Mind Mapping program integration
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Rosie Perera said:Dan DeVilder said:MJ. Smith said:
Hey, Ms. Wrong (lol, that sounds kinda funny), I already came to your defense above!
Ms. Wrong #2
lol, of COURSE you are in this, how could I forget to mention you???[:$]. I blame it on old age. She was the more recent poster, and my memory could not go much beyond that . . . .
Great to have you appear here again!
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Maybe one of use could keep track of the gender of the poster's to this thread in mind mapping software so we can all be sure to stay on the same page and so that no one gets forgotten. :-)
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Philip Spitzer said:
Maybe one of use could keep track of the gender of the poster's to this thread in mind mapping software so we can all be sure to stay on the same page and so that no one gets forgotten. :-)
Folks,
What about choosing titles that address everyone? Cf. Galatians 3:28. Then we can keep our eye on the ball – in this case mind-mapping! (Mind you, I love the wee asides in threads. They make things so personal and inject a bit of humour and humanity into what might otherwise become just techno-babble.) Then we can have fun while we learn from each other.
Every blessing
Alan
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I just downloaded "Freeplane" which is the successor to "FreeMind" evidently.
It's cool...and it works well...now I just have to learn to use it!
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Alan Macgregor said:
What about choosing titles that address everyone? Cf. Galatians 3:28.
so, you are recommending we switch to the TNIF version, eh? Today's New Inclusive Forum . . . [A]
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Dan DeVilder said:Alan Macgregor said:
What about choosing titles that address everyone? Cf. Galatians 3:28.
so, you are recommending we switch to the TNIF version, eh? Today's New Inclusive Forum . . .
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Alan Macgregor said:
I wiz usin' the Nearly Infallible Version.
I knew a guy whose dad was on the translating committee for the NIV, and his family used to jokingly call it the Never Inaccurate Version. [:)]
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Steven Kaminski said:
Here's the deal. I have built extensive connections between MindManager 8 and Logos 3.
Steve,
I looked at your site and couldn't find where I can download your tool. I'm very interested in trying it since I am constantly copying and pasting from L3 into MM8.
Have a great day,
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I'll try to put some stuff up on my site this week (I've had a busy weekend and haven't been able to finish the page yet).
Steven Kaminski
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Steve,
I am thrilled to find another Mind Manager user. As Jim said, I would be most appreciative of receiving your MM files in either MM format, preferably or even pdf format,
Your work could provide a base for me to build on, where needed, and save me a lot of time and effort in developing that which you already have,
I don't know how you would know what email address to send them to as I have not done it in the Forum. Is there a way for us to exchange email addresses without publishing it to the Forum World?'
Thanks,
Bi
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I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
If you agree go to the following link and vote for ir. let's see if we can get this high on their list of things to do![:D]
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Were up to 4 votes now. Who else would like to see the ability to create mind maps inside Logos?
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I agree, even if we could just download a graphic into Notes (like a JPEG file). This is the 1st time I have viewed this thread. Here is my take on this topic as a High School teacher. Some of the "mind maps" in this thread are pretty complicated. I have been trained by a company called "Thinking Maps" that is fairly small. They use a simpler process that involve 8 basic cognitive processes tied to only 8 different graphic organizers that help students learn. I have been using these thinking maps in my World History and Amer. Govt. classes, and they have been extremely helpful in getting the students to process information in these very "content-oriented" subject areas. It is important to be able to teach all types of students from advanced to novice about the Bible. Personally I have been using these thinking maps in my own personal biblical studies. The following is an example of a Comparison and Contrast (one of the 8 basic cognitive processes) Thinking Map.. The pinkish text shows how John the Baptist and Jesus are similar, and the the text attached to each individual shows differences. The text in green highlight shows how to get a student into Level 2 or even Level 3 thinking...DAB
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Stephen Weasler said:
I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
If you agree go to the following link and vote for ir. let's see if we can get this high on their list of things to do!
Were up to 115th now!. Let's keep it going
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Yes, Mind Manager is what I use too from time to time. Since most people, according to the research and class I have had indicates most North Americans learn visually and retrieve information from their brain visually, it makes eminent sense to utilize this graphical tool to teach spiritual truths and lessons.
So, I too, support the ability to have mind mapping functionality in Logos 4.
I also support all the graphics, like maps, etc. Logos is adding to the Library!
Thanks for bringing this up Stephen. Bill
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seaview said:
Yes, Mind Manager is what I use too from time to time. Since most people, according to the research and class I have had indicates most North Americans learn visually and retrieve information from their brain visually, it makes eminent sense to utilize this graphical tool to teach spiritual truths and lessons.
So, I too, support the ability to have mind mapping functionality in Logos 4.
I also support all the graphics, like maps, etc. Logos is adding to the Library!
Thanks for bringing this up Stephen. Bill
I'm also an avid mind manager user.
If we push for this mind mapping functionality aren't we likely to end up with something far inferior than we get with an application whose sole purpose is mind mapping? And it would be at the cost of development cycles that could have instead been focused on doing the Logos does best... Bible apps. I'm typically not a fan of a one program to rule them all approach. However convince me how this would be a good thing and I'll avidly support it.
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Chris Lohroff said:
And it would be at the cost of development cycles that could have instead been focused on doing the Logos does best... Bible apps.
I see several of the visual tools as part of a basic Bible app in the same sense that the sentence diagrams are. I will admit that the Logos sentence diagramer is not as strong as some specialized software - it is up to the users to determine if it is sufficient. My personal first choice would be the ability to integrate diagram tools that use XML into Logos through the XML. My second choice would be to copy the diagrams into Logos notes - and have the text automatically indexed for searches. My third choice would be to copy the diagrams into notes or the sentence diagramer and manually enter search fields.
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Chris Lohroff said:seaview said:
Yes, Mind Manager is what I use too from time to time. Since most people, according to the research and class I have had indicates most North Americans learn visually and retrieve information from their brain visually, it makes eminent sense to utilize this graphical tool to teach spiritual truths and lessons.
So, I too, support the ability to have mind mapping functionality in Logos 4.
I also support all the graphics, like maps, etc. Logos is adding to the Library!
Thanks for bringing this up Stephen. Bill
I'm also an avid mind manager user.
If we push for this mind mapping functionality aren't we likely to end up with something far inferior than we get with an application whose sole purpose is mind mapping? And it would be at the cost of development cycles that could have instead been focused on doing the Logos does best... Bible apps. I'm typically not a fan of a one program to rule them all approach. However convince me how this would be a good thing and I'll avidly support it.
Chris, while you may use the functionality of Mind Manager many of us don't/wouldn't use all of those capabilities. While the Logos version probably wouldn't be as robust I don't want to shell out a couple hundred more bucks for another program. The only thing I use mind mapping software for is sermon/lesson prep I would like it already inside the bible study software I already use. I would like to be able to reference them the same as notes and have it integrated with the resources in logos. I don't want to have to copy and paste and create links between the 2 programs.
If you would require addition functionality that Mind Manager gives you then by all means use it but for me I don't need it. I would prefer to have it integrated into logos.
God Bless
Stephen[:)]
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I just started using MindNode for Mac (free) and I really like it. Mind mapping really seems to help a non-linear thinker like myself get my study notes, sermon points, teaching concepts down, and convert it to a teachable, preachable format. I never show the Mind Map w/ the congregation, as it would probably just confuse them... but it truly seems to help me get my thoughts to a linear presentable sermon.
That being said... I would LOVE it if Logos found a way to interweave something like this into their software. That would be amazing!!
Here is a same of my mind map for last Sunday's sermon on Jonah 4.1-4: http://www.portagechurch.org/jonah4mindmap.pdf
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Bob, I just started using MindNode myself (I like the price [;)] free!) If you would like to see it included in Logos go to the like below and vote for it!!!
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Dan DeVilder said:Steven Kaminski said:
(I don't think there were any ladies on this thread):
Yes, there is: MJ. And even if they don't post, they may read!
Yes, they [we] do, thank you Dan! [:)]
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Philip Spitzer said:
what advantage do other programs have over whats available for free?
Another free mapping application is called VUE being developed at Tufts University. Below is a video about using VUE as a presentation tool. I have not tried it but the presentation capabilities look pretty nifty. VUE seems to be actively being developed.
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Dan DeVilder said:Steven Kaminski said:
(I don't think there were any ladies on this thread):
Yes, there is: MJ. And even if they don't post, they may read!
Yes, I've been of the female persuasion since day 1.[H]
I use Inspiration for mind maps partially because I can label the connecting lines. That permits me to use it for argument maps etc. as well. However, there is a type of "outlining" (Warnier-Orr) that it does not support which I also really like to use.
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Stephen Weasler said:
I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
What exactly do you have in mind? From your comment I gather you would like to have a mind-map format for notes?
Have a great day,
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I don't think it makes sense to have the Logos team spend time on something that is already well done in other programs. I am an avid mind mapper having used hand drawn techniques, Compendium, and now Mindmanager since version 7. There are many other mind mapping packages out there and they all have different strengths. By definition, mindmapping is very unique to the user and the situation.
The best implementation, IMHO, would be a way to integrate between Logos and various mind mapping programs. For instance, the ability to import mind maps into Logos to be indexed and have the scripture all tagged would be great. A logos toolbar to install in the mind mapping s/w would be very handy also. Something that would automatically convert all scripture references (like RefTagger, or the old macro's that were floating around for Word 2000 by Andrew Mckenzie: LDLS_Word2000_XP.dot, anybody figured out how to use that in word 2007?).
A solution like this (importing, indexing, and toolbars) has more potential to help a wider variety of users using a wider variety of 3rd party tools. In addition, this would seem to be a smaller endeavour technically and thus more likely to happen, without detracting from the main thing, Bible software.
Ask for this instead and it's possible it will also create more momentum for the similarly requested features for MS Word (converting scriptures to hyperlinks, popups, and/or full quotes, and other toolbar buttons).
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This is an interesting thread, but most of the "maps" I've seen here strike me as being themselves rather confusing. I use L3 notes to do basically what everyone here is doing with other programs. The "maps" I create in L3 have the advantage over the stuff I see in this thread because my note maps are RIGHT IN MY BIBLE. I suppose there are things L3 doesn't do, but I don't really think about it since I am able to do nearly all I want...with a couple of exceptions. I STILL WISH I COULD CREATE SCROLLABLE POP-UP NOTES IN L3...but I don't see that happening.
But who knows, at some point I may decide this kind of software can help, and there's lots of good info here to consider. Thanks for the input, everyone.
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David Paul said:
This is an interesting thread, but most of the "maps" I've seen here strike me as being themselves rather confusing.
That's a common reaction. It's a matter of finding the format that best fits the way you think - and then learning to read the form. Remember that school spent time teaching you to read pie charts, bar graphs, outlines, sentence diagrams ... a younger generation is learning mind maps, tree diagrams, graphic organizers, fishbones ...At the very least Logos needs to support the various ways that high school and college freshman study course teach the students to take notes. (IMHO, of course)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have been using Inspiration and Mindjet for a very long time. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. I preach using a Kindle, so I do my thinking, research and outline in the Mindjet or Inspiration, then convert them to MS Word. (I don't know how well the free programs work, but both of these do a great job) One advantage Mindjet has is you can set MS Word styles for the conversion, so your word document is formatted correctly when you make the conversion, In case you haven't looked at it, www.journeyed.com is an educational software supplier that carries both programs, with a hugh discount.
Once you really start using a mind mapping program, you will get addicted to it and begin using it for more and more reasons. Good Luck!
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Jesse Vaught said:
- the ability to import mind maps into Logos to be indexed and have the scripture all tagged would be great.
- A logos toolbar to install in the mind mapping s/w would be very handy also.
- Something that would automatically convert all scripture references (like RefTagger,...).These sound good to me.
I'd like to have an ability to create a link in MindManager, or Word for that matter, that takes me directly to a location in a resource in Logos 4. In other words, the ability to bypass Logos notes and clippings but have the same linking capability from an external program.
I'd also like to be able to create a bibliography and connect to it through an external program. Right now I use Favorites as a way to build a bibliography for a topic. I'm suggesting being able to link a favorites folder to an external program (in my case Mind Manager) such that the folder contents would show up in the external program and would change as it is changed inside Logos. Plus each entry in the external program would be a link to that resource inside Logos. (It would be ok if there was a "refresh" macro in the external program instead of automatic dynamic update of the contents.)
Have a great day,
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@ David Paul, I agree with M.J. (at least on the familiarity/training issue). Additionally, one of the true benefits of the map is in the process of creating it. Those unique and odd "shapes" that they take on as they are being created add a visual element which is not present in purely linear, text-only notes. That extra visual element does wonders for retention. for that same reason it is important that the mind mapping tool has much to offer in the way of graphical additions. It's not just fluff, it's there to aid retention and recall. Many people mistake mind mapping as just another way to do an heirarchichal outline. If that's all it is, then it's not all that exciting. This is another reason why I'm in the camp of Logos introducing ways to connect to 3rd party applications rather than having a built-in version, that would probably be nothing more than an outliner with some lines and boxes.
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Hi Jim,
We met at Camp Logos this summer, how have you been?I like your ideas. I'm reminded on one simple thing that really bugs me. Currently if I just highlight, copy, paste from Logos to MS Word or ppt, logos is really cool in that it includes footnotes and a citation. No such feature in MM :-(.
I think i like your idea of cross linking. What do you mean by what's in Logos would update in external app? All I can think of is Notes, did you have other items in mind?
Lastly, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by being able to create a link which would open a resource in Logos to a particular location. We already have that feature. Do you mean with less clicks?
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Steve K, from Mar of last year: Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice work! Any progress on getting the ver 4 api opened up?
I'm very interested in seeing more, feel free to contact me srvjav at juno dot com. Thanks!
Collaboration by Logos with guys like you for tools like this would do a lot for the user community. I still haven't ever found any decent macros for Word to replace the ones Andrew Mckenzie did for logos 3 and word 2000.
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Ladies and Gentlemen:
After several months of silence, this thread came alive a few weeks ago, picking up where we left off last March.
I have made very good use of my MindManager Tools for LDLS 3. But, unfortunately, I don't have them to share. They are not ready for prime time. I have posted a few more examples, however.
http://www.shkaminski.com/Church/
I'm not a programmer. I built these because I needed them. I would love to share them, but they I don't know how well they would work on another computer.
I would very much like to see this level of integration in Logos 4, but there is no API yet (as far as I know). The new web API may provide some help.
Perhaps we can bug the Logos folks to make some accomodation.
Steve Kaminski
Steven Kaminski
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Jim said:
One of MM's problems is that they don't have a low cost entry solution. Here's a few links to other tools. I don't know much about them, but have been intending to evaluate them.
Here is an additional list of free mind mapping tools that I discovered yesterday - I originally posted the link to my Facebook wall, but thought there might be some interest here.
Blessings,
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Ok, I do have one question though. I tried Buzan iMindMap but when it came to power point presentations I really had to start creating my presentation in EXTRA LARGE mode and just put a few main points with some verses as subpoints or else the presentation would look small on the screen. It looked kind of small already even though I had created the presentation extra large on my computer.
Now, to my question: Do you guys use your mind map mainly to study and organize your thoughts for your sermon or do you actually take your mindmap to the pulpit and project it on a screen? I just wonder because some of your mind maps have too much information packed in them and I doubt that that will be legible to people even if you put it on power point.
Anyway, any tips on how to actually use a mind map on power point for Sunday sermons would be helpful.
Blessings!
Douglas
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they are a bit pricey, but check out http://www.creationengine.com/html/pl.lasso?s=mind and order it through your church, school, or other non-profit. At those prices it is worth every penny.
I ordered through creation engine for church-related work and fell in love with it so much I was working on convincing my engineering VP to let me get a copy for my department. I called Mindjet and they said as long as I owned the license it was no problem, even if I had procured it under the non-profit, assuming I was qualified to do so, which I am, then they had no issues with me using it in additional environments.
Plus the full version price at creation engine is only $10 more than the upgrade so when I upgraded I bought the full version instead, freeing up the older version for another guy in our church. In the meantime, the CEO of the engineering company I was with saw the value and went and bought the full enchilada from Mindjet directly (no non-profit discount of course).
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I'm glad to see all this interest in mindmapping. I haven't read this post thoroughly, but has anyone mentioned the iThoughtsHD app for iPad? I use it a lot for personal projects and with groups (video out to a projector) for brainstorming, strategic planning, etc. It's very inexpensive, and I highly recommend it. Although it probably wouldn't mesh well with L4...
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Inspiration 9 software has a built in presentation mode that can easily be integrated into a power point presentation. It is an affordable program with a solid set of features.
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MJ. Smith said:
It is an affordable program with a solid set of features.
The demos show lots of mouse clicking. Is it keyboard friendly or is this a program for mouseketeers only?
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Ken F Hill said:
Is it keyboard friendly or is this a program for mouseketeers only?
It has a full array of keyboard shortcuts.
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Jesse Vaught said:
...Currently if I just highlight, copy, paste from Logos to MS Word or ppt, logos is really cool in that it includes footnotes and a citation. No such feature in MM :-(.
I've brought this up to MM and they don't care since we are not a large enough client base for them. It is frustrating.
Jesse Vaught said:I think i like your idea of cross linking. What do you mean by what's in Logos would update in external app? All I can think of is Notes, did you have other items in mind?
Suppose I could have a "link" to a Logos note or clipping file that I could put in Mind Manager or Word and the content of that note/clipping would show up in those applications and the next time I opened the document the content would change if I had changed the note/clipping in Logos. Maybe that's not as easy as just keeping notes in the external program to start with. It's just an idea.
Jesse Vaught said:Lastly, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by being able to create a link which would open a resource in Logos to a particular location. We already have that feature. Do you mean with less clicks?
I'm not aware of this. In Mind Manager I can create a link to a web page or file. When I click on that link it opens a web browser or the appropriate document program. Can I create a link in MM that would open Logos and take me to a location in a specific resource? I can create such a link inside Logos 4 through the favorites list. I'd like to be able to have such a link in an external document. Can that be done? I'd also like to have an external link to a folder in the Logos favorites that would copy all the links in the favorites folder to my external application and keep the list up to date as I change it in Logos.
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
s I really had to start creating my presentation in EXTRA LARGE mode and just put a few main points with some verses as subpoints or else the presentation would look small on the screen.
I have used PowerPoint Plex (an addin tool from Microsoft) to make larger than normal powerpoint possible. Using this tool, you could put a picture of your mind map on a regular slide, then put portions of the mind map on separate slides. Then, in the presentation, you can double-click on the portion you want to focus in to see the details. right-click, and zoom out to see the overall map. Harder to explain, than show...
Check out the site for pptplex http://www.officelabs.com/projects/pptPlex/Pages/default.aspx
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Steven Kaminski said:
http://www.shkaminski.com/Church/
I'm not a programmer. I built these because I needed them. I would love to share them, but they I don't know how well they would work on another computer.
Steven, I just looked at what you've put together and I would love to try these on my computer if you are still open to sharing them. My email is mike AT makingfriends DOT org.
Thanks for posting these!
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I'd appreciate it if you would take some screen shots Steve and post them on http://community.logos.com/forums/p/29359/219146.aspx#219146
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Now, to my question: Do you guys use your mind map mainly to study and organize your thoughts for your sermon or do you actually take your mindmap to the pulpit and project it on a screen?
Hi Douglas,
I would suggest a third use: the lectern. I am currently teaching a course on Church History for adult Sunday School. I had highlighted salient information; e.g., dates and people, in my standard text file to be used as crib notes. If I had had this functionality, I would have built a chart for the lectern to serve as my outline. That way, it doesn't matter how confusing it might be to someone else. It only has to serve as a crib sheet for me.
Revisit Bob Turners post: Bob Turner
Replied:
Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:24 PMBob included a pdf which was a single sheet outline of the book of Acts. Many pastors could study that chart for about 15 minutes, then use it to give an extemporaneous overview of the book.
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MJ,
I would like to know how you use the Warnier-Orr diagrams. I use them in my work when designing software, (hardly anyone know of them; I ws trained on them in school long ago). I nver thought of them in use for Bible Study though.
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Jim said:Stephen Weasler said:
I personally would like them to add a mind mapping functionality to Logos 4. I would like to limit the number of different software program I use and would love to see it integrated directly into Logos with the ability to link directly to resources/notes/etc. I would also like the ability to share them similiar to what they do with reading list.
What exactly do you have in mind? From your comment I gather you would like to have a mind-map format for notes?
Jim, yes that is what I would like to see. Some way to visualize notes and show how the items are related.
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Bruce Roth said:
I would like to know how you use the Warnier-Orr diagrams.
I use them primarily for outlining because of the collapse/expand features. But I also use them to for repeating structures for form analysis - showing the form but not content for exercises in identifying the structure of a text. I also use them to show hermeneutic processing of a text which is much closer to their intended use. I'll try to remember to post some examples after I've visited Mother today.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Stephen Weasler said:
Some way to visualize notes and show how the items are related.
If you have any examples could you post them on http://community.logos.com/forums/p/29359/219146.aspx#219146. Thanks
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G'day,
I am just about to buy Inspiration 9 (partly due to your imput here, and partly due to the fact it is a little cheaper than MM9) and was wondering about this feature...you say it is easily integrated into a powerpoint presentation. Does that mean I could create my project on Inspiration 9 and then present it using MS Powerpoint (instead of Inspiration's own viewer)? This functionality is well addressed in MM9's advertising, but Inspiration 9 seems to focus on integration with MS Word.
Thank you for your time.
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