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ASUNDER
ASUNDER Member Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
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Christians, masters of the scriptures:

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Atheists providing a free tool:

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Search result took 0.00000000000001 seconds to give me exactly what I asked for.

"Hey you should give us the price of a used motor vehicle every year so you can use our super duper software. We've been doing this thirty years but we still can't figure out how a table of contents works or basic bookmarks. Because instead of skill and effectiveness, no God called us to police everybody's manners; it doesn't matter if our software works or not. What matters is if everybody smiles for the camera."

- American Christians 2025

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,245

    I'm not sure what point you are making

    Your first screenshot shows an Inline Search in the KJV - and it is simply saying that there is no verse in that translation that contains all those words.

    If you run a Bible Search on those words you do get good results - either in a Smart Search:

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    or, slightly less helpfully - but still useful - using the Fuzzy view of a Precise Search

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,354 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 1

    Not being critical per se', but a lot of these questions and mis-steps illustrate Logos is not for the easy going Christian. The experienced can say 'well, any serious app needs training!'.

    And I don't have any solution … what Asunder did is pretty much invited by the design, but with a supreme failure.

    On my old '36' (sounds like a steam engine), a straight unquoted Bible search returned one old Bible translation of Tishchendorf! Moving from narrow to broad. Again, not criticizing. But knowledge of the details is a criticality.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,945
    edited April 1

    Watching my youngest grandson get "educated" I suspect the younger generation will not have the kind of issue Assunder had. He asked the question of a single translation with 8 unordered words which he assumed he remembered accurately and assumed were from the KJV. It is more likely that he wanted a phrase from whichever translation contained it. Recognizing the assumptions made in a query and modifying the query to improve its results is being taught more formally in schools today than even when my young adult grandchildren were in school. I suspect the older the Logos user, the more difficulty they have, on average, formulating their search arguments/queries. We older users have to be more self-conscious in building a search because it was not pounded into our heads from grade 1 on.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,354 ✭✭✭✭

    I agree completely. But I have my own search coding in my software. Just seems, well, like their code is too brittle. But the new AI may be like word processors, vs selectrics! An improved selectric timed out.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

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