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Robert Campbell said:

http://www.logos.com/product/8648/book-of-common-prayer-1979-daily-office-lectionary

Is this what you are looking for?

Much better answer than mine [:)].

All I really wanted. Thank you So Much LOGOS for making this resource available (I would gladdly have paid the 4.99, but am Happy to see it;s being made free for now anyhow).

-Dan

tom collinge said:

Sorry for the confusion MJ.  I use the RCL daily lectionary for my morning and evening prayers.

After using the RCL Daily for 3 years I am very happy to get back to the 2 year Lectionary I had used for so many years. For me the Lectionary readings of the daily office (Book of Common Prayer, Lutheran Book of Worship, Book of Alternative Services of Anglican Church Canada), works better for me. it has a better flow for me.

-Dan

Hello MJ, I can't recall if I've contacted you in a forum or not - so sorry if this is a repeat.

I'm searching forums / google for any method to get an Orthodox Lectionary into Logos.  I'm willing to do any and all work as this would be tremendously useful for me.  I created a Lectionary Resource that Logos 4 was able to load on my homepage, but none of the reading links (or any other text besides the date) shows up. I'm a programmer and IT specialist (in addition to priest), so the syntax / code does not scare me - and I will probably script the bulk of the work once I have the format.

But first - Is there an example format of a lectionary that loads properly in Logos somewhere?

Thanks,
Fr Aleksa

(Nice quote by Bishop Hilarion, by the way - I got to know him as Deacon when he visited my seminary a few times. Brilliant - doesn't talk much though.  :-) 

Welcome to the forums! Since it's still fairly early in the day where MJ lives I'll start on an answer, and then she can add a much better one later.

Fr Aleksa Pavichevich said:

I created a Lectionary Resource that Logos 4 was able to load on my homepage, but none of the reading links (or any other text besides the date) shows up.

I presume you did it as a Personal Book, and that you have seen the Wiki page for Personal Books.

Fr Aleksa Pavichevich said:

Is there an example format of a lectionary that loads properly in Logos somewhere?

The only lectionary PB I'm aware of currently is a Messianic Jewish one. It doesn't have the actual readings, like e g Logos' Catholic Lectionary [sort of] has, but only a linked list of them. In the resource it looks like this:

When I try prioritizing it I see what I presume you saw:

So that isn't going to be much help for you, I'm afraid. Hopefully MJ has managed to get at least some of her many lectionaries in progress to 'load properly'. Don't get your hopes up too high, though. Even Logos own lectionaries leave an awful lot to be desired. But the more people that express their interest, the more likely it is that we can get Logos to prioritize these issues.

If you do manage to get it to work, and there are no copyright issues, I hope you'll post it in the Files forum. I'd be interested. And given that Logos is working on the first part of Popular Patristics, I imagine there will soon be quite a few others that are too. In fact, given that, and provided the copyright isn't a problem, it might even be possible to get Logos to release an Orthodox Lectionary as a proper resource, as a kind of good will gesture towards new Orthodox users. Increasing that customer base would do wonders for resources like the Patrologia Cursus Completus, Series Graeca, Part 1 (vols. 1–18), which isn't exactly moving fast right now.

This is a really helpful post, Louis. Thanks a lot!

Louis St. Hilaire said:

Dynamic text functionality is planned (...) for Personal Books

[Y]

Louis St. Hilaire said:

particularly if we can determine what lectionary would be most in demand

That is, of course, always an issue when it comes to the Orthodox. [:D] Not that I have any idea how much readings vary between the different churches, but I imagine it may be quite a bit.

(I hope someone who's good at Wiki editing sees this post and uses it to update the Personal Books page.)

Louis St. Hilaire said:

To get the lectionary information to show up on the home page, you need milestones for the YearMonthDay data type and you need to mark up the content with the following fields (as appropriate): reading, season, day (i.e. liturgical occasion), year, date.

Here's an example of a couple of days marked up with the appropriate milestones and fields.

[[@YearMonthDay:April 24, 2012]]
{{field-on:date}}TUESDAY, APRIL 24, 2012{{field-off:date}} | {{field-on:season}}EASTER{{field-off:season}}
{{field-on:day}}TUESDAY OF THE THIRD WEEK OF EASTER{{field-off:day}}
{{field-on:year}}YEARS 1 & 2{{field-off:year}}

              First Reading       {{field-on:reading}}Acts 7:51–8:1a{{field-off:reading}}
              Response       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 31:6a{{field-off:reading}}
              Psalm       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 31:3c–4, 6, 7b, 8a, 17, 21ab{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel Acclamation       {{field-on:reading}}John 6:35ab{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel       {{field-on:reading}}John 6:30–35{{field-off:reading}}

[[@YearMonthDay:April 25, 2012]]
{{field-on:date}}WEDNESDAY, APRIL 25, 2012{{field-off:date}} |{{field-on:season}} FEAST{{field-off:season}}
{{field-on:day}}SAINT MARK, EVANGELIST{{field-off:day}}
{{field-on:year}}YEARS 1 & 2{{field-off:year}}

              First Reading       {{field-on:reading}}1 Peter 5:5b–14{{field-off:reading}}
              Response       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 89:2{{field-off:reading}}
              Psalm       {{field-on:reading}}Psalm 89:2–3, 6–7, 16–17{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel Acclamation       {{field-on:reading}}1 Corinthians 1:23a–24b{{field-off:reading}}
              Gospel       {{field-on:reading}}Mark 16:15–20{{field-off:reading}}

I've tested this in the current beta and it appears to work as expected. (Previously, there was a bug that prevented Personal Book lectionaries from showing up on the homepage.)

The text of the readings in Logos lectionaries is inserted with dynamic text. Dynamic text functionality is planned, but not implemented for Personal Books, but the homepage functionality does not depend on the dynamic text.

fgh said:

provided the copyright isn't a problem, it might even be possible to get Logos to release an Orthodox Lectionary as a proper resource

Absolutely--particularly if we can determine what lectionary would be most in demand and obtain that.

Hi Louis,

Right now, I am too tired to figure this out.  I have a simple question.  Can  I create a PBB for the daily RCL, and the text for Tuesday of Easter 4 year B will always show for the 4th Tuesday of Easter in Year B without having to recompile the PBB with different dates for the different calendar years?

MJ. Smith said:

fgh said:

That is, of course, always an issue when it comes to the Orthodox.

Not all that much more than Catholic as our readings vary by rite or did

You've got a point, but you've taken my quote out of context. The context was Louis saying "particularly if we can determine what lectionary would be most in demand". I don't think there's any issue whatsoever with what Catholic lectionary is most in demand: Latin rite US. Now, if it was a question about determining what would be the second most demanded Catholic lectionary, then I grant you we have a situation that's more similar to the Orthodox: an Eastern rite? a religious order? another country? another language even? Unless, of course, everyone bow to authority and agree on the one the pope uses. [:P]

tom collinge said:

Thanks Louis

Louis St. Hilaire said:

The application itself doesn't have the ability to determine the date for Easter or other occasions in the different liturgical calendars for a particular year. 

This is one of the reasons why I state that Logos 4 is not designed to be a Christian tool, but an Evangelical Christian tool.  I did not upgrade to L4 (I did the crossgrade option) because upgrading I did not see the added books being worthwhile for me.

Calculating dates is not a hard thing to do.  While there are many lectionaries out there, it is my understanding that a good number of them use the same dates (Easter and Christmas) as their starting points.

While the evangelical background for Logos is obvious, it also seems obvious that Logos is trying to reach out beyond it.  While I am critical of the Lectionary functionality, I also remember the uproar among the Beta testers when the Catholic Lectionary was instantly displayed on the home page, and the difficulty with changing it or eliminating it.  Many users seemed honestly offended that it was there and were quite concerned about it.  But Logos kept it in there, because they recognized that this was a needed tool for many of us.

My problems are with the implementation.  It seems crazy to have to, in effect, manually put in the date for each day in a lectionary.  It should be obvious that the Sunday of Easter 4 is three weeks after Sunday of Easter 1, and so if the Computer knows the date for Easter, it should be able to figure it out.

But while that is only a problem for content providers for Lectionaries, I also found it frustrating to navigate around the year.  The Lectionary Viewer in Libronix was much more useful for me.  There are hints that it is getting better, but IMHO it isn't there yet.

MJ. Smith said:

Then again, even I would give notes more priority,

MJ. Smith said:

That's easy - it's my birthday

I agree your birthday is easy -- it doesn't move according to complicated rules, like Annunciation does. [8-|]

Wait a second! I just checked your lectionary. You don't celebrate Annunciation at all this year or next? Either on the day or on a Sunday? No, wait again. The webpage for the Swedish diocese says it was to be celebrated on the 26th this year, but I can't find it there (or anywhere else) in Logos' lectionary. What's going on here?

MJ. Smith said:

It's somewhat interesting in terms of Sundays after Trinity rather than after Pentecost.

To me that's normal, and 'after Pentecost' is the oddity. A quick search says that the Sarum rite as well as most of Northern Europe has counted this way since probably around 1300. Given that geography, it's hardly surprising that it was carried over into Reformation churches. It was, btw, also used in the Carmelite, Carthusian and, yes, Dominican rites. So it ought to be as normal for you as for me. [:P]

Actually, this looks almost exactly like our calendar. Even the Latin names during Lent and Easter are there.

Hmm, how come your file got a nice looking name when I unzipped it, when every other .docx I've downloaded comes with a four figure number at the beginning and a lot of %20's instead of spaces? Could you teach everyone else that trick, please? I'm sooo tired of having to tidy up every file name. 

MJ. Smith said:

We did move the Annunciation to Monday, March 26.

We move it to Sundays, and you move it away from Sundays? I wonder if the bishops have really thought through the theological implications of that.

MJ. Smith said:

Generally the lectionaries I build lack secular calendar dates so I can blame Logos

Indeed:

Somehow the woman caught in adultery doesn't feel like quite the right text for Annunciation. [:P] Unless you want to give the impression that Talmud is correct...

And no 2012 or 2013 here:

Did you see my question to you at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/31295/362328.aspx#362328?