Confused by INTERSECTS

Lankford Oxendine
Lankford Oxendine Member Posts: 53 ✭✭
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When I do a Bible search with this syntax (person:Jesus INTERSECTS lemma.g:κηρύσσω) the result fails to bring up passages such as Matt 4:17, Matt 9:35, Matt 11:1, etc. I guess I don't understand the exact concept of INTERSECTS. Thanks for your help.

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,145

    My technique to diagnose these problems is to run each side of the "INTERSECTS" search separately:

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    You can see that in Matthew 4:17, the two search hits do not "INTERSECT".

    In general, the person tagging is only applied for implied subjects of verbs, so person:Jesus won't find every verb where Jesus is the subject.

  • Lankford Oxendine
    Lankford Oxendine Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Thanks Bradley for responding. I'm confused by your statement "You can see that in Matthew 4:17, the two search hits do not "INTERSECT"". What counts as intersecting for the two searches? I guess I don't understand the specific difference between the operator INTERSECTING vs AND.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,145

    AND means the hits are in the same verse (or same "article" for Books Search).

    INTERSECT means the coloured search hit highlights have at least one character in common. In this example (in Matt 4:17), "Jesus" and "preach" have nothing in common / do not overlap / do not intersect (different way of saying the same thing).

    (EQUALS means the coloured search hit highlights are exactly the same.)

  • Lankford Oxendine
    Lankford Oxendine Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    I think I understand. Subject-verb counts as intersection, but subject-object does not. Is that correct?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,165
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1365394#Comment_1365394

    That is not a good way to think of it. implied subject/verb do intersect in that the share the conjugational suffix. But it is best to think of it as Bradley put it - do they overlap? For example, the speaker and what the speaker says overlap because of how labels are constructed.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Lankford Oxendine
    Lankford Oxendine Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Thanks MJ, that helps. So is there a way to do a search in Logos that will find all of the verses where Jesus is preaching to include Matthew 4:17?

  • Bill
    Bill Member Posts: 397 ✭✭✭

    So is there a way to do a search in Logos that will find all of the verses where Jesus is preaching to include 

    Matthew 4:17?

    @Lankford Oxendine Do any of these give you what you need?

    person:Jesus BEFORE lemma.g:κηρύσσω or person:Jesus WITHIN 8 WORDS lemma.g:κηρύσσω or

    person:Jesus NEAR lemma.g:κηρύσσω

    Too soon old. Too late smart.

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭

    Intersects have six legs.

    Arachternids have eight.

    Hope this helps. 🤣

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member, MVP Posts: 2,273

    I think what you want is a clause search.

    verb-lemma:κηρύσσω subject:Jesus

    Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 683 ✭✭✭

    Hi @Justin Gatlin,

    I am just sort of wandering around random threads trying to learn things, so with that as a preface, I clicked on that link in your comment and got a strange error. I thought the problem is that it is "all" so I tried "Bible" "Books" and "Morph" and it all gave the same sort of error.

    Here is a screenshot in case it means anything to anyone.

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  • Lankford Oxendine
    Lankford Oxendine Member Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Kristin,

    You need to do a clause search with this syntax. It doesn't appear you have that option with your package.

  • Kristin
    Kristin Member Posts: 683 ✭✭✭

    Hi @Lankford Oxendine,

    Oh, ok, thank you for clarifying this, I appreciate it. :)

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