Dynamic Pricing on Logos.com is Getting Pretty Far Out of Line

DMB · 2025-03-28T16:44:32+00:00

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Of course, as everyone knows, the Hebrew Encyclopedia ships … yes, this Monday! Of course, I'm nervously wondering if it'll be delayed … ergo checking.

That brings up 'collections' and pricing. The hebrew encyclopedia sold alone, is the far-right amount below ($399.99).

But being in a collection (below, to the left) grows in pricing. In each (I carefully checked), only the hebrew encyclopedia is outstanding (the rest showing 'owned' and indeed they're in my library.

Used to be, there'd be a 1-3% discrepancy … chalked up to dynamic rounding, etc. But now, the discrepancies are getting quite substantial. 10%+ and then almost 20%. That's quite a dynamic rounding problem.

Of course, the answer as a customer is, always check all the Logos.com choices … if you don't … well.

ADDED: I wonder if Logosians are nefariously getting hit with a reduced dynamic credit on 'owned' these days? Nah, they wouldn't do that.

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Sean T

I've been noticing this a lot as well. Someone turned a cashflow knob a notch too far.

Veli Voipio

Even the 399.99 is quite high. But I'll have something to read in the summer.

DMM

It USED to be that when a product was on sale, if it was part of a package, the package also reflected that (not all the time, and not always accurately, but it did seem to usually result in a lower price).

But now it does seem that a product being on sale doesn't effect the package price at all. If you are going to buy a large package, and some of the books are on a good sale, you might (might!) be better off buying them first.

Case in point:

And this one is slightly amusing…

I don't have any of the books in A Marginal Jew series.

Verbum 5 Silver contains all 4, and only those. It's $13.26.

Verbum 5 Gold contains all 4 plus 2 other books for $23.35

Verbum 6 Platinum contains all 4, and only those, but it's $26.79. So it's identical to Verbum 5 Silver. But it's twice the price. For the same 4 titles.

DMM

Also, a word of warning when buying anything on Prepub… in Logos' system, you do not own them until they've shipped and you've been charged - you can see this by searching for a book you pre-ordered, and then refresh the search but then click on the option to view only titles you own. It won't be there.

So, dynamic pricing WILL NOT BE IN PLAY.

The promise that you'll never pay for any book twice doesn't work with prepub. It's not intentional, I'm sure. It's just how the system works. And I doubt it effects many people.

But for example, @DMB , in your image above, even though you preordered the set, the system would let you place preorders for all 3 of those packages in your image, even though all three of them only contain the book you already preordered. Of course, whether in the end they'd actually charge you for all of them, I'm not sure and I'm not willing to find out :-)

I would think that someone would be aware with a huge purchase, but for a smaller book, you might not notice. I found that out when there was a small package with a Bible for preorder. I preordered just the Bible, wondering if it would make the package cheaper, but the package price didn't decrease. So I then preordered the package, and it did let me have both on preorder. I did end up canceling the Bible order.

DMB

Very interesting examples on Marginal Jew … I really wonder what the formula could be.

Not sure what the prepub point is (no offense) … prepub is not owned in the formula (agreed). But I'd think there's some sort of growing grift (or maybe that should be drift) in the dynamic computation for resources owned … the more you own, the higher the price for the same book … literally.

Yasmin Stephen

So, dynamic pricing WILL NOT BE IN PLAY.
The promise that you'll never pay for any book twice doesn't work with prepub. It's not intentional, I'm sure. It's just how the system works.

And I don’t see why it should be in play—you haven’t spent any money yet. I could get a nice dynamic price on a collection because of a preorder, then turn around and cancel the preorder, leaving Logos holding the bag.

Ben

I put in a prepub order on the EHLL… but I hope it gets delayed, because I can't justify it yet, and if it's not delayed, will have to cancel/return :(

DMB

How in light of the universe, and the language of the Creator, can you 'not justify it yet'??

Is 'yet' a clock? Is 'justify' a metric that is not quite 'fulfilled'??

Ok, I admit not even remotely needing it … I'm just stubborn. Had to give up my CAD (moving, and a monster). EHLL is my sad consolation.

Ben

the family CFO is not on board, and I don’t have a job yet ;)

DMM

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364577#Comment_1364577

I didn't say it should be. I was just pointing out that it's possible to pay for something twice with a preorder if you're not careful.

DMB

I didn't say it should be. I was just pointing out that it's possible to pay for something twice with a preorder if you're not careful.

Not intending to argue, but the recent fancy-dancy package-combiner in the cart (per Phil), nets out duplicates (as in 2 prepubs the same). They also say, they close out any stray pre-pubs outstanding … don't know if indeed.

Matthew Christian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364601#Comment_1364601

You should be able to find CAD in PDF form online. EHLL is also just such an awesome resource. I bought in Accordance a while back and used it all through the end of Seminary. Such a valuable resource

scooter

What the EHLL is EHLL?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364649#Comment_1364649

Thank you, Matthew. The hardbacks were fun, but a bear to store.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364650#Comment_1364650

That's where bad spellers go, if they work on tombstones.

Encyclopedia of the Hebrew Language and Linguistics

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364652#Comment_1364652

Thanks, DMB.

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Take me down to Acronym City

Where the letters too large

and the meaning too pithy.

Don't wanna go!!

But I wanna know!!

Why don' words take me ho-o-o-o-o-ome?

[[ to freshen up the song Paradise City]].

Mitch Snyder (Faithlife)

Thanks @DMB for pointing this out, I will take a look at this. I can say, we're excited to ship this set today and no delays are expected.

Mitch Snyder (Faithlife)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364574#Comment_1364574

@DMM just below the cutoff on your first screenshot, there is language explaining that if the individual pieces are on sale, the price may be lower vs. buying a set.

Mitch Snyder (Faithlife)

I can also confirm, you will not be charged twice for any prepubs, even if you place multiple orders for products that contain a resource (like the original post). Our system does not allow us to double charge for a resource. My team and I take that very seriously and aim to provide the best possible price on prepubs. This is all great feedback though and we can continue to push internally to improve and grow.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364788#Comment_1364788

Whoo, hoo! Thank you, Mitch.

DMB

Well, indeed, the Faithlifers, working deep into the evening, the Pacific sun setting (or at least the servers waking up) began the drumbeat of emails … shipped! After so many years. In development, gathering interest, up, down, what?

From its article on Kabbala:

"The idea that Hebrew had originated as a divine and natural language and that even after the Fall it still possessed something of its original glory was clearly a compelling and alluring proposition for many Christians. Not only did Scripture support this idea, but it implied that language had once been a means of direct communication between man and God and a mirror reflecting nature with complete fidelity. Such a language precluded all uncertainty, confusion, and any possibility of misunderstanding."

Veli Voipio

I really did come when the Arctic sun was rising. Apparently a good book since my father's cousin was mentioned: Ilmari Soisalon-Soininen (1917–2002; Finland, Septuagint studies)

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1364859#Comment_1364859

He gets referenced a LOT! In my library 44 books and 106 articles … even Gottengen and BHQ (twice!).

I thought this quote was interesting regarding LXX translation:

"Similarly the earlier Helsinki examination of infinitives (Soisalon-Soininen 1965) and semi-prepositions (Sollamo 1979) classified Ezekiel in the “most slavishly literal” group."

Off-topic (a little), read the article on lies! I'm going to try it out, using the morphs. I already tried out absence of evidence > double-negatives etc.