. 16:19. Mk 4:12. Lk 7:29, 35. 8:10. 10:29. 16:15. Jn 12:40. *20:23. Ac 10:15. 28:26, 27. Ro 7:9. 11:8. 2 Co 3:6. Ga 3:23. Ja 2:21, 22, 24, 25. thou shalt surely die. Heb. dying thou shalt die. ƒ147B. Figure of speech Polyptoton, Ge +2:16. Here again Eve in Ge 3:3 alters the Word of God by saying “Lest ye die”! Thus she changes a certainty into a contingency. Not only does she thus diminish from and alter the Word of God but she adds to it the words “neither shall ye touch it,” which the Lord God had not spoken! surely. Ge 3:3, 4, 19. ◐*5:5. 20:7. Nu 26:65. Dt 27:26. 30:15, 19, 20. Le 22:9. 1 S 14:39, 44. 20:31. 22:16. 1 K 2:37, 42. Je 15:1, 2. 26:8. Ezk *3:18-20. 18:*4, 13, 32. 33:8, 14. Ro 1:32. *3:23. 5:12-21. 6:16, *23. 7:10-13. 8:2. 13:4. 1 Co *15:22, 56. Ga 3:10. Ep 2:1-6. *4:18. 5:14. Col 2:13. 1 Ti 5:6. He +*9:27. Ja *1:15. 1 J +*5:16. Re 2:11. 20:6, 14. *21:8.
Smith, J. H. (1992). The new treasury of scripture knowledge: The most complete listing of cross references available anywhere- every verse, every theme, every important word (pp. 6–7). Thomas Nelson.
Note that I give the page number from E. W. Bullinger's book, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible. The page number(s) are indicated by "B888," "B272," and so forth. I also give the other passages that contain the same figure of speech category.
My work has a more complete and accurate index and a fuller listing of where each figure of speech appears in the Bible than is found in Bullinger's book, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible or the Companion Bible because I drew upon many of his other published books and the full set of his journal Things to Come [if I recall the title correctly] which I have in my print library. I also included figures identified by Matthew Poole in his commentary. I also drew upon Claude C. Douglas, Overstatement in the New Testament (New York: Henry Holt and Company, 1931. 252 pages), and other resources I have.0 -
A question was raised regarding the figure Acrostic. It is given as f2, Psalm 9:1 in the Index to the Figures of Speech:
2. Acrostichion; or, Acrostic. Ps 9:1.
3. Aenigma; or, Dark Saying. Ge 49:10From my Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:
Psalms 9:1
praise. FS2, Acrostichion: or, Acrostic: Repetition of the same or successive letters at the beginnings of words or clauses. Psalms 9 and Psalms 10 are linked together by an irregular alphabet running through, and thus combining the two. F/S 180-188 [for other instances of Acrosticon see Psalms 25; Psalms 34; Psalms 37; Psalms 111; Psalms 112; Psalms 119; Psalms 145; Pro 31:10-31; Lamentations 1; Lamentations 2; Lamentations 3; Lamentations 4]."F/S 180-188" is the page reference to Bullinger's Figures of Speech Used in the Bible.
This entry was accidentally left out of the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and will have to be corrected in a future printing. The error probably occurred because it was very difficult to catch this kind of problem when I first typed the entire book on 5 1/4 inch floppy disks in the 1980s.
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James Bond said:
Hi W. Schneider - the references to other figurative language datasets - how do they compare in integrity or accuracy to Bullinger's work?
I'm not a foreign language expert (certainly not Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic), and so have to rely in part on simple trust. For the most part, I find Bullinger to be reliably correct, trustworthy, helpful. Not easily misled by the doctrines, commandments, and traditions of men :0
Hi James, the items included in the collection of figure of speech related works which I use in the "Cited by" tool are not actually datasets but books. They other books in my collection on figures of speech are in German and to some degree use different categorization and naming of figures as well as identifying figures differently. I consider Bullinger's book to still be the most extensive available to me and I do use it often. Also, in his Companion Bible additional occurrences / verse with figures are mentioned which were not listed as examples in his FOS book articles. However, as with the other resources on the topic, all contribute to my study of the Scriptures as tools to use so that I can make informed decisions as to what I deem to be the correct / best understanding of a passage of Scripture to then believe and trust.
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Jerome Smith said:
My work has a more complete and accurate index and a fuller listing of where each figure of speech appears in the Bible than is found in Bullinger's book, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible or the Companion Bible because I drew upon many of his other published books and the full set of his journal Things to Come [if I recall the title correctly] which I have in my print library. I also included figures identified by Matthew Poole in his commentary. I also drew upon Claude C. Douglas, Overstatement in the New Testament (New York: Henry Holt and Company, 1931. 252 pages), and other resources I have.
NTSK is a quite different type of resource from books on the topic of Figures of Speech, and Jerome's words "has a more complete and accurate index and a fuller listing of where each figure of speech is found in the Bible than is found in Bullinger's book ..." describe it very well.
I admit, I had not even realized its enormous contribution in this regard until Jerome mentioned this figures of speech detail in this thread. Its main purpose and use for me until now had been in a layout for checking and looking up parallel passage to particular verses or passages, thus concentrating on the scripture reference links and more or less overlooking the "f" marked references to figures of speech. I shall add it in my layout for study on "figures of speech" ...
Thank you, Jerome for your input!Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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I am a complete newbie to Logos, but I use my Bullinger Companion and try to be aware of FoS in my study. So this thread is very timely, and has a lot of useful information and discussion. To confirm, there is no easy way for a user to know which words of a verse are part of a figure of speech, much less which figure in the case of multiples per verse? And since Logos is more centered on versified indexing, this would be a considerable task. To be sure the Cited By using Bullinger's FoS and perhaps the NTSK would be very useful.
But one would suppose that a resource of notes tied to the actual text of a reference translation say (KJV) in case of Bullinger would pinpoint the translated words to the specific figure, which would then be useful when crossed with alternative translations. I know that a user can create such a notebook, but could such a notebook be used as a link set data source for other users, or is that use case only for the individual user?
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