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I'm glad for the clarification.  Much appreciated.

Great post, Dan, thank you. What an example of godly competition. And you've just proven a point that I think I'd made somewhere else which is that the mere mention of the names of those products is not a problem. It does not cause Search engines to drive more traffic to their sites or anything (which some of the other MVPs were claiming). If that were the case you wouldn't have so gleefully repeated them over and over in your post. [;)]

It's early morning here in Europe and I want to say Dan, you made my day. You just proved to me that, yes, you are a business company, but you are first of all Bible believing, God loving Christians. I feel very good, and even better now, about using of your product, by far the best Bible program on the market IMHO.

Just to add one little point, before we have all the Czech and Polish Bibles in Logos, Davar 3 icon will seat on my Logos toolbar to get an easy access to those Bibles as I study Logos.

Ok now that this is out and in the air is this the correct place to ask if logos4 has links that will allow me to access my wordsearch POSB comentaries. I've used both for years with LOGOS being my main application i would love to be able to access that data.  (espeacily  with Logos 4 faster search capaiblities). [:^)]

Jerry Bush said:

What about little ol' e-Sword?

Jerry

Yes, I thought of that one, too, along with any other free Bible software or smaller package like OLB. 

Nathan Madison said:

if logos4 has links that will allow me to access my wordsearch POSB comentaries

That currently isn't possible right now.

Ted Hans said:

Thanks Dan for the clarification though I did not need it, your previous post was clear to me. Some users went far beyond what you intended in your previous post on the same subject matter. Stifling appropriate conversation/inquiry on the forum when another software was mentioned which did not include promoting or linking to the product though their intentions were noble.

I have argued on three separate threads for the above (your clarification) as your intended meaning. Glad that this will lay to rest what in my view was a draconian application and interpretation of your previous post. Thanks again & good morning down here in the UK.

 

Ted

Yes Ted, you are right (as usually [:)] ). The way the regulations has been usually explained on the forum (not by Logos but by us, users) somehow did not go well together with all other very broadminded and gracious attitude of Bob and other people in Logos to anybody, even users who abused Logos verbally and have not acted fair to them. I am very glad we have heard that clarification from Dan. Now I feel much better about their attitude to the other Bible software companies than before. It's true "chesed" (steadfast love) attitude. As I understand "chesed" is that it is the attitude of a winner towards all others. Only those who are sure of their place in Christ (and I believe it applies to people in the Bible software companies also) can truly express chesed like David did in many occasions. I'll stop here before I start preaching... [:$]

LaRosa Johnson said:

Nathan Madison said:

if logos4 has links that will allow me to access my wordsearch POSB comentaries

That currently isn't possible right now.

Do you know something we haven't heard yet? It would be an interesting scenario to access Wordsearch/Bible Explorer resources through Logos. There are a few titles (i.e. Complete Biblical Library) that are exclusive to Wordsearch for a number of years.

This also reminds me of Bob Pritchett's survey last year when he polled users about what features they would like to see. One question was "How important is it to you for Logos to be able to use PDF documents?"

I would be tickled pink to use Logos to access EVERYTHING, regardless of it's format and orign. A web-based Logos should be able to do that if licensing agreements are not a problem.  It might be a "win-win" for all companies involved.

Matthew C Jones said:

Do you know something we haven't heard yet?

Little birdies tell me things... but I doubt any linking between WORDsearch & Logos will happen in the foreseeable future [:)]

Personally,  I agree with your comments.  However, if I were to mention the fact that I use other softwares, that doesn't mean I'm advertising them.  For example, my # 1 Bible software is Logos 4 and I don't have to state the reasons, they are very obvious - Logos is the best in the business.   My # 2 is WordSearch and I only have 3 reasons to use it: 1) They have lots of free books (e.g. from Hodge's commentaries to McGarvey's commentaries, etc.); 2) They have Dr. Rod Mattoon's Treasures from the Scriptures which are awesome and extremely practical for preaching through books of the Bible and 3) WordSearch has the complete John G. Butler's Analytical Bible Expositor, Following God Series, Biography Series and Studies on the Savior Series which are a magnificent help to preach expository sermons.  You put Mattoon's work together with Butler's and you could literally preach for several years using their material alone!!! Superb masterpieces!!! If Logos could manage to get this BRILLIANT resources on Logos 4 format, that would definitely make me a Logos 4 Exclusive user! [:D] And last but not least, my # 3 Bible software is e-sword because: 1) It's FREE (free is always good), 2) It has 20 Spanish translations and 3) you can create your own modules for free too.

Having said all of that, I still love Logos 4 and one of the things I'm looking forward to is for my personal book builder to be available in Logos 4.  I'm already able to see my sermons from the Sermon file in Logos 4, but having the PBB that will really help me get some of my own work to work with my favorite software.  Anyway, to all those reading this post, if you really want to invest in the most splendid tool for Bible study, make sure to stop by at www.logos.com and choose the package of your choice.  I recommend to go with Scholar's package or higher and take advantage of the Payment Plan option.  I guartee that you will never be disappointed! 

God bless!

We have several Special Interest Groups:
Anglican
Lutheran
Orthodox
Pentecostal & Charismatic
Reformed
Seventh-day Adventist
Verbum [Catholic] [Still missing its own Forum but the only one with a Blog]

Only the Verbum group has released a $50 package that allows FULL study of their Beliefs.

[The others are working on Special Interest Group Packages but they will have a hard time matching Verbum.]

Denise said:

I could never have done this in a STEP environment.

Why not?  I would assume that during the high point of STEP you might have had four STEP based programs and that each would have sold you a version of the NET file.  You still could have run all four programs open to the NET or even loaded all four files into any one of the four programs.

LaRosa Johnson said:

I think it's cool that all of these companies can work together in one way or another & that they all have the common goal of getting people to study the Word of God

I would like to see them work together in a greater way. I would like to see a common licensing arrangement, or better yet a common file format.

For example: I can go to the store and buy a movie on a DVD or a Blueray disc. I can take it home and insert it into my Blueray player. It does not matter which manufacturer I bought the player from, I can be confident that the disc will play. If I have a Sony player in my living room, and a Panasonic or an LG player in my bedroom, the disc will play in any and all of them.

With Bible software, I have the ESV Study Bible in Bibleworks. I have the NASB and the NLT in Laridian. I have other resources such as TDNT in Olivetree. And numerous resources in Logos.

If I want to view any of these resources on a different platform, I have to purchase them AGAIN. Some of these I have already paid for licenses 3 or 4 times, but still cannot view them anywhere at any time. If I want to read any of these resources on my Nook e-Reader, I have to pay for them over again.

The cost of Logos includes licenses for dozens of resources. But If I also buy another competing product, I have to repay those same license fees over again.

The individual companies that resell these licenses are competing with each other, and they make their profit margin either way. But the customer many times is paying for the same product over again. The customer loses, and until the customers demand change, this unfair system will continue to exist.

This is a crime being committed by the publishers, essentially charging the end user multiple times for the same product. And I know someone will argue against what I am saying here, that the license has restrictions that require you to pay again for A B or C reasons. That argument misses the whole point. The licensing scheme is part of the problem.

In the past, an attempt was made with a format called STEP, which seems to have disappeared from view. The format may have failed, but the idea behind it was good. You could pay for a license for a STEP resource once, and then view it in any software on any platform that supported STEP.

Bibleworks now has the ability to read some Wordsearch resources, which the purchaser can view in either program. This is a step in the right direction for the customer. The question is, will other companies join an effort like this and support it, or continue business as usual and hope that it goes away like STEP did. My guess is the latter, because doing what is right for the customer usually takes a back seat to the bottom line.

Randy W. Sims said:

Denise said:

I notice Oaktree updated their Windows page yesterday, with the release on-track for September.  I'm thinking to maybe get the NET Bible.

The Windows port is looking pretty good. It is F.A.S.T. I really, really wish Logos would spend a few cycles working on optimization & polish.

As a long time mac Accordance user I can say it's speed is one of the things i value most about it. It is also generally pretty stable… Version 10 seems to have brought some interesting glitches but I am sure those bugs will get squashed soon. Logos 5 mac seems pretty stable but it does feel very bloated and less responsive than I would like. That being said it is a improvement over 4 and I realize that Logos has to get things working perfectly before they can work too hard on optimization.

-Dan

Denise said:

David ... I was only demonstrating the nuttiness of the present situation buying 4 copies plus a free changable one. STEP would have only required a single purchase.

Ok. Now I understand.  One of the reasons that STEP died is that it allowed the use of the file under more then one program.  The publishers want their cut for every reader program we use.  Logos is cutting a lot of red tape. [And some of the STEP readers let one copy and paste formats]