Sympathetic Highlighting

When you have two Bibles open, both of which have a reverse interlinear (or which are fully-tagged Greek and Hebrew texts), you can select a word or phrase in one Bible and see it highlighted in the parallel text. We call this "Sympathetic Highlighting".

I think it's very cool, though it can slow down performance during selection on slower machines. So we've added it as a visual filter that you can turn off on the destination Bible.

Is this something you want to turn on/off? Only on one Bible, or is it more of an all-on/all-off type feature? Why would you turn it off? Annoying, or slow? Can we move it to Program Settings, or should we leave it as a per-panel Visual Filter, controlled by the "three lenses" button on the resource toolbar?

Thanks!

-- Bob

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TCBlack

Good question Bob,

I really like the feature. I thought it was a neat toy when I first saw it but I'm starting to glance at the next tab automatically when I highlight something now.

Personally I'd rather have it all on/all off (but I'll leave it all on). I really don't see a reason to turn it off, but if it sucks power out of slower computers than having it as an option to turn off is great. I'm always in favor of more power! (insert manly grunt here.)

Location for the setting:

I'm used to it being in the venn diagram / Trinity Symbol/ Borromean rings. However if you make it an all on/off feature than naturally you'll want to move it to the program settings.

My vote: program settings as one all on/all off feature. (Right next to that snazzy new "use Red-Letter Yes/no" feature.)

Ken McGuire

I would think that a global setting would work. The only concern I would have would be possible user confusion about what visual filters are turned off where.

Trey Selman

It is very cool! And a great tool - Thank you.

I would like to be able to turn it on/off.

I would turn it off because I don't want it to show in certain situations and because it can be slow.

I am thinking I like it just where it is (three lenses button), It is much easier to get to and can be turned on and off quickly - as needed during interaction with the text.

I see that it can be a program setting type setting, but I like the ability to set it quickly from the drop down menu.

Mitch Davis

Can we move it to Program Settings, or should we leave it as a per-panel Visual Filter, controlled by the "three lenses" button on the resource toolbar?

Bob,

I like it where it is (the three lenses). It is much quicker to "find" this feature (for new users) and get to it as needed. If the three lenses will become unruly due to so many filters, then I get see the reason to place it in the Program Settings.

P.S. - Thanks for such an amazing product. I am privileged to be testing it.

Rich DeRuiter

When you have two Bibles open, both of which have a reverse interlinear (or which are fully-tagged Greek and Hebrew texts), you can select a word or phrase in one Bible and see it highlighted in the parallel text. We call this "Sympathetic Highlighting".

At first I could get this to work. The I realized I had to select text (not just click on it so that it's highlighted) in one version to see the sympathetic highlighting in the other.

BUG:

As I was playing around with this I noticed a funny thing between the LEB and the ESV in Eph 5:18. It all works fine until you get to 'dissipation' (LEB) or 'debauchery' (ESV). The highlighting falls behind in ESV (or jumps ahead in LEB). Once you get to verse 19, the problem resolves. The problem seems to be with the ESV as this problem occurs between other rev int's and the ESV, but not between other rev int's. I haven't played around with this enough to know whether this is a problem in other places. (I do notice, curiously, that all rev int's refer to the same underlying Greek text, which makes the problem seem even stranger.)

Rick Brannan (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19097#Comment_19097

(I do notice, curiously, that all rev int's refer to the same underlying Greek text, which makes the problem seem even stranger.)

Are you talking about Eph 5.18, or underlying Greek texts in general? The ESVNT uses a slightly different Greek text (a text all its own). There are just over 100 differences between it and the UBS/NA text. NASBNT, NRSVNT and LEBNT are all NA27 based.

The AV1873NT (KJV), NKJVNT and RVR60NT (Spanish) use a TR-based text, Scrivener, as the base. Where the Greek texts use the same words, sympathetic highlighting should work across versions; if there are variations then the highlighting may have some holes.

- Rick

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19103#Comment_19103

Are you talking about Eph 5.18, or underlying Greek texts in general?

I was only talking about what I saw. The underlying Greek texts in the rev int's appear identical at this verse. Clicking on 'dissipation' in the LEB and 'debauchery' in the ESV show the same underlying text. But the sympathetic highlighting is off by one word here. Selecting 'is' in the LEB, selects 'that' in the ESV (this is actually where the disjunction of sympathetic highlighting starts). Selecting 'dissipation' in the LEB highlights 'is' in the ESV. Selecting the next word 'but' in the LEB, highlights 'debauchery' in the ESV. This continues (the ESV is one word behind other rev int's) until we get to verse 19, where they sync up again.

It looks to me like 'for that' in the ESV does not line up in the rev int ribbon as the other rev int's do. "for that" lines up with εν [en], but nothing is connected with ὧ [ho], unlike the other rev int's that split this phrase over both Greek words. Hence the unsympathetic highlighting.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19106#Comment_19106

It looks to me like 'for that' in the ESV does not line up in the rev int ribbon as the other rev int's do.

The problem becomes evident when LGNTI is the sympathetic Greek text.

ESV debauchery highlights LGNTI but; ESV is highlights dissipation in LGNTI

Dave Hooton

Is this something you want to turn on/off? Only on one Bible, or is it more of an all-on/all-off type feature? Why would you turn it off? Annoying, or slow? Can we move it to Program Settings, or should we leave it as a per-panel Visual Filter, controlled by the "three lenses" button on the resource toolbar?

I haven't found it annoying or slow, so leave it as a per-panel choice.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19128#Comment_19128

It looks to me like 'for that' in the ESV does not line up in the rev int ribbon as the other rev int's do.

The problem becomes evident when LGNTI is the sympathetic Greek text.

ESV debauchery highlights LGNTI but; ESV is highlights dissipation in LGNTI

I can't reproduce either of these problems, so it's probably already been fixed in either (a) updated code or (b) updated resources, both of which will become available to you with Beta 7.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19106#Comment_19106

It looks to me like 'for that' in the ESV does not line up in the rev int ribbon as the other rev int's do.

"for that" in the ESV is an idiom (italicised in the reverse interlinear pane), so this is a known issue in Beta 6: Reverse Interlinear alignment is incorrect for text in a verse following an idiom.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19151#Comment_19151

"for that" in the ESV is an idiom (italicised in the reverse interlinear pane), so this is a known issue in Beta 6: Reverse Interlinear alignment is incorrect for text in a verse following an idiom.

Aha! I hadn't noticed that known issue on the list before (not that I looked for it). Makes sense. Glad it's resolved, although it's not a big deal to me.I don't seem myself using sympathetic highlighting much, unless I could do it from our primary worship Bible (the NIV).

So, let me change the subject. Is there any talk of an NIV Rev Int, now that Zondervan is partnering with Logos on some other things?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19129#Comment_19129

I haven't found it annoying or slow, so leave it as a per-panel choice.

Can I change my mind ...

On my 5 year old desktop Athlon 2.16 GHz machine (Windows 7 RC) it is annoying and slow! I imagine Netbooks might find the same. So I'll go for a global control...

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19178#Comment_19178

On my 5 year old desktop Athlon 2.16 GHz machine (Windows 7 RC) it is annoying and slow!

OFF TOPIC: Dave, Mine is about 3 years old, but benefited incredibly from maxing out my system RAM (to 4GB) Check out crucial.com and see how much you can add. It's worth it.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19186#Comment_19186

Mine is about 3 years old, but benefited incredibly from maxing out my system RAM (to 4GB)

It's got 1.25 GB but the price of the old DDR memory is such that I would only upgrade to 2 GB. The real cure is a multi-core CPU!

Pam Larson

I turn it off because I find it annoying. I'll be fine with whatever you guys do as long as I can keep it turned off. Right now it keeps coming back after I turn it off.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/19097#Comment_19097

When you have two Bibles open, both of which have a reverse interlinear (or which are fully-tagged Greek and Hebrew texts), you can select a word or phrase in one Bible and see it highlighted in the parallel text. We call this "Sympathetic Highlighting".

At first I could not get this to work. The I realized I had to select text (not just click on it so that it's highlighted) in one version to see the sympathetic highlighting in the other.

Thanks Rich, I couldn't get it to work either till I read your post. Clicking on the text does in a fashion select the text so I missed this fact also.

I like the concept but it is giving me very inconsistent results. Sometimes it works other times the matches seem incorrect.

I would prefer it off by default but would want to be able to quickly turn it on or off as required so its current acess point is great. Till I found your post about this Bob I had no idea what that option was about. Thanks for explaining it.