Passage in all versions

Ted Hans
Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Hi All,

              How do one run a passage in all versions in V4? Under search, Bible search, if i type the reference John 3:16 & set it to search in all version, all passages. It runs a search but no result. Am i missing something. I can do this easily in V3. Thanks.

Ted.

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  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    I haven't a clue.  I was searching for this same thing the other day.  All I found was compare pericope and the version river, and that didn't seem to be all of them.

     

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭

    You can use the Text Comparison tool for that.  It does the work of Passage in All Versions, Parallel Bible Versions, and Compare Parallel Bible Versions from v3.

    Just select the versions that you want or create a collection with the versions you want, and select it.  Also, deselect the Show Differences "A" on the window.  And you get this:

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  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

    One way would be to use the "compare versions" feature. I put it on a tool bar short cut.

    go to your passage. click "compare versions" either type in the versions or use a collection; in my case it was "all english bibles"

     

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    Robert Pavich

    For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,834

    And if you tell 4.0 to open this tab in a floating window you can align the verses in horizontal rows or vertical columns and do a number of other things to compare the texts.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭

    BTW, there's not an easy way to identify all the English bibles in the library. 

    I tried "type:bible AND lang:english" but that gives a lot of spurious hits like NA26 and "Novum Testamentum Graece, Varia Lectio (Tischendorf)" and Septuaginta, plus a lot of commentary-provided translations.

    I have two English Bibles collections: a small one of primary bibles that was built manually, and a second one where I added a tag to all the bibles I want to be considered English Bibles, and built the collection to included all the books with that tag.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭

    And if you tell 4.0 to open this tab in a floating window you can align the verses in horizontal rows or vertical columns and do a number of other things to compare the texts.

    It doesn't have to be a floating window, however you do get a fixed width window if you open it without telling it where to go.  If you want horizontal, you can also drag it around the main window to a more appropriate place.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

    todd,

    here is my list:

     

    type:bible lang:english -message -paul's - noteless -readers

     

    that took care of all and I excluded the message, the NET noteless bible, the NIVR, the "St Paul's epistles" series.

     

    I had no greek bibles included automatically

     

    I use this collection for a LOT of things.

    Robert Pavich

    For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Thank you all.

    Robert Pavich, Todd Phillips, Dave Hooton & Philip Spitzer do you guys work for Logos & actually involved in the design of V4? You guys know a lot about V4, how come!

    Ted.


     

     

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  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

    Lol...

    We don't have a life. At least I don't.

     

    And i pay a lot of attention to: Dave HootOn Todd Philips, and Phil Spitzer!

    Robert Pavich

    For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭

    todd,

    here is my list:

     

    type:bible lang:english -message -paul's - noteless -readers

     

    that took care of all and I excluded the message, the NET noteless bible, the NIVR, the "St Paul's epistles" series.

     

    I had no greek bibles included automatically

     

    I use this collection for a LOT of things.

    yeah, the reason I went with tags is because I can browse the list in the library with "mytag:englishbible", and I can't browse a Collection in the Library window.  I wish we could.

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭

    Ted Hans said:

    Robert Pavich, Todd Phillips, Dave Hooton & Philip Spitzer do you guys work for Logos & actually involved in the design of V4? You guys know a lot about V4, how come!

    No, we're just nerds. [8-|]

     

    MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540

  • spitzerpl
    spitzerpl Member Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭

    Ted Hans said:

    Thank you all.

    Robert Pavich, Todd Phillips, Dave Hooton & Philip Spitzer do you guys work for Logos & actually involved in the design of V4? You guys know a lot about V4, how come!

    Ted.

    Yes, but I'm still waiting for my first paycheck.

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    Philip, et al.  you will be paid with a free crossgrade to L4 based upon your current base package (yay scholars gold!)

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • spitzerpl
    spitzerpl Member Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭

    tcblack said:

    Philip, et al.  you will be paid with a free crossgrade to L4 based upon your current base package (yay scholars gold!)

    The truth is, I probably would have shot them $20 to be a part of the beta program...shhhh...don't tell Bob.

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    LOL [:D]  Yeah well I don't know Philip, I can crash programs for free, but I rarely pay to crash them. 

    Don't worry though, I won't tell Bob.

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Melissa Snyder
    Melissa Snyder Member Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭

    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa

  • Ebbe Andréasson
    Ebbe Andréasson Member Posts: 720 ✭✭

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    This is a great tip if You use english keyboard layout but else not.[:(]

    (I have to press twice to get `. First press shift+` and then space (or a letter) to get this tick mark to show up if typing in an document.)

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174


    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa


    Thanks for the info.

    Ted

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  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭
  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,195

    Ted Hans said:

    Robert Pavich, Todd Phillips, Dave Hooton & Philip Spitzer do you guys work for Logos & actually involved in the design of V4? You guys know a lot about V4, how come!

    I'm 10-15 hours ahead of these guys which is why I'm always last to post!

    I just get involved, but a previous Phil ended up working for Logos[:)]

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,834

    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa

    Is this documented in the help file anywhere? It's a nice feature.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭


    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa


    That's incredible, Melissa!   *smile*   Thanks for sharing it.

    ........Mel

    Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

  • Melissa Snyder
    Melissa Snyder Member Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭


    Is this documented in the help file anywhere? It's a nice feature.


    It's not in the current Help file. Several keyboard shortcuts have been added to the list, along with a few other revisions, and that updated Help resource will be available soon. A few topics will still be 'under construction', but by the time beta testing is complete, it will cover all functions available at that time.

  • Ebbe Andréasson
    Ebbe Andréasson Member Posts: 720 ✭✭

    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa

    Bohuslav,

    Can You do this with Your keyboard layout?

  • Ian McAsey
    Ian McAsey Member Posts: 173 ✭✭

     


    Bohuslav,

    Can You do this with Your keyboard layout?

    I use a UK keyboard and there is a "#" under the "~" on mine.

    I can't check yet because L4 has just performed another download / install and is indexing again!

    I think we in Europe have a subtly different keyboard layout with the various punctuations being on different keys. Have you ever tried a French Keyboard - its WILD!!

  • Ebbe Andréasson
    Ebbe Andréasson Member Posts: 720 ✭✭

    IanMcAsey said:

    I think we in Europe have a subtly different keyboard layout with the various punctuations being on different keys.

    Thats why I think it's important and would be great to find key combinations which will work independent of keyboard layouts.

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    Thats why I think it's important and would be great to find key combinations which will work independent of keyboard layouts.

    Like for instance the F# keys?  Aren't they pretty much global?

    Let's see F1 is taken for help, F3 for search the rest are open, plus you have the ALT and CTRL keys to modify... the possibilities are endless.

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Bug:

    1. I've got John 3:16 open in NASB and 1 John 4:10 open in esv.  They are side by side.
    2. Highlight John 3:16 and press the keys it works.
    3. Click into ESV and highlight my verse hit the keys and it doesn't work, I get the system sound (bong).
    4. Click back into NASB and try again, nope doesn't work (bong).
    5. In fact unless I click in, scroll a line or two up and down and then try again it will not work.  And sometimes not even then.

    It's very touchy, I can't exactly figure out when it will and won't work.

     

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Melissa Snyder
    Melissa Snyder Member Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭

    tcblack said:


    It's very touchy, I can't exactly figure out when it will and won't work.

    I can't reproduce this. Perhaps try slowing the process down, just to see what might be happening to cause it. You may want to experiment with the Repeat Rate for Keyboard Properties in Control Panel.

    Melissa

  • Robert Pavich
    Robert Pavich Member Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭

    Thomas,

    it worked fine for me using the same resources you mentioned and the same passage.

    Robert Pavich

    For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    Well now I can't reproduce it either.  Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that I'd had it open for something around 24 hours?  I'll pay attention next time I run into it.

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Charlene
    Charlene Member Posts: 548 ✭✭


    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Thanks, Melissa, for the tip. When I do it, however, I only get the top 3 prioritized Bibles, not five. Why is that?

    Charlene

    Charlene

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    tcblack said:

    Let's see F1 is taken for help, F3 for search the rest are open, plus you have the ALT and CTRL keys to modify

    Don't forget F8 is drawing mode, and F11 is reading mode.

    CTRL-F4 closes a pane; Alt-F4 closes a Window/program.

    F10 makes a menu active. In L4 it usually activates the "Home Page"
    button. Press F10 and Enter and the Home page appears ( doesn't seem
    consistent and I don't know why anyone would want to do this.)

    There are probably a few other not-yet documented/implemented function key combos present, or on the way.

    BTW, F3 doesn't enter search mode in L4 (at least not for me), it will only find the next instance of a current search.

    Used as Windows conventions, but apparently not implemented in L4:

    F5 refreshes the screen in almost all browsers and some programs.

    CTRL-F6 is used by most Windows programs to switch the active pane in the current program.

    So the possibilities aren't endless, but there should be some combination that would work and could be assigned to a function key for this simple operation.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • TCBlack
    TCBlack Member Posts: 10,980 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Rich,

    There's a few I didn't know about!  F10 does the menu?  Cool!

    But you also demonstrate the point, there's so much of the function keys unused, and yet for some reason software developers seldom attempt to use them. 

    To summarize

    F1 = help | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F2 = | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F3 = Next search result | (+Ctrl = prior search result) | (+alt= )

    F4 =    | (+ctrl = close pane) | (+alt = close program)

    F5 = refresh | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F6 = | (+Ctrl = switch active pane)

    F7 = | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F8 = Draw | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F9 = | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F10 =menu | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F11 = reading mode | (+modifiers = nothing)

    F12 = | (+modifiers = nothing)

    Modifiers can be CTRL / ALT / SHFT / CTRL+ALT / SHFT+CTRL / SHF+ALT / CTRL+ALT+SHFT  That means every key has 8 possibilities X12 keys = 96 itterations.

    Not quite endless as you said, but still that's pretty impressive, and most softwares don't ship with near 100 keyboard shortcuts. 

    Best part IMHO is that a simple template can be printed out and cut to be placed over the F keys to quickly demonstrate all the shortcuts. Remember when that used to happen all the time?

    Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    tcblack said:

    Not quite endless as you said, but still that's pretty impressive, and most softwares don't ship with near 100 keyboard shortcuts.

    [mount shaky soap box]]Unless you use WordPerfect, [;)] which has been exploiting all of these (and making them able to be fully remapped by the user) since MS-DOS days. [/mount shaky soap box]

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • J.R. Miller
    J.R. Miller Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭

    tcblack said:

    Best part IMHO is that a simple template can be printed out and cut to be placed over the F keys to quickly demonstrate all the shortcuts. Remember when that used to happen all the time?

    I remember those days.  I remember in having 4 or five templates and each was used when working a different program.

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  • Ed
    Ed Member Posts: 99 ✭✭

    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa

    With Alt+` or Text Comparison I only show four Bibles even though I have many more prioritized. Any idea why?

     

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  • Melissa Snyder
    Melissa Snyder Member Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭

    Ed Jent said:


    With Alt+` or Text Comparison I only show four Bibles even though I have many more prioritized. Any idea why?

    The Text Comparison tool will display only the Bibles you've entered in the Reference box. You can add to the list by typing the Bible names or abbreviations with commas inbetween.

    The Alt+` keyboard shortcut will display up to five Bibles, beginning with the Bible that is open in the active panel, then by priority.

    Melissa

  • Damian McGrath
    Damian McGrath Member Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭

    Used as Windows conventions, but apparently not implemented in L4:

    F5 refreshes the screen in almost all browsers and some programs.

    In L4, F5 does refresh the home page. Don't like the book of the day? hit F5.....

  • Ebbe Andréasson
    Ebbe Andréasson Member Posts: 720 ✭✭

    Hi Ted, and others ~

    You can also do a quick compare of the current reference with your top five prioritized Bibles by pressing Alt+` (that's the tick mark below tilde(~). If you select a passage with multiple verses and press Alt+`, all the verses will be compared and displayed, along with a scrollbar on the right if necessary.

    Melissa

    Not until today I realize this keyboard shortcut is replaced by F7 key. Thank you Logos for listening every time and trying to do your very best in all situations.

    You made an great app!!! [W] [^] [Y] [:D]

  • Ebbe Andréasson
    Ebbe Andréasson Member Posts: 720 ✭✭

    Wilted Flower

    I realy hope this flower look like this "by design" and not is begun to wither. [:$]

    You are worthy fresh flowers!