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Enoch?

Puddin’

I keep hearing about the Book of 1st Enoch. I realize that there’s multiple authors when we get into 2nd & 3rd Enoch, so I’m specifically asking about 1st Enoch.

I hasten to say that I realize that it has some historical value, but is there a work that solidly demonstrates (factually) why it isn’t canonical?

This is NOT to begin a discussion about the cannon inasmuch as I’m familiar with these issues—and I’m also aware of Wes Huff’s info. on this topic.

I’m also aware that Dr. Heiser spoke about it often & have listened to some of his discussions about it, but I keep seeing this subject bandied about on YouTube by non-scholars & just wanted to inquire (note: I do own a copy of Enoch so I’m not here to disparage it, just saying).

Just wondering if there’s anything in Logos that specifically addresses this topic?

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Graham Criddle

There is some information on this in the Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible

Lew Worthington

Graham beat me to the punch. I will add just a tiny thing.

You didn't ask specifically for this, but there's a lot of value for this book because of its influence on certain ideas in the early church. (It also reflects certain understandings even if it didn't create those understandings.) Two such topics are apocalyptic thought and angelology. I used to have my students read portions just to get a sense of those ideas.

It was a great question.

DMB

I'm alway impressed not by Jude's quote text, but rather the preface to the quote. Your question should account for that preface?

DMM

I assume you have these?

https://www.logos.com/product/384339/a-companion-to-the-book-of-enoch-a-readers-commentary-vol-i-the-book-of-the-watchers

https://www.logos.com/product/384338/a-companion-to-the-book-of-enoch-a-readers-commentary-vol-ii-the-parables-of-enoch

https://www.logos.com/product/144076/reversing-hermon-enoch-the-watchers-and-the-forgotten-mission-of-jesus-christ

Also, though not Logos, Heiser's Bible college offers a 4 lecture course on 1 Enoch, taught by Matthew Halstead. Their courses are free.

https://catalog.awkngschooloftheology.com/courses/1-enoch

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Graham Criddle

There is some information on this in the Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible

Lew Worthington

Graham beat me to the punch. I will add just a tiny thing.

It was a great question.

DMB

I'm alway impressed not by Jude's quote text, but rather the preface to the quote. Your question should account for that preface?

DMM

I assume you have these?

https://www.logos.com/product/384339/a-companion-to-the-book-of-enoch-a-readers-commentary-vol-i-the-book-of-the-watchers

https://www.logos.com/product/384338/a-companion-to-the-book-of-enoch-a-readers-commentary-vol-ii-the-parables-of-enoch

https://www.logos.com/product/144076/reversing-hermon-enoch-the-watchers-and-the-forgotten-mission-of-jesus-christ

Also, though not Logos, Heiser's Bible college offers a 4 lecture course on 1 Enoch, taught by Matthew Halstead. Their courses are free.

https://catalog.awkngschooloftheology.com/courses/1-enoch

Puddin’

Okay—great, read every single post.

DMB—Yes, I agree that Jude’s preface definitely play a role in interpreting Enochian influence as I tend to point out when asked about this work. Good catch (as always😉)!

Thank you Graham & Lew for the suggestions & observations—excellent points.

DMM—I wasn’t aware of this course that you linked above, but I signed up & will be taking these courses ASAP as well as getting the resources suggested. Honestly makes me angry at myself that I haven’t done enough research on this work up until now🥴.

These suggestions are exactly why I come here. I was listening to someone pontificate about how this work was “intentionally excised” from the canon by Augustine & “lost” for hundreds of years—and I thought, “Hmmm, well I just so happen to know where to go for answers to this claim🤪!”

Thank you again.

Puddin’

Okay—great, read every single post.

DMB—Yes, I agree that Jude’s preface definitely play a role in interpreting Enochian influence as I tend to point out when asked about this work. Good catch (as always😉)!

Thank you Graham & Lew for the suggestions & observations—excellent points.

Oh, just thought of this, what about the Hermenia book on this topic—is this a good reference work for Enoch (they’re usually very meticulous)? Worth the money?

Thank you again.

Puddin’

Okay—great, read every single post.

DMB—Yes, I agree that Jude’s preface definitely play a role in interpreting Enochian influence as I tend to point out when asked about this work. Good catch (as always😉)!

Thank you Graham & Lew for the suggestions & observations—excellent points.

Thank you again.

NichtnurBibelleser

Smart Search pointed me to various resources (Verbum, German UI):

DMM

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1401033#Comment_1401033

You might also find this book very interesting.

https://www.logos.com/product/366971/the-unseen-realm-discovering-the-supernatural-world-of-the-bible

There's also 2 courses covering this on that website I linked before, also free.