Libronix for Linux

Since Libronix has made a Mac version (which is a type of UNIX), is it compatible with the various Linux distributions?

I
grew very tired with Microsoft Windows crashing on me, and I started
using Linux (Debian) and was delighted to see its speed and reliability.

Although
I wish software publishers would have continued some of their excellent
programs - like WordPerfect for Linux Console - I yearn for the days of
fast console (screen) programs from the days before Windows and the
huge slow files needed to run them.

I have several thousand dollars invested in Logos Books - but I can no longer read them.

Is there any work being done either to allow WINE or CrossoverOffice to run the Windows version of Libronix?

Is there any work being done on recompiling the MAC version of Libronix for use on Linux?

I
understand one of the problems with Libronix is that it uses Internet
Explorer files - I find that program too slow and buggy. I'm using
Google Chrome and I recommend Google Chromium Browser to Windows users
- it is greased lightning.

I remember years ago that Logos 2.0
worked in Windows - could this program be compiled to produce a console
version of Logos so that Linux users could once again access their
library?

Or perhaps a universal access where by our purchases
Logos holds both our books on a server and we could log in and access
our books?

This would be wonderful - a new device - portable
computer is being sold for $50.00 called ZipIt. Missionaries could
purchase many of these, use them in their schools, and use them for
Bible education. They would need a portable sat-com downlink (not too
expensive these days) or a WiFi network with a file server running
locally. Linux has fantastic file server programs. This particular
computer has been running continuously for two years and updates
continuously.

Is one of these suggestions in the works?

Or if not, is there any other programs that are being sold that will open my Logos books?

Or lastly, if there aren't any programs to open my Logos books, does anyone have any recommendations on a Bible program that is good for research that will run on Linux.

Thanks in advance for your assistance and suggestions,

David

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J.R. Miller

I have several thousand dollars invested in Logos Books - but I can no longer read them.

You can still use them, you just chose not to.

BTW, my dad still loves 8-track music players and things there better than CD's... seriously, he does.

David J. Ring, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17843#Comment_17843

I don't have a computer with Windows on it. I don't want to buy a Windows computer just to run ONE program.

It is a stretch to say it's a choice.

Can I load the books and the Libronix program on a USB key and somehow open the books using the computer at the Library?

Be well,

David

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17845#Comment_17845

I don't have a computer with Windows on it. I don't want to buy a Windows computer just to run ONE program.

It is a stretch to say it's a choice.

Can I load the books and the Libronix program on a USB key and somehow open the books using the computer at the Library?

Be well,

David

David

You can purchase an emulator which will allow you to run Windows on a Linux machine. I personally use VMWare Fusion on a Mac, but they don't appear to have a Linux version. However, Parallels does have a Linux version at http://www.parallels.com/consumers/ I do not know of any other way to run Logos on a Linux OS. Of course, you will still need a Windows OS., but this will give you access to your Logos resources. Otherwise, it is your choice to not use your Logos resources.

Jack

Todd Phillips

Here's the Linux discussion thread in case you want to read the past discussion.

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/121.aspx

I recommend that you dual-boot.

Doug Horst

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17954#Comment_17954

I have been running Windows XP under Sun's Virtualbox on Ubuntu for almost two years. I have one virtual machine just for logos and another one for financial software I need for supporting my job. It works well.

I tried vmware on this machine and in a major installation for a while and prefer virtualbox (available free). I can cut and paste between the virtual machine and my linux host without problem.

I rarely boot up into windows native.

Donovan R. Palmer

Since Libronix has made a Mac version (which is a type of UNIX), is it compatible with the various Linux distributions?

I
grew very tired with Microsoft Windows crashing on me, and I started
using Linux (Debian) and was delighted to see its speed and reliability.

Although
I wish software publishers would have continued some of their excellent
programs - like WordPerfect for Linux Console - I yearn for the days of
fast console (screen) programs from the days before Windows and the
huge slow files needed to run them.

I have several thousand dollars invested in Logos Books - but I can no longer read them.

Is there any work being done either to allow WINE or CrossoverOffice to run the Windows version of Libronix?

Someone has already given you a link to a very long thread about Linux elsewhere on these forums. The only thing I could add is that at this stage, the only way I see Logos working on Linux is that a group of volunteer programmers form an open source project team to get it to run under WINE or something. Its doable, but it needs people who have the right expertise with the commitment to do it. I would be curious how many regular visitors to this forum have the skills to do something like this? I don't sadly, but if I did, it would be an interesting project.

Donovan R. Palmer

Oh, here's one link to someone who at least had Logos partially working on Linux...so it's doable, but how functional it is, I don't know. I bet it has problems.

http://blog.higherthings.org/borghardt/article/2286.html

It appears in reading about the issues of running Logos under WINE are mostly associated with Logos' dependency on Internet Explorer. There has been indication that Logos v.4 will have a different architecture and if this is the case, it just "might" be easier to get to run under WINE or Crossover. The other reason moving to another architecture is desirable is the issue of speed of rendering search results (which has been talked about on these forums before)

Benjamin Bryan

I
grew very tired with Microsoft Windows crashing on me, and I started
using Linux (Debian) and was delighted to see its speed and reliability.

Have you tried Windows 7?

I have used Windows 98/XP/7, OSX, Linux (RedHat, Gentoo, Ubuntu), and even FreeBSD (which OSX's kernel is based on) as my primary desktop at some point or another and they all have their advantages. Windows 7 RC is very stable and I've been using it as my primary OS on my work notebook since it came out. I would give it a try before you give up on Microsoft.

David J. Ring, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18158#Comment_18158

Windows 7 RC is very stable. But what will happen when lots of programs are installed? Has Windows given up what they used to allow - the modification of Microsoft Dynamic Link Libraries (dll's) by newly installed programs? That's usually when when you had a lot of programs on your computer it would eventually crash. I have no such problem with Linux, plus after you install a Linux distribution you actually have a system that you can do something with besides web browse and email.

Why doesn't Logos / Libronix just have a team work on getting their program working on WINE? They have all the tools needed in house - except those perhaps that Microsoft won't release about their development package that they use to make Logos.work under Linux.

After using Linux for several years, I can do much more with this operating system and more reliabily.

Plus now there's the Zipit $50 netbook that can run under Linux. The $50 Netbook - Yes I Am Completely Serious

Sorry about the large font. I don't know how to change the size.

But if I were a missionary in a remote area, I'd take Linux rather than Windows - it just works better and much faster without any problems.

I only have the one program that I want to access. I hope Logos is thinking about Cloud Computing - that will make access platform independent. Also with today's fast machines, Java programs, or Ruby or Perl or other language that's platform independent.

I really do miss DOS programs - just a screen - no distractions! There were add-ons that let you cut and paste between programs... ... but times have changed - and the operating systems move onward. In fact I kind of like Logos 2.0 a lot too. :-)

David

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18173#Comment_18173

Windows 7 RC is very stable. But what will happen when lots of programs are installed? Has Windows given up what they used to allow - the modification of Microsoft Dynamic Link Libraries (dll's) by newly installed programs?

I used DOS --> Windows machines of all variants for many years and came to the following conclusions:

1. Security, though greatly improved, has always lagged behind with Windows machines and technology. I got fed up having to run tonnes of programmes to plug holes in Windows.

2. Maybe W7 will be the panacea that we have been looking for, but the speed and efficiency gains on new hardware were always disappointing. Particularly when you had to tie up processing power to run applications to solve point number one.

3. Bloat has been a very, very big problem. The problem with this bloat is that things sometimes break other things in Windows. This can happen with any operating system and I tend to have a "bare bones" philosophy...keep it lean and mean, not running one thing you don't have to, but it has always been particularly bad to try to do this with Windows.

I am a big fan of POSIX type operating systems, including Linux, FreeBSD and OSX because in 'general' they are more advanced in these areas.

The trouble is Linux and FreeBSD are some way from being mainstream and thereby not viable for most businesses to develop software for. The most recent stats show that 1% of desktop computing is on Linux.

The compromise is to go OSX which is 5-10% of the general market (though probably higher amongst academics versus enterprise computing). The good thing about this is that with OSX you remove another variable in software development. With Windows you have to set up the architecture for a million possible combinations of hardware. At least with OSX, you narrow the field considerably so developers generally know exactly what kind of video card they are going to be dealing with, etc.

If OSX is unattractive, the remaining option is the 90% of the market which is Windows. Not ideal, but a lot more profitable and you get scale of economy many different ways.

Personally, I don't really care what people want to use. If I am asked, my recommendation is OSX these days until other POSIX type operating systems become more commonly used at the desktop. I think Google is looking to develop their own OS as well, so who knows what things will be like in 10 years from now?

David J. Ring, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18181#Comment_18181

Thanks to all for your thoughtful replies.

I think I will make another post with a suggestion that "Libronix for Linux" be added as a Prepub to determine profitibility.

Linux is so much more stable and faster than even Windows 7 and it gives me complete control via the console if things aren't working.

If Mr. Bob P approves this idea - and hopefully announces it via the Logos email announce list - I hope that you'll sign up.

I'm sure that if Mr. Bob P sees that there are a surprisingly large amount of users that he can justify development of this with a native working version of Libronix or at least one that works via WINE.

I'm hoping and praying for a native version - I'm sure that Windows users after seeing how quickly Linux LOGOS works, they will convert. :-)

Wishing everyone well,

David Ring

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19197#Comment_19197

I'm hoping and praying for a native version - I'm sure that Windows users after seeing how quickly Linux LOGOS works, they will convert. :-)

Speed is not the only issue. Logos for Mac is pretty fast, but unless you are willing to settle for an ebook reader for a large electronic library (and most users of Bible software aren't), then the thing that users will press for will be features. Logos for Mac has been in development for years and 1.2.2 still lacks a lot of functionality to its windows counterpart.

At least v. 3 (windows) depends on IE and the Mac version depends on Webkit. I have no clue what you would need for Linux. That said, version 4 is supposed to be a different architecture, so whether or not this is easily accessible in Linux, only the developers know.

Mike W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19197#Comment_19197

Thanks to all for your thoughtful replies.

I think I will make another post with a suggestion that "Libronix for Linux" be added as a Prepub to determine profitibility.

Linux is so much more stable and faster than even Windows 7 and it gives me complete control via the console if things aren't working.

If Mr. Bob P approves this idea - and hopefully announces it via the Logos email announce list - I hope that you'll sign up.

I'm sure that if Mr. Bob P sees that there are a surprisingly large amount of users that he can justify development of this with a native working version of Libronix or at least one that works via WINE.

I'm hoping and praying for a native version - I'm sure that Windows users after seeing how quickly Linux LOGOS works, they will convert. :-)

Wishing everyone well,

David Ring

I used Linux for several years (starting with the .7 beta release [:)]) but haven't looked at it in about two years. I currently use Vista with no problems. For Linux there was always the question of which distribution programs were written for (installation had to be modified for diffences in file locations). Is this still a consideration for commercial programs on Linux ?

G. Allen Gunn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19231#Comment_19231

I, too, am a Libronix user who has been greatly impressed with Ubuntu Linux. Libronix is my one reason for not switching to Ubuntu as my main OS. With Ubuntu, I think that Linux has finally moved into the end-user's world. But, since Logos makes money, not on the Libronix engine, but on the resources, I doubt that it would make any sense for Logos to invest heavily in supporting a new OS until there are many, many users of that system. I suspect it will be quite awhile (if ever) before Logos considers engineering a Linux Libronix.

Michael Scoggins

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/17845#Comment_17845

yes you can run libronix on a usb key with mojopac (mojopac.com) The only caveats is it only works with Win XP. The software is free and I have tried it with a huge resource library (<2GB) and it does truly work. Imagine having your libronix on a USB key and plugging it in to a freinds computer or taking it to the office. But in your case how do you get it on the usb device 1st? You need to do this from windows.

Josué Pineda

Try using Pinguy OS, this is an awesome Ubuntu variant, ready for almost any Windows app.

[<:o)]

David J. Ring, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/262373#Comment_262373

Pinguy is just Ubuntu Linux variant. Any Linux can have Windows apps with WINE. The problem is and has been that WINE does not run Logos.

So we are back to square one. I looked into Mojo pack - but it seems any computer it works with must be Windows XP - which also defeats the point.

Windows on a USB stick would solve the problem but no one has done this yet.

Hopefully a cloud version of Logos will be produced.

David

Carlos Silva

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/267416#Comment_267416

I think I started this very same discussion back in 2003, the answer I got back then, still have the official response from Libronix, not only no, but not until you know where freezes over will we do a Linux version. That is of course paraphrasing a little bit.

So don't hold your breath it's not going to happen, official Libronix stance, not just my words.

So as was suggested and which I have been suggesting for a very long time, use a visualiser, Virtual Box is awesome. Windows will run better than it does natively and you will have all the benefits of the Linux system.

Libronix is a M$ company, from what I understand could be totally wrong, but the founder has some deep M$ ties, and if your whole company is structured around profitability the predominant desktop OS is Windows so that's where your maximum profits are going to be so therefore thats where your market target is going to be.

So until Linux is at the top of the heap it will be out of the development cycle for Libronix !!!!

David J. Ring, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286684#Comment_286684

Hello Carlos,

Yes, "Virtual Box" is an answer and it works much better than Windows running alone. I have Windows XP installed inside Linux Ubuntu and I use it for running Logos.

I wouldn't mind Logos in the Cloud either - but it does make it difficult to access material I have bought when I'm not around Internet access.

Linux is mature, stable, and it does much more than my Windows 7 computer is able to. I can combine two mp3 files simply by going to console or terminal and typing: cat 1.mp3 2.mp3 3.mp3 > full_show.mp3 and it does it in a half second.

If Windows did this, I'd run Windows. I have just purchased Abbyy Fine Reader OCR for Linux at $200 and except for Logos and Dragon Naturally Speaking, I have absolutely no need for Windows. Abbyy OCR is excellent. I'll pay for Logos too, but it isn't being offered.

David

Courtier J. Stephens

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/286684#Comment_286684

I apologize for not being "techie" for Linux. A friend of mine changed my netbook from Windows to Linux (while he had it), and now I have got it back... I have Libronix and Logos 5, and now am very disappointed because although I downloaded Virtual Box... I don't know what to do next because I'm not familiar with Linux AT ALL...*tear tear* I have Unbutu 13.10 version...

I just want SOMETHING to work! I love my netbook!

...and YES, for the sake of NOT beating a dead horse, I have another Window based laptop, Android phones, blah blah... I want it on this netbook

David J. Ring, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/554232#Comment_554232

Get your Windows CD or DVD, run virtual box, search with google or virtual box help file or wiki to set the settings, the details work but you must pass through all devices like the DVD drive and networking so you can register Logos and download books.

Put your Windows disk, install Windows as you would normally, including any reboots and registrations.

It's very simple, only thing that takes time is installing Windows.

When you want to run Windows, run virtual box, select the Windows system and start. Be sure to note the keyboard keys you need to press to get out of Windows, that's important and you can switch between Linux and Windows using those keys and your mouse.

Linux is far better than Windows, but for now Virtual Box (or other) is the solution.

David

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/554232#Comment_554232

I want it on this netbook

Wonder about using linux netbook to remotely run Libronix and Logos 5 on your other Windows laptop ?

=> http://www.7tutorials.com/connecting-windows-remote-desktop-ubuntu

Curious about netbook hardware ? CPU, Ram, Storage capacity ?

Keep Smiling [:)]