Sentence Diagramming Tool

Doc B
Doc B Member Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭
edited April 2 in English Forum

I decided to try out the SD tool today.

What a disaster. I can't believe they published something this bad.

Why would I say that?

  1. working in the tool is clunky (to put it nicely)
  2. using text tools (font, color, HL, etc.) is slow and works inconsistently
  3. added shapes do not group with the text, so if something is changed, the entire diagram has to be manually reworked
  4. I can't print nor can I export the finished product
  5. copying and pasting from the tool doesn't work and crashes Logos every time I try

This tool should be deprecated until it is marginally functional.

(I'm on 40.2.4, Logos Max, on Win10.)

Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

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  • Francis
    Francis Member Posts: 3,978 ✭✭✭

    Canvas has been used as an alternative. Not that I care for it myself, but some seem to like it.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,977

    The sentence diagrammer has not been updated since the ability to do tree diagrams was added many years ago. My requests for updates/use of 3rd party software have not garnered many votes so it apparently is not a priority among users.

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  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1365034#Comment_1365034

    With Biblearc out there, Logos may never develop this tool. Unfortunate.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Steven MacDonald
    Steven MacDonald Member Posts: 289 ✭✭✭

    This is such a useful tool. Maybe now would be a good time to start a new request for updates. I haven't used the Logos tool in depth yet on my Mac but I haven't seen any crashes? Is this specific to Windows? Just curious.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,126

    4. I can't print nor can I export the finished product

    Ctrl+P to Print (or using the Panel Menu) works for me on Windows. What happens when you try to print?

    (Forgive the "diagram", I just inserted a passage then randomly added some shapes…)

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    5. copying and pasting from the tool doesn't work and crashes Logos every time I try

    I'm able to drag a selection around shapes (or press Ctrl+A to select them all) then press Ctrl+C to copy, which puts an image on the clipboard. I haven't been able to make it crash; can you provide some more specific steps to reproduce the problem?

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  • Steven MacDonald
    Steven MacDonald Member Posts: 289 ✭✭✭

    @Bradley Grainger (Logos) Thank you for looking at this. Are you doing this on a Mac or Windows?

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,126

    I was testing on Windows. I'm not aware of any differences in this tool between macOS and Windows, though.

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭

    @Bradley Grainger (Logos) Here's a typical sequence-

    Top SS is the block diagram I created.

    1.png

    I go to the panel menu and choose Print/Export and…

    2.png

    This is all I get…a blank document. (Sitting there a long time so it can catch up if slow doesn't help.)

    3.png

    If I highlight part (by click-dragging the mouse) or all (by using Ctrl-A), then hit Ctrl-C to copy, Logos just shuts down and goes away after about five seconds.

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    I can't get a video screen cap of the crash…it just goes away.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,126

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    Unfortunately, both those steps (Print and Copy) do work fine for me, but I'll see if our QA team can find something awry here.

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  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭

    @Bradley Grainger (Logos) FWIW I'm planning to try the same thing on my computer at home tonight. If it does anything differently, I'll let you know (as that means the problem is with my computer and not the feature).

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭

    I tried the same steps on my computer at home and got the exact same results: Blank P/E page and immediate crash on using Ctrl+C to copy from the document.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

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