Noah's Ark

Just wondering if Logos has watched Ron Wyatt's archialogical research? Because on there home page Noah's ark spread today they said that we're still looking for the remains of Noah's Ark... but Ron Wyatt had clearly discovered it at the base of the Mountains of Arrat in the 70's... Even the Turkish government recognizes it as Noah's Ark... it's in the right place, has the right diminsions and has the right wood... really there's no way it's not naoh's ark... anywho just wondering where they get there info from!!

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MJ. Smith

Each person's home page is generated based on their settings, library and some randomizing routine. What would be needed to answer your question is for you to tell us what resource the entry was from. Logos generally does not create content from scratch (exceptions include the Lexham and Cascadia resources) so the information display normally shows the content of a book. They don't change the contents of books - they merely digitalize and index them.

TCBlack

EDIT: Content deleted because MJ's answer was "more gooder" than mine. :-)

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221343#Comment_221343

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Ha I read it before you deleted it! Now I know what you really think.

Just ribbin ya a little. I guess I need as much "salt" in my speech as anyone.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

Just wondering if Logos has watched Ron Wyatt's archialogical research? Because on there home page Noah's ark spread today they said that we're still looking for the remains of Noah's Ark... but Ron Wyatt had clearly discovered it at the base of the Mountains of Arrat in the 70's... Even the Turkish government recognizes it as Noah's Ark... it's in the right place, has the right diminsions and has the right wood... really there's no way it's not naoh's ark... anywho just wondering where they get there info from!!

I followed Wyatt's discoveries closely in the Seventies. It appeared to me Ron made more discoveries than all the other archaeologists combined in the last 150 years. You might want to check in depth his finds with several sources.

Greg

Just wondering if Logos has watched Ron Wyatt's archialogical research? Because on there home page Noah's ark spread today they said that we're still looking for the remains of Noah's Ark... but Ron Wyatt had clearly discovered it at the base of the Mountains of Arrat in the 70's... Even the Turkish government recognizes it as Noah's Ark... it's in the right place, has the right diminsions and has the right wood... really there's no way it's not naoh's ark... anywho just wondering where they get there info from!!

Cory, just wondering if you live in Houston, TX, or in that general area. I know a Cory James McLaughlin (we're friends on Facebook) and was wondering if you were him.

Greg

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221792#Comment_221792

Just wondering if Logos has watched Ron Wyatt's archialogical research? Because on there home page Noah's ark spread today they said that we're still looking for the remains of Noah's Ark... but Ron Wyatt had clearly discovered it at the base of the Mountains of Arrat in the 70's... Even the Turkish government recognizes it as Noah's Ark... it's in the right place, has the right diminsions and has the right wood... really there's no way it's not naoh's ark... anywho just wondering where they get there info from!!

I followed Wyatt's discoveries closely in the Seventies. It appeared to me Ron made more discoveries than all the other archaeologists combined in the last 150 years. You might want to check in depth his finds with several sources.

Among archaelogists Wyatt is considered to be a kook and a joke.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221818#Comment_221818

Among archaelogists Wyatt is considered to be a kook and a joke.

You might wish to consider this information from the ANE-2 list. Joe Zias was formerly with the Israel Archaeological Authority.

Fra: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] PÃ¥ vegne af Joe Zias
Sendt: den 28 september 2010 06:01
Til: ANE II list
Emne: [ANE-2] Ark-ology Public Service Announcement

In the interest of the profession I wish to make the following announcement. In
the middle of next month folks in the US, along with their counterparts in China
will be holding an evangelical conference in Charlotte, NC. Main purpose of the
conference is to announce to the 'choir' looking for bell$ and whi$tle$ that
they have found the Ark of Noah- again.

As they say there in the US where baseball is the national pastime, 'in order to
know the players, you need a score card' so as a public service I have decided
to list some of the 'player$' and their credentials.

(Thanks to the anon. source who monitors the goings on in the world of fleecing
the public.) Partial line up...

"Turek, McDowell and Cornuke traveled to Iran and were more or less convinced
that the geological formation that they found was Noah's Ark! Ted Wright is
probably a Wyattoid / Cornuker with "Mount Sinai" in Saudi Arabia! "This is just
for starters, when I get more info. on the lineup I will pass it along.

What is interesting here is the deafening silence from the folks at Liberty
University in nearby VA, who were heavily invested in this from the beginning
but realized that the so called ark up there on the mountain was not from the
flood but was wood trucked up there by locals and redeposited in the cave for
the faithful. They are also making a film on this find, their web site announced
that the film will run ca 5 million dollars, (from 'Love offerings) one million
more than the Talpiot tomb of the Jesus family.

As it's in Charlotte maybe some of the folks there in UNC could drop in and give
the list an update on the goings on there.

Joe Zias

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221820#Comment_221820

For the sake of consistency, I feel obligated to note this is NOT language appropriate in my living room. And we've already been through the "TV documentaries" in excruciating details. Can't we just agree to disagree?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221820#Comment_221820

I'm afraid Watt is not to be taken seriously. His claims have been thoroughly debunked. Some of the articles on this, even several from a conservative evangelical Christian perspective:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/06/ron_wyatt_collosal_fraud.php

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/

http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-AGreatChristianScam.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/BaumgardnerLetter.html

http://www.fni.com/cim/reports/wyatt.txt

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/526.asp

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221824#Comment_221824

I'm afraid Watt is not to be taken seriously.

I agree - and your resource addresses are useful. However, I don't think ridiculing or debunking the OP's understanding is any more appropriate for archeology than for theology.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221833#Comment_221833

I agree - and your resource addresses are
useful. However, I don't think ridiculing or debunking the OP's
understanding is any more appropriate for archeology than for
theology.

I'm not trying to ridicule the OP's
ideas. Just letting him know that this person has been revealed to be a
bit of a fraud so he might want to be careful about trusting what the
guy has done in the 70's. He seems to have taken advantage of a lot of
people for monetary gain. I apologize if my joining George in pointing
some of that out was perceived as judging the original poster's
position. Cory and everyone have a right to their positions. It would be
quite something if Noah's Ark were really found. I'm not saying it never
could happen, nor am I saying anything one way or the other about what archaeology does or doesn't do to bolster the historicity of Gen 6-8. For those who believe in the ark's location having been found
and for whom that's a big part of their faith, I do not mean to take
that away from you. Sorry if I came across that way.

I used to get very excited whenever some archaeological find seemed to confirm my faith. I no longer need that, but I don't pooh-pooh all biblical archaeology in general. It's just that there are some people doing it who have more integrity than others. And we should all beware of scammers, whether it be in email or otherwise. I do understand that there are some people who feel Watt's reputation has been unfairly tarnished and who are still maintaining his website and propagating his side of the story, and they all have a right to their opinions, too.

Greg B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221833#Comment_221833

I'm afraid Watt is not to be taken seriously.

I agree - and your resource addresses are useful. However, I don't think ridiculing or debunking the OP's understanding is any more appropriate for archeology than for theology.

I would agree with your point about ridicule, but the I think the "debunking" was perfectly appropriate in this situation.

The original poster was the one making an assertion that there was no room for disagreement and sounds like he is adopting a belittling tone to other points of view in the process.

really there's no way it's not naoh's [sic] ark... anywho just wondering where they get there info from!!)

. It could be that his statements were made with complete ignorance of the other information out there. If that was the case, then Rosie's post was a very useful act of loving kindness. If he knew this other information was out there, then an exception should have been taken with his post from the outset. If there was something inappropriate about Rosie's response, it would only be because the original post was not flagged.

I realize that the point is that the threads don' t turn into debates about Calvinism, Catholicism, millennial views, &c. If this topic falls into that type of category then the original poster should have been asked to "cease & desist" from the outset.

I always appreciate the amount of work you do here at the site and one such as this gains great value from an able moderator such as yourself.

Greg

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221844#Comment_221844

Just letting him know that this person has been revealed to be a
bit of a fraud so he might want to be careful about trusting what the
guy has done in the 70's. He seems to have taken advantage of a lot of
people for monetary gain.

I do understand your point and agree up to a point. The problem for me was that when I considered debunking a fraudulent archeologist, I could not see a difference between that and debunking a fraudulent evangelist. In order to maintain fairness, if I would call someone on debunking an evangelist, I believed I had to do so on an archeologist. Perhaps my position is more easily seen by substituting "young earth proponent" for "archeologist" or, my personal favorite "young language proponent" (of which I've had the good fortunate of running into a single example [:)])

The difference is in the wording - saying that Wyatt is not to be taken seriously or that he is fraudulent is different than saying that most/many people question his work and here are resources saying why. The latter offers the OP the means to change his perspective; the former implies that the OP has been duped or has questionable reasoning skills.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/221873#Comment_221873

I always appreciate the amount of work you do here at the site and one such as this gains great value from an able moderator such as yourself.

Thank you.