Changes to User Interface/Toolbar
In the recent updates to Logos 11, the simple toggle style icons have been replaced with a text menu type structure.
I personally found the old style icons for turning on and off things like interlinear, reformatting, visual filters, etc. far more ergonomic and streamlined. I am now having to perform the same functions with many more actions on to accomplish the same outcome.
Am I the only one finding this to be a step backwards? I understand it may feel more comfortable for some users, especially new ones, but it makes flowing through the tools much less streamlined for experienced users in my opinion.
Anyone else want to see the old structure return?
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Am I the only one finding this to be a step backwards?
No.
Anyone else want to see the old structure return?
Yes.
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Pretty well sums it up.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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You are not the only one. Working with this has been a challenge. I still have to go through all the menus to find what I want to do and then sometimes twice if I can't find the item the first time. What I used to be able to do in one click now takes multiple clicks to accomplish. It would be helpful if could organize the toolbar according to way I work instead of the categories that often confuse me.
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However, there are a number of users to prefer them and they have increased the discovery of features compared to the old style. I especially like the consolidation of the functions into the tool bar rather than split between to tool bar and panel menu. I am unhappy that "find" was left in the panel. I still forget which functions are considered "view" versus those considered "formatting." Despite the additional clicks, for me the new menu is faster.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I still think the new menu would be a 'nail in the coffin' for non-subscribers. Offering the customizable menus to subscribers, while forcing non-subscribers the current 'new' menu …. click-click-click. "Oh my … I can't take any longer …. pleaaaaaase let me subscribe!!"
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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My understanding was that @Robert Forlenza was primarily lamenting the loss of the 1-click on/off button on the old toolbar. I don't mind the new toolbar. If I could have the on/off button with a dropdown arrow next to it on the new toolbar as it was on the old toolbar I would be overjoyed. I don't want to go back, but I don't want the toolbar to remain as it is either. I want to move further forward.
pleaaaaaase let me subscribe!!
@DMB Does this mean there's still a chance that you'll become an "us"? Say it ain't so!
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The evil tool bar could merit funds to get rid of it (if per-chance it appeared, like Legion, and no pigs in sight). Logos Marketing: "Subscribe to not use our app mistakes!!".
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I'm a relatively new user. I used the older toolbar for 3-4 months before the new one was released. I love the discoverability of the new toolbar, and I would hate to go back.
That being said, I understand why it would be uncomfortable for users who have been using the old-style toolbar for years.0 -
like Legion, and no pigs in sight
Is this original? It's quite good.
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Original only due to one of the translations, translating 'Mob' instead of Legion. That was disappointing.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Well, I see in the recent beta, non-subscribers will soon be faced with … let me see… 'discoverability'. Luckily, I'm a non-updater.
No need to discover the steering wheel.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I would generously share a video to show you what you are missing, but months into enhanced "discoverability," I am still hunt and peck and give up. Oh for the leeks and garlics of yesterday.
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What do you mean?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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You're right … Factbook UI: "
- Non-subscribers now get the new UI, header, and Key article sections as subscribers. "
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Toolbar customizations like we have in MS Office would go a long way to help this. A favorites feature that allows users to add commonly used features would be great. Custom hotkeys would be nice as well!
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Are you conflating the Factbook UI which provides lenses with the resource toolbar? Otherwise, I still am still missing your point.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I understand the "discussion" about the menu. But could it be a matter of getting used to it? I remember when I first started using Excel… it was simple enough back then. But over the years the menu in Excel has become ..well… to the people new to Excel… it is overwhelming to say the least. To me, well, I'm use to it and it works for me. To some degree, I think any menu in any program that is trying to accomplish a lot of things, is going to be a bit overwhelming. It's the nature of the beast so to speak. No matter how it is programmed. The complexity of the program demands the "overwhelming" to some degree.
I thought there was too many clicks when I first got into the new menu… now after using it, well, I guess I'm used to it now and don't think about it.
So, could it be that some are just not used to the new menus? Just asking…. 😎
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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So, could it be that some are just not used to the new menus? Just asking…. 😎
You are just young and learn quickly 😎
I gripe sometimes and want to have my way right now! But you are right. At the end of the day I just click and do what I have to and don't think about it too much. I spend more time writing this message. But then it's my coffee break.
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