Phil,
You make me happy. Are you trying to win my favorite person of the year award with this? Downloading now.
Logos 4 for Mac Alpha 1 Now Available
Phil Gons (Logos)
Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 3,803 
The first alpha of the Mac version of Logos 4 is now available. If you're in the Windows private beta program and have a Mac, we encourage you to download and test out our first alpha. Please provide all feedback on the Mac version in this new Mac beta forum. And please remember that the terms of the NDA apply to Logos 4 for Mac as well.
http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LBS4MacInstallerBeta/4.0.3.2012/Logos4Mac.dmg (47.5MB)
Keep in mind that this is Alpha 1, which means there are lots of missing features and plenty of bugs. 
Automatic updating of the app and resources is in place, so as new builds are available, you'll get them automatically.
Note: You will need to have version 1 of Logos for Mac installed on your machine to have access to your resources. The current build doesn't yet download missing resources from the server. That functionality will be added in a future build.
Thanks for your help testing Logos 4 for Mac!
Phil
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Phil,
You make me happy. Are you trying to win my favorite person of the year award with this? Downloading now.
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Phil,
What is the best way to get my resources on my Mac for a first time install? Can I use the windows DVD or will they be downloaded after install of the Mac beta based on my License?
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Bob Soule said:
Phil,
What is the best way to get my resources on my Mac for a first time install? Can I use the windows DVD or will they be downloaded after install of the Mac beta based on my License?
It's not possible in Alpha 1 to do a fresh install of Logos 4 for Mac and get your resources to show up. You must first install Logos for Mac 1 and copy your resources locally and then install Logos 4 for Mac.
If you don't have access to version 1, then your only option is to wait until we add this functionality in a future alpha.
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One quick note: The current build has a bug on Snow Leopard (Mac OS 10.6) where the close icons are not evident when tabs are opened. We are working on a fix and hope to post an update in a day or two.
Mobile Development Team Lead
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One more thing. You can use Cmd-W to close tabs on Snow Leopard.
Mobile Development Team Lead
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Downloaded and installed but what are the updates it's trying to grab? Additional resources? It says downloading 3.1 GB but it's reporting 0% downloaded and I haven't seen it advance past 0% in the 45 min or so that it's been running.
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Mike Aubrey said:
any comments on hardware requirements?
We plan to have a FAQ up tomorrow that will include, among other things, system requirements.
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Till the FAQ is up, at a very minimum:
- Mac OS 10.5.8 or later
- Intel only (PowerPC is not supported)
- 1 GB RAM
- 8 GB hard drive space
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Have fun guys. I enjoyed the Windows beta, but finding and reporting every bug, feature request, etc. is tiring. It will be nice to be able to just use the program and focus on nice things about it (and there are many) for a while (or forget the program altogether and just study without reporting issues). It is hard to believe you will be starting at the beginning again. Hopefully the Logos programmers will get some sort of break before this beta moves into full swing.
www.3rdcultureliving.com - Simple Abundant Legacy
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Updates never did start downloading for me last night but they are now successfully downloading.
Initial impression with the program: I'm quite pleased with the direction of things. Recognizing that this is Alpha 1, I will wait a while before bothering to mention things that are missing.
But I do have some initial suggestions/questions.Tabs: Could these be enabled as tear-away tabs? I never thought to suggest this for the Windows version but I'm so used to tear-away Safari tabs I found myself immediately trying to tear-away Logos tabs.
That is, click a tab and drag it outside the application will automatically turn it into a floating window (which I see isn't in place yet).Resizing: Okay, this is a comment on something missing, but the bottom right corner of the window probably should have something to indicate it is the resize corner, though most Mac users will know this already
More button: The More button for passage guide sections and such is a little clunky looking, IMO. Just a text, bolded and underlined or some such, would look better methinks.
Public beta: When Logos 4 for PC is released, will the Mac version stay private or will it be opened up like the 1.0 beta was? When the PC version is released will we still be bound by the NDA for the Mac version?
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Alpha 1 can pull resources off of the Windows DVD (if it is inserted when you first run the program), and it can also download resources from the web.
David Mitchell
Development Lead
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Chris Roberts said:
Public beta: When Logos 4 for PC is released, will the Mac version stay private or will it be opened up like the 1.0 beta was? When the PC version is released will we still be bound by the NDA for the Mac version?
When the Windows product goes live, the Mac product will enter a public beta (alpha).
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ugh... I got so excited to downoad, that I did not read it. [:$]Mike Aubrey said:see the post above:
"Mac OS 10.5.8 or later"
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Joe,
Just accept fate. It's time to upgrade.
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Start a Paypal fund. I'll throw in $5 to Bring Joe Up-to-Date!
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Mike,
Snow Leopard (10.6) is only reduced for Leopard (10.5) users. Tiger (10.4) users pay the full price for a new OS. I'm not entirely sure how this would work since they don't offer a non-upgrade version except for the Box Set ($169) which includes iLife and iWork. A nice package, but not if you're a Tiger user who only wants Snow Leopard. Because of that I would tend to think (along with many others) that it's probably acceptable for a Tiger user to go ahead and buy Snow Leopard. IMO. Maybe.
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I'm only a mac guy in my spare time -- i.e. when I'm helping my wife with her computer. Thanks for the info. That's too bad. Apple just lost a point or two in my mind for that one.
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Mike,
It makes sense. OS X is quite a bit cheaper than the cheapest version of Windows. Snow Leopard is not a major upgrade from Leopard but it is a major upgrade from Tiger. Normally a copy of OS X costs around $129 (IIRC) so $30 is quite the discount and breaks from Apple's normal modus operandi. That means even the Snow Leopard box set is quite a deal at present.
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And W7 is a major upgrade from XP, but students can still receive the upgrade price of $30.
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Mike,
Students can. Microsoft is good about giving good deals to students. But the rest of the world gets no such break. To upgrade my Home Premium Vista to Win 7 would cost me a jolly $117, not something I'm willing to do any time soon, particularly since, unlike most people, I think Vista is a pretty good OS. But everyone has access to the $30 Snow Leopard "upgrade".
One difference as well, Microsoft has required upgrade versions be installed on machines with older or current versions of the OS. In the past you could stick in a CD with an old version of Windows and the installer would proceed. With Vista the OS had to actually be installed first, which made things annoying when trying for a clean install. I assume things are similar with Win 7.
The Snow Leopard upgrade does no verification whatsoever. The DVD contains a full copy of Snow Leopard and does not check to see if you actually have any other copy of OS X.
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Point take.
FYI though - you should be able to do a clean install if you choose "custom" - even with the upgrade.
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Chris Roberts said:
It says downloading 3.1 GB
Oh no not again ...
David Mitchell said:Alpha 1 can pull resources off of the Windows DVD (if it is inserted when you first run the program), and it can also download resources from the web.
What about pulling resources from the Windows Beta (assuming that the resource files are the same) ... if we could copy across our networks rather than challenge the wrath of out friendly neighbourhood ISP ...BTW. Logos 4 for Mac ... yeah ! my new mac is coming in the new year, and my wife can then have her mac back again [;)]2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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How about it testing your requirements. For me it kept crashing at the "waitng for indexer" state Finally I realised I was running very low on hard disk space, so I freed some up hoping that would solve it. It hasnt. Basically I have a program that opens and then hangs repeatedly. Any ideas why?
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OK so I am on snow leopard and today I tried it again. It lasted a bit longer before crashing...maybe 3 minutes this time. Saying "waiting for indexer" O boy, with a top notch macbook pro I really thought this would work. You guys have GOT to figure out a way for this indexing thing to be on the disk before launch. There is NO WAY that the ordinary punter would put up with the indexing nonsense!
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Adrian,
Indexing has been very slow for me but it has completed on both computers I've tested. One is an iMac running Leopard, the other a Macbook Pro with Snow Leopard. Now, once it's up and running it crashes easily, but I can report success on two different setups. I'd guess there's a resource issue similar to issues faced with the L4 for PC indexing early on, though I'd be surprised if the bug fixes worked out for that indexing process have not been applied to the Mac version.
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I would like to report some success but ....
I get the "logging in screen" for about 3 seconds followed by about 0.5 second of waiting for indexer. L4 then unloads itself (or is unloaded by OS X).
After many attempts at this I tried to uninstall but could only remove the application package. Replacing the application package left me in the same place, except this time, at first run, I was not asked for a user name. i.e. L4 is storing data elsewhere on the computer (correctly so) but I cannot as yet find it.
This does bring me back to one of my other posts ... where are the application's data folders so that they can be excluded from time machine?
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Rumors of my success have evidently been exaggerated.
I loaded and ran Logos 4 Mac initially and have been able to run it ever since... until trying to load it today. It is now crashing when I try to run it. I was going to take some screenshots to show I had it going but like Martin I'm currently crashing on the Logging In screen. Primary log attached.
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Aaand now it is working. It is indexing again, however, something that seems to never stop.
Greek display also has an issue here on Snow Leopard.
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I have found it them the files !
Main Drive > Users > [username] >Library > Application support
This folder contains a folder called Logos4
Deleting this and the application, and then reinstalling has got me going again.
I have also excluded this folder and the L4 application from Time Machine.
FWIW By the time I deleted the Application support folder it was already reporting a 5Gb size.
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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15 minutes later 'waiting for Indexer' but Activity monitor is showing 95%+ idle, no disk or network activity .... not bombing out but seemingly doing very little.
I have attached logs and my system profile (I presume the latter is both readable and useful)
TIme to wait for some patience to arrive!
BTW. Chris:
Chris Roberts said:It says downloading 3.1 GB but it's reporting 0% downloaded and I haven't seen it advance past 0% in the 45 min or so that it's been running.
How did you find the 3.1 Gb figure?
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Martin,
Hover over the menu bar Logos icon, you should get a tooltip. Mine at one point said it was downloading 3.1gb. It eventually finished. Indexing has also finished but it frequently starts indexing again for no apparent reason.
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Thanks Chris
I had seen the icon ... somehow I had managed to pause the indexing [:$] and posted before thinking ... for me patience is not so much a virtue but a miracle!
The indexer is now reporting 95% CPU in Activity monitor, which is also reporting L4 as a 32-bit application rather than the 64-bit of the other processes, not that that is an issue in this ageing macbook.
Time to walk away and leave L4 to do its thing without interference!
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Did the washing up ... returned after 10 minutes - no L4 [:(]
Ran the app again, saw the message from OS X about this being a downloaded program are you sure?, saw logging on, waiting for indexer and then L4 bombed out.
Run it again, no caution about downloaded apps, logged on and then bombed out again, not even waiting for the indexer's message.
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Ryan Burns said:
Till the FAQ is up, at a very minimum:
- Mac OS 10.5.8 or later
- Intel only (PowerPC is not supported)
- 1 GB RAM
- 8 GB hard drive space
Are these firm requirements expected for release or are you hoping to support PPC macs as well as development gets futher along?
-Dan
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The $30 Snow Leopard Upgrade Disk should upgrade 10.4 to 10.6. Apple just doesn't want you to know that....this is what I have heard anyway. Keep in mind that 10.6 only works on intel Macs.
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Where do we send bug reports?
Downloaded, installed, logged in, waited for indexer, program closed.
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All indexed and downloaded. Took a while. Lots of functionality for Mac version clearly still not there like system preferences, program settings etc. But seems to be working.
No update button...
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It should detect and download updates automatically; you can also go to:
http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LBS4MacInstaller/Logos4Mac.dmg
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Bob Pritchett said:
It should detect and download updates automatically; you can also go to:
http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LBS4MacInstaller/Logos4Mac.dmg
Ok, it did download a few gig last night when it was first running, so my guess is it pulled everything but I am short on time now and the search function does not work in the library mode so I cannot check if new resources were added properly.
Can we synch licences and get any of the new resources running under version 3 in the mean time? IE the Holman collection which is a prepub?
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OK, I see it now - a little blue icon on the menu bar.
Is that all I should have at the moment?
It's just doing the indexing.
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Joe Miller said:
Chris,
my tardiness to upgrade was not a resistance of fate, but a result of finances... now the pressure to upgrade mounts.
Joe
Joe
The added features in Leopard are well worth the upgrade cost, but I can't speak for Snow Leopard.
Jack
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